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Will Ghost Stories be the bands flop album?

fakfak

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72 percent is just 8 points shy of what A RUSH got(which is 80). MIXED review is 50%-60%.
Mixed to POSITIVE is 65%. and anything above 70% is POSITIVE. anything above 80 is CRITICALLY ACCLAIMED.
Fair enough. The point is VLV was at least a bit polarizing with some people not being overly fond of it's baroque pop aestetic (I'm not one of them, I rather enjoy most of it.)
 

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my point is, the diminishing commercial returns is not coldplay;s fault but as the result of an overall decline in the music market. its much like in economics, where inflation or deflation are taken into consideration. the point is MX, in relation to the overall decline of album sales over the past few years, is considered a success. We should limit ourselves in comparing album sales in ABSOLUTE TERMS and start considering factors like the declining music market, people preferring to buy singles more than albums, and a lot of other factors.
Of course, I never meant to imply it was their fault. I'm just saying that in any discussion of how successful Ghost Stories is likely to be, the important thing is how previous releases have been trending, not why the trend is what it is. Coldplay have never released an album that can't reasonably be considered a commercial success.
 

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Fair enough. The point is VLV was at least a bit polarizing with some people not being overly fond of it's baroque pop aestetic (I'm not one of them, I rather enjoy most of it.)
i think viva la vida the album was not polarizing. i think there is a perception that viva was a polariaizing album because its a coldplay album. Its Coldplay the band that is polarizing.

even those critics that have traditionally slagged off and dismissed coldplay as a joke praised viva la vida, but not by much, it feels like they were forced to give it a favorable review just becaise of the fact that its that good and they cant accept the fact that it was done by coldplay. critics have their biases thats why historically coldplay has been underrated in tersm of their albums
 

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This has to be one of my all time favorites threads. It is so refreshing to talk something deeper than usual about the band we all love. Having said that, I think that Ghost Stories will be another amazing album. I see a band that has understood that probably the most important thing when setting out to record an album is to try to reinvent themselves and their music while maintaining their style. And I believe that they have been incredibly successful at it. Here are four lads who have truly taken a certain degree of risk on each album with considerable excellent results each time. Yes, there will always be a group who is melancholic about the Parachutes era, while hating the more poppy Mylo Xyloto era. However, in my view, the boys have always deliver amazing songs regardless of the era. I concur that ETIAW, Princess of China and Paradise might not be the idea songs for many of us, but what about Hurts Like Heaven, Charlie Brown or Up With The Birds? Will never now if they do it deliberately just to sell more albums but I think that a huge part of their success has come from the fact that they always have a GREAT song to please either the poppy or parachutsy fans. Ghost Stories will be another GREAT album and I highly doubt that it will be a flop album. They have taken a huge risk doing a more stripped back album and already we can see that with very god results. This era simply confirms that they are here for the music and not the sales and that they will always have something to offer for listeners of different spectrums. Cheers.
 

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This has to be one of my all time favorites threads. It is so refreshing to talk something deeper than usual about the band we all love. Having said that, I think that Ghost Stories will be another amazing album. I see a band that has understood that probably the most important thing when setting out to record an album is to try to reinvent themselves and their music while maintaining their style. And I believe that they have been incredibly successful at it. Here are four lads who have truly taken a certain degree of risk on each album with considerable excellent results each time. Yes, there will always be a group who is melancholic about the Parachutes era, while hating the more poppy Mylo Xyloto era. However, in my view, the boys have always deliver amazing songs regardless of the era. I concur that ETIAW, Princess of China and Paradise might not be the idea songs for many of us, but what about Hurts Like Heaven, Charlie Brown or Up With The Birds? Will never now if they do it deliberately just to sell more albums but I think that a huge part of their success has come from the fact that they always have a GREAT song to please either the poppy or parachutsy fans. Ghost Stories will be another GREAT album and I highly doubt that it will be a flop album. They have taken a huge risk doing a more stripped back album and already we can see that with very god results. This era simply confirms that they are here for the music and not the sales and that they will always have something to offer for listeners of different spectrums. Cheers.
well said, cimpletely agree with everything u said. cheers :)
 

