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Will Ghost Stories be the bands flop album?

Bazza101

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i'm starting to think that the older they get, their willingness to be part of the mainstream radios becomes more ridiculous
I think they just feel like they have to evolve with the music trends to be honest, also the fact Brian Eno isn't producing for them is something to think about.
 

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so you'll be okay in 10 years to be a fan of four 50 years old people playing dubstep music and talking about getting laid in miami or wathever will be succesful
 

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i'm starting to think that the older they get, their willingness to be part of the mainstream radios becomes more ridiculous
there's nothing wrong with being mainstream as long as the songs that they put out are of quality. there's really nothing wrong with being POP in my opinion as long as it is done right.

whether or not ASFOS is a good POP song is another debate and we wil have to wait and see before we make any conclusions
 

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To bazza, Sparky and ihaveabono: When MX was released it went to number one in 43 countries.

In Denmark it only went to number 2 (because it was released in the same week as Denmark's most popular artist whose album was number one for weeks and 2011's top-selling album). After Coldplay's concert in Copenhagen on 28.8.12 MX returned to the charts and went to number 2 for one week (so 2 weeks at number 2 in Denmark when peaking). But it is correct - the album soon dropped in the charts and only had one major hit in Paradise. Paradise was one of the most played videos on VH1 Denmark in 2012 (and played a lot at the end of 2011 competing with Christmas Lights in December).

I think that Ghost Stories will be huge in the countries where the band had these intimate concerts. But I fear that it might be a failure in Denmark. Why? Because in Denmark not much has been written about the upcoming album or its release date. So I fear for its success here. Only Magic has been played on the radio and I have only seen it once on the TV (MTV Denmark) - not in VH1 Denmark. I looked at the Danish chart and it said that Magic peaked at no. 5. Midnight and Atlas were not played / the videos not shown at all. So risk of failure / flop in Denmark.

And I can tell you that Chris' and Gwyn's separation was hardly mentioned in Danish media (only in a few and then only in max. 5 lines). I also checked Swedish and Norwegian text-TV in these days (nothing - referring to SVT Text and NRK News).

So maybe failure in Denmark - I hope that I am proven wrong. Time will show.
 

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so you'll be okay in 10 years to be a fan of four 50 years old people playing dubstep music and talking about getting laid in miami or wathever will be succesful
am i living under a rock? really? coldplay has a song about getting laid in miami or whatever city?
 

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Over the past 2 years, There has been a number of very significant bands to climb up the charts. For example Arctic Monkeys had monumental success with "AM" last year and Vampire Weekend had the album of their careers. Seeing "Magic" get released with much uncertainty has brought the question , are they slipping from their highest of heights?

Commercially speaking Coldplay reached their peak with AROBTTH and have had declining success from there. That said, I'm not really seeing the uncertainty you speak of. Magic has gotten a stronger reaction both critically and from the fanbase than anything released in the MX era and arguably anything from VLVODAAHF as well. It also charted higher in the US and UK than their last 3 singles (the final two from MX plus Atlas) so I don't think the single's success is all that "off".

Will Ghost stories be the band's most successful album? Probably not, but they've reached a point in their career where they'll always be a massive band regardless of how their new material does. (Though I think it's almost certain to be at least moderately successful)
 

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so you'll be okay in 10 years to be a fan of four 50 years old people playing dubstep music and talking about getting laid in miami or wathever will be succesful
By then, Coldplay won't be in the mainstream and they'll be forced to either retire or go back to alt rock for their hardcore fans.
 

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am i living under a rock? really? coldplay has a song about getting laid in miami or whatever city?
I'm just saying, after a certain age it becomes corny and ridiculous to follow whatever it's cool on radio, it' becomes a little bit sad
 

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By then, Coldplay won't be in the mainstream and they'll be forced to either retire or go back to alt rock for their hardcore fans.
I think they wont be okay with doing alt rock again just because we want it, i have a bad feeling that when they'll all be 50 years old they'll retire
 

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Exactly, it seems as if they knew Magic would do this well in the US and especially Australia, which can make a second single look even better if it's good enough. But the reason why i liked Coldplay originally was that they were a very very good alt rock band around 5-10 years ago, it seems as if they just want all the fame. Ghost Stories is a risk being that fans might think it's different but Coldplay know it will do well in the charts because it's more electric. This also makes me feel that they didn't want to risk doing something completely wild like a guitar driven album which i personally would love. Ghost Stories will no doubt be successful but will it stay in the charts as long as their previous albums did? Only good reviews make that happen.
Reviews don't really mean much at all when it comes to commercial success. Certainly not with Coldplay, their last two albums have had mixed reviews.

As with any form of art, the most artistically acclaimed work is rarely the most commercially successful.

That said, I think a lot of the stuff on this album seems more eclectic and risky than anything they've done in a long time (if ever). I honestly don't see how anyone could listen to Midnight and come to the conclusion that it was created with any sort of commercial appeal in mind.
 

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Commercially speaking Coldplay reached their peak with AROBTTH and have had declining success from there. That said, I'm not really seeing the uncertainty you speak of. Magic has gotten a stronger reaction both critically and from the fanbase than anything released in the MX era and arguably anything from VLVODAAHF as well. It also charted higher in the US and UK than their last 3 singles (the final two from MX plus Atlas) so I don't think the single's success is all that "off".

