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The Problem with Viva la Vida

Discussion in 'Viva la Vida (song)' started by TimeIsOnYourSide, May 7, 2008.

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  1. TimeIsOnYourSide

    By:TimeIsOnYourSideMay 7, 2008
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    Before I make my case let me make a few things clear. First, I think this is a great song in many different ways. The lyrics are beautiful; perhaps some of the best work we have seen come from Chris. I think we can say that about all three songs we’ve heard so far. Viva la Vida is the same way…the lyrics are wonderful. Secondly, the song is truly beautiful. Its musical intricacies are pleasant to the ear and the melodic highs compliment the depth and brevity of the lyrics.

    However, this is where I’m hitting a wall: This song just doesn’t sound like Coldplay. I understand the ideas of band evolution and maybe changing their sound a bit, but this is a very very different direction (not quite sure how to classify this). Honestly, I feel like I’m listening to the first single from the new Christ Martin/Brian Eno album that’s coming out July 1st. There are a few factors that go along with this. Most of this song is either orchestra or synth driven. There is only one spot about three quarters of the way through were I hear a piano (maybe a synth?). Now I’m not a purist. I love electronic music, I love different elements of music, but guys….we’re talking about coldplay. Where is Guy’s sexy bass line? Where is Will’s brilliance of beats? Is Jon even in this song? Now I understand that there have been several coldplay songs where it’s just Chris (I bloom…Parachutes…See you soon sort of) and I don’t have problems with these because they still sound VERY Coldplay…you can tell that all 4 of them have had a hand in the writing/producing/directing/recording. Viva just doesn’t sound that way to me. I am afraid that they will lose that unique and distinctive element that makes them coldplay…from the powerful and soring bridge of Politik, to the melodic chorus of Don’t panic, to the beautiful reassurance of all four of them singing “I promise you I will learn from my mistakes…” This is coldplay.

    Now don’t kill me yet and say you’ll hate me and never talk to me again. I love Coldplay immensely. I also will admit that I haven’t heard what songs are coming before and after on the album. The preceding song may be very dark and present a brilliant contrast with Viva la Vida.

    Again, this is only my preliminary feeling. I just felt that I needed to communicate this somehow and get it off my chest.
    Viva la Coldplay



    god i feel better. I love you all...so be sweet.
     
  2. the_escapist

    By:the_escapistMay 7, 2008
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    you're right - it's a completely new different thing - but what the hell!?

    do you like it or not? 'cause i think it's incredible!
     
  3. johnnymax865

    By:johnnymax865May 7, 2008
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    it's not the old coldplay anymore and we could feel a bit nostalgic... that's true,
    but first of all they said the first 3 albums are a complete trilogy and they just want to change from that..
    secondly they can't repeat themselves another time and I'm happy for that personally... their talent is big enough to do something different that remains great anyway

    viva la vida is their best achieve IMO

    VIVA LA COLDPLAY!
     
  4. thinker

    By:thinkerMay 7, 2008
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    you are right. but you are wrong at the same time.
    yes, it doesn't sound a lot like the Coldplay we know.
    but that is not a problem. it's the best thing that could happen to them! :)
     
  5. gus

    By:gusMay 7, 2008
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    its an awesome song, yep its different but i wonder how this song is gonna be played live. and youre wrong there are other instruments in this song who is gonna played it?. and wait for the live version.
     
  6. yes!

    By:yes!May 7, 2008
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    though i didnt hear vlv yet cause it didnt work for me, i must admit you say what i think. almost. i go one step further: coldplay is betraying themselves when they work together with such an old man like eno is. no question, he has his expierience but for my ears he is trying to push them into another direction which was successful to him, mr. eno. now we got the result, our fab four sound like u2, genesis, brian ferry and maybe somehow like roxy music. not like coldplay and not new at ALL.
    coldplay created one of the most sold records in this world, without eno and i think there is no need to them to completly change their direction because the old master thinks so. he - mr. eno sureley doesnt know EVERYTHING, does he?
    but i also think its mr. martins fault cause he is always so f***ing insecure though he is f****ing succsessful at the same time without f***ing realizing it but f***ing doubting it all the time.
    mr. eno has his experience and coldplay are MAKING theirs - or at least they should.

    this is what i think. now abandon me or love me, whatever you want...:p
     
  7. Chavi

    By:ChaviMay 7, 2008
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    I'm going to kill you, I hate you and I will never talk to you again ! :p


    maybe after a few listens it'll grow in you. and when you'll hear it along with the other songs of the album, it'll just fit and you'll find no problem with VLV anymore.
     
  8. TimeIsOnYourSide

    By:TimeIsOnYourSideMay 7, 2008
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    thank you for being kind :)


    I understand the first three albums being a trilogy and thats great. I also understand the desire/need to change their sound a bit, which I think was accomplished brilliantly with Violet Hill (which I love).

    and escapist...it is growing on me as a beautiful song.

    dont worry folks...I'll get over my cynicism one day
     
  9. TimeIsOnYourSide

    By:TimeIsOnYourSideMay 7, 2008
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    no pleasee..... i beg of you.....:wink3:
     
  10. Open-Politik

    By:Open-PolitikMay 7, 2008
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    THE ESCAPIST wait.....youve heared that!!!
     
  11. johnnymax865

    By:johnnymax865May 7, 2008
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    you heard escapist??
     
  12. TimeIsOnYourSide

    By:TimeIsOnYourSideMay 7, 2008
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    my apologies. I was speaking to the member: "the_escapist"...responding to his question if I liked VLV

    no I haven't heard it (the song escapist)...ahah you think I wouldn't share it with all you fine people? :tongue:
     
  13. Lore

    By:LoreMay 7, 2008
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    it's different.. but in a great way...!
     
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    By:shipoffoolsMay 7, 2008
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    I disagree, it still has a Coldplay sound and feel, especially the chorus.
     
  15. Fixed

    By:FixedMay 7, 2008
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    I must admit that I kept waiting for a proper drum pattern from Will to emerge, and to hear some guitar solo or some funky bass line, but the song still works amazingly well. They know what they're doing, and it will have had each member's stamp of approval and their own input. If they're happy then that's what matters :)
     
  16. TimeIsOnYourSide

    By:TimeIsOnYourSideMay 7, 2008
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    ^^ agreed. And thats whats keeping me hopeful/happy/alive and well :laugh1:
     
  17. melanieau

    By:melanieauMay 7, 2008
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    Alright, Jon, I get you. I see where you are coming from.

    I am loving it but the first listen I definitely wasn't sure if I liked it. Just like with VH and ASARY it took me a good 5 listens before I thought - damn these are good.

    Now I agree, their sound seems very different, but I'm trying to let it wash over me and realize that this is where our boys need to go with their music.


    That is all.:)
     
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    By:RunForTheHillsMay 7, 2008
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    Yeah, I kept anticipating an X&Y style Jonny riff to kick in towards the end, but I think it works very well the way it is. I think if it was done without all the strings, but with all the familiar instruments, it would sound very much like the 'old' Coldplay - thats because the tune its self is still very much Coldplay. Interestingly though, even though the instruments used in Violet Hill are much closer to the default Coldplay set up, the tune itself is not really one that I would expect the band to come up with. I just find it interesting at how they are finding all these new ways of mixing up their sound... they're really pushing themselves forward.

    And bear in mind, this is probably the only song like this on the album, as each one will be different from the other. I mean, knowing that Violet Hill comes straight after this song, it really does show the diversity on the album. And I quote: "There's something for everyone on this album".
     
  20. TimeIsOnYourSide

    By:TimeIsOnYourSideMay 7, 2008
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    excellent point...thanks zemy