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The Problem with Viva la Vida

letdown

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disappointed with violet hill, but i like VLV. i love when chris martin goes on about missionaries and st. peter and pillars of salt and whatever the hell. why so many biblical references? what is this song about??
 

TimeIsOnYourSide

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I cannot wait to hear lost (or the rest of the album for that matter)

but lost sounds like true classic CP...can't wait.
 

ricardo

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Hey Time.

I agree and I disagree.

I think you have touched on important issues with the new material.

I agree when you say it seems alot like it's JUST chris.
and not like coldplay

but I disagree because if will, jon and Guy didn't like/love/have a hand in/ appreciate the music then it wouldn't be on the album. and we all know will loves to say 'no!' :laugh3:
Well said :thumbsup:....
This songs reminds me a lot about jesus, if it would not said that line of Saint Peter I would bet it is about Jesus, but now, I have to set up the ideas, maybe about a hero and I love the lyrics, the music... everything
 

psychedelic_punk

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Yeah I'm worried, man, I really don't click with Viva La Vida at all, I really don't like it, and I've tried to re-listen 5 times (or 6?), & it's just not my thing, but I'm in love with Violet Hill, that's my scene. VLV is just too synthy for me I think, & I do like some electronica & some 80's stuff, but not this. But it's promising, all the same, that Violet Hill is there right after, so it must be a really complex album, & at least worth a good listen. I like the idea of it being traditionally artistic like that, experimental, with a bit of everything, but I like what I'm a bit familiar with as well, at least if it's vaguelly grounded in the band's roots. Like Radiohead's In Rainbows, or Muse's BH&R; I loved loved loved their new stuff.
Still, it's weird everyone else sees it the other way around w. VLV as "wonderful" and "tear-inducing", and VH as basically rubbish...
:stunned::shocked2:
Coldplay's stuff usually goes BANG on the first listen... But then again there were some small bits of the afore mentioned bands' latest albums that took AGES to grow on me, & now it's all good.
Blablabla...
 

CookyMnstr

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I like the idea of it being traditionally artistic like that, experimental, with a bit of everything, but I like what I'm a bit familiar with as well, at least if it's vaguelly grounded in the band's roots
Wow, I'm so glad I read that 'cause I totally agree with you. I keep reading how VLV seems to be so much more liked than VH, when for me, it's the opposite. Though both are different from the "traditional" Coldplay sound, in VH i feel a familiarity, maybe due to the presence of the piano??? While in VLV there's too much difference from the sound I love from Coldplay. Also I'm more a fan of guitars (love Jonny's solo in VH)...
 

nothingtoseehere

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OMG, dont kill me, but do you know what this song sounds like? It sounds like something Enya would come up with! Which isnt a bad thing, I love Enya. It's Enya with more oomph.


*hides behind sofa*
 

bresc

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Hey Time.

I agree when you say it seems alot like it's JUST chris.
and not like coldplay

but I disagree because if will, jon and Guy didn't like/love/have a hand in/ appreciate the music then it wouldn't be on the album. and we all know will loves to say 'no!' :laugh3:
:D
agreed. just because they're not playing the instruments we traditionally associate with each of them or not playing them in the same way doesn't mean it's all chris. they are probably playing other instruments that we are yet to identify - take till kingdom come as an example - chris on guitar, will on keyboard, guy on harmonica....

the absence of heaving drumming and sexy bassline is obviously deliberate (or they wouldn't have done it). they're clearly trying to create an atmosphere that would be disturbed by those elements. but notice the contrast with vh where will and guy really do take centre stage in the song... its almost all drum and bassline, which suits the mood of that song... so i don't agree that they're being left out of the album or taking a backseat to chris (any more than usual at least! :p)
 

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OMG, dont kill me, but do you know what this song sounds like? It sounds like something Enya would come up with! Which isnt a bad thing, I love Enya. It's Enya with more oomph.


*hides behind sofa*
i can see a slight enya resemblance.... however have you ever heard of imogen heap? i definitely think it has traces of her production style mixed in it, especially with the big sweeps of kettle drums and strings & synths, etc
 

riceoroni87

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Guitar? Jon?

Where is Guy’s sexy bass line? Where is Will’s brilliance of beats? Is Jon even in this song?

I agree that this is a drastic change, but I like this new direction and believe that they still sound like Coldplay. They are just expanding their available instrumentation, there is nothing wrong with that.

I think there is guitar, though, in the background at 0:28 and 1:38. It's just been run through Johnny's "new toys". You can hear distortion, reverb, and bent notes! B-)
 

Hotplay007

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It had to grow on me to understand how awesome it really is. I mean, REALLY HAVE TO GROW on me. I use to be pretty bad on here about my nostalgia but now I feel that this a turn for the better.

At times, I wanted to just want to cry because it wasn't Coldplay. Well, I had to realize, this is Coldplay, just... in a evolutionary form. I said that before, "Where is Guy and Will?" I hear that. I wondered that myself. But, just, wait and make a final judgment when the album actually comes out. That's the best advice I can give.
 

TimeIsOnYourSide

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Well hopefully you guys don't think i'm totally crazy. I do really like the song in general. I just really need to hear the whole album.
 

Bequinta

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It's good that they changed their sound. Chris Martin actually said something in an interview along the lines of: "Well we can't get much bigger so we tried to get better. And even if its shit, at least its different." As for what its played with there are no synths I believe from what I can tell ; and I'm an expert on the song. I have listened to it 234 times and I'm going to play it for my church's talent show with my friend and two keyboards so I have actually been studying it :) It consists of strings, bass guitar, drums, and some kind of high pitch chimes he plays after the second chorus. I could be wrong but what I can't figure out is what Jonny is doing on a keyboard the whole song.
 

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I think there's a harpsichord in the link between the first chorus and "It was a wicked and wild wind". There's also piano around when Chris sings, "Revolutionaries wait for my head on a silver plate".
 

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Viva La Vida is my favourite coldplay song of all............ I'm very addicted to it
 

YellowYou

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I dont care if it sounds diffrent then Coldplay usally sounds like, I LOVE IT!
 

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Bump

I found it interesting to revisit this thread, now in retrospect. Of particular interest -- the thought that this was Chris's evolution (when we now know he was actually banned from the studio so the other guys could add their stamp). And the question of whether they could pull off this new sound in concert (didn't seem to be a problem ;) ). And whether VLV could support big sing-alongs. It's been a fun 1.5 years and I'm really excited for #5.
 
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