Will Ghost stories be the band's most successful album? Probably not, but they've reached a point in their career where they'll always be a massive band regardless of how their new material does. (Though I think it's almost certain to be at least moderately successful)

your right, but we need to put that in perspective. their decline in sales is primarily a result of the overall decline of album sales in the past few years. back in the early 2000s album sales are still very healthy, but starting 2007 until now album sales have been declining drastically. but even with the overall declining music market, coldplay has been selling really well. there are some exceptiosn to the rule though like Adele's 21, taylor's RED etc. but the reason for this is that those albums are their MAGNUM OPUS. Coldplay's MAGNUM OPUS, is arguably ARBTHH. (and VIVA if u ask me)
 

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Reviews don't really mean much at all when it comes to commercial success. Certainly not with Coldplay, their last two albums have had mixed reviews.

As with any form of art, the most artistically acclaimed work is rarely the most commercially successful.

That said, I think a lot of the stuff on this album seems more eclectic and risky than anything they've done in a long time (if ever). I honestly don't see how anyone could listen to Midnight and come to the conclusion that it was created with any sort of commercial appeal in mind.
only MX can be said to have mixed reviews. to be fair, MX had a mixed to positive review.
Viva la Vida is both a COMMERCIAL and CRITICAL success. It was one of the critics's choices as the best album of 2008.
 

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so you'll be okay in 10 years to be a fan of four 50 years old people playing dubstep music and talking about getting laid in miami or wathever will be succesful
Except they're not really doing that. They've always been a pop rock band. Yellow is the definition of a classic guitar pop song. Sure the band have collaborated with pop artists over the years, but I don't think it's for cynical reasons. The band, and especially Chris have always been genuinely drawn to that sort of music.

Bottom line, they'll make what they want to make for the reasons they want to make it, but I don't think there's much objective evidence that maximizing commercial success is now or has ever been at the top of their priorities list.
 

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I'm just saying, after a certain age it becomes corny and ridiculous to follow whatever it's cool on radio, it' becomes a little bit sad
well QUEEN did that when they did ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST in the 80s lol. its still a bop today, haha :D
 

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only MX can be said to have mixed reviews. to be fair, MX had a mixed to positive review.
Viva la Vida is both a COMMERCIAL and CRITICAL success. It was one of the critics's choices as the best album of 2008.
According to Meta Critic (which aggregates reviews to provide a statistical consensus) MX scored a 65/100 while VLV got a 72/100, higher but still low enough to be considered mixed. That doesn't mean that it didn't get it's share of very favorable reviews, just that it also got a sizable number of negative ones as well.
 

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your right, but we need to put that in perspective. their decline in sales is primarily a result of the overall decline of album sales in the past few years. back in the early 2000s album sales are still very healthy, but starting 2007 until now album sales have been declining drastically. but even with the overall declining music market, coldplay has been selling really well. there are some exceptiosn to the rule though like Adele's 21, taylor's RED etc. but the reason for this is that those albums are their MAGNUM OPUS. Coldplay's MAGNUM OPUS, is arguably ARBTHH. (and VIVA if u ask me)
I'm not saying it has all to do with artistic quality. Only that if you're talking about diminishing commercial returns, Coldplay has been on that path already for a decade. MX is their lowest selling album since Parachutes, it doesn't really matter why for the purposes of this discussion.
 

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I think they wont be okay with doing alt rock again just because we want it, i have a bad feeling that when they'll all be 50 years old they'll retire
Frankly, given that they can't seem to please people no matter what they do, I think they may just go that route when they finally get bored or the constant sniping gets to them enough. For years, literally years, I've heard people say they wanted them to go back to their earlier sound and this new material is objectively (in structure, orchestration, instrumentation etc.) closer to that than anything they've done since 2002 and yet people still complain. I'm not saying anyone has to like it, but at least recognize it's an attempt to move in the direction people said they wanted, even if you feel it's not a particularly good one.
 

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According to Meta Critic (which aggregates reviews to provide a statistical consensus) MX scored a 65/100 while VLV got a 72/100, higher but still low enough to be considered mixed. That doesn't mean that it didn't get it's share of very favorable reviews, just that it also got a sizable number of negative ones as well.
72 percent is just 8 points shy of what A RUSH got(which is 80). MIXED review is 50%-60%.
Mixed to POSITIVE is 65%. and anything above 70% is POSITIVE. anything above 80 is CRITICALLY ACCLAIMED.

and viva la vida is critically successful since most music crtiics have put that album in the top 10 of the best albums of 2008. most of them put it as the top album of 2008. and most retrospective critic reviews have placed the albunm as one of the best albums of the past decade.
 

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No offense, but have you listened to Oceans, AIMH, or Another's Arms? All three of those songs are guitar based or piano based. I don't disagree with you about going back to a less electronic approach, but they hardly have been "synthesizing everything." You might have been able to make that arguement for MX, but not GS. Jonny has some amazing riffs in this album FYI. GS might have some problems (lyrics for one), but synths is hardly a problem. Also, keep in mind that Ink, True Love, and O are all non electronic songs if what the people who've heard them are correct.
First of all, Jonny plays a lot of those synths, so he is doing something. Second, much of what people are hearing as synths/electronic sounds are in fact guitar parts made through the use of slide playing combined with E-Bow and other effects. This was an element of his playing that was very prominant in the AROBTTH era, and he has only recently really taken up again since Atlas.
 

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I'm not saying it has all to do with artistic quality. Only that if you're talking about diminishing commercial returns, Coldplay has been on that path already for a decade. MX is their lowest selling album since Parachutes, it doesn't really matter why for the purposes of this discussion.
my point is, the diminishing commercial returns is not coldplay;s fault but as the result of an overall decline in the music market. its much like in economics, where inflation or deflation are taken into consideration. the point is MX, in relation to the overall decline of album sales over the past few years, is considered a success. We should limit ourselves in comparing album sales in ABSOLUTE TERMS and start considering factors like the declining music market, people preferring to buy singles more than albums, and a lot of other factors.
 
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