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This has to be one of my all time favorites threads. It is so refreshing to talk something deeper than usual about the band we all love. Having said that, I think that Ghost Stories will be another amazing album. I see a band that has understood that probably the most important thing when setting out to record an album is to try to reinvent themselves and their music while maintaining their style. And I believe that they have been incredibly successful at it. Here are four lads who have truly taken a certain degree of risk on each album with considerable excellent results each time. Yes, there will always be a group who is melancholic about the Parachutes era, while hating the more poppy Mylo Xyloto era. However, in my view, the boys have always deliver amazing songs regardless of the era. I concur that ETIAW, Princess of China and Paradise might not be the idea songs for many of us, but what about Hurts Like Heaven, Charlie Brown or Up With The Birds? Will never now if they do it deliberately just to sell more albums but I think that a huge part of their success has come from the fact that they always have a GREAT song to please either the poppy or parachutsy fans. Ghost Stories will be another GREAT album and I highly doubt that it will be a flop album. They have taken a huge risk doing a more stripped back album and already we can see that with very god results. This era simply confirms that they are here for the music and not the sales and that they will always have something to offer for listeners of different spectrums. Cheers.
To Be Honest , i feel that the Parachutes era group has expanded. Simply due to one reason. Rock being overshadowed by EDM. This in my opinion has made older Coldplay fans more thirsty for a rock record. Maybe even newer fans as well because i think that so many people dislike the music scene. Rock albums do amazing these days. As i said at the start of this thread, Arctic Monkeys and Vampire Weekend are some examples. So are Haim, Two Door Cinema Club and The 1975. All these artists were very successful and i feel that it's due to society being drowned out in EDM. Unfortunately Coldplay have taken this part which is making me refer to Coldplay as a pop band now instead of an alt rock band.
 

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the problem with the artists above are that:

HAIM, TDCC, The 1975 have release their debut album/second album, they still have plenty of time to get bored of doing just alt rock
Arctic Monkeys are just four elitist people that still think "rock n roll is about sunglasses and leather jacket", and guitars are the only real instruments in the world
Vampire Weekends it's the only decent example, they changed their style since their debut album, but are you sure they are at the same level coldplay were at their third album? Not, they are not famous, A-Punk and Diane Young are their only real hits out of three albums
 

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i heard a better quality version of ASFOS, i hear guitars and piano. there are parts that are JOSHUA TREE-ish. its not overly EDM actually. its my opinion though, dont hate me, lol :D

but i do understand why some people here Rihanna's we found love, hahaha

its a critically better ETIAW

the electric guitar parts are more prominent
 

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the problem with the artists above are that:

HAIM, TDCC, The 1975 have release their debut album/second album, they still have plenty of time to get bored of doing just alt rock
Arctic Monkeys are just four elitist people that still think "rock n roll is about sunglasses and leather jacket", and guitars are the only real instruments in the world
Vampire Weekends it's the only decent example, they changed their style since their debut album, but are you sure they are at the same level coldplay were at their third album? Not, they are not famous, A-Punk and Diane Young are their only real hits out of three albums
Yeah i have to agree with you there. They are all very young and bright bands. Vampire weekend done exactly what Coldplay has done with their first 3 because i have recalled Ezra saying that the 3 albums they have produced is trilogy like. Chris had said exactly the same thing. But MVOTC was way better than X&Y in my opinion. Many people believe the Arctic Monkeys have taken the face of alt rock away from Coldplay in the UK as well.
 

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lol if arctic monkeys continue to have that attitude for the rest of their lives people will end up hating them
vampire weekend it's a strange band, i love them, and yes their last album was fucking awesome
 

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the problem with the artists above are that:

HAIM, TDCC, The 1975 have release their debut album/second album, they still have plenty of time to get bored of doing just alt rock
Arctic Monkeys are just four elitist people that still think "rock n roll is about sunglasses and leather jacket", and guitars are the only real instruments in the world
Vampire Weekends it's the only decent example, they changed their style since their debut album, but are you sure they are at the same level coldplay were at their third album? Not, they are not famous, A-Punk and Diane Young are their only real hits out of three albums
I don't really get an elitist vibe from any of the guys in Arctic Monkeys, rather just the sense that they intend to keep plowing ahead with guitar music because that's what they like.

That said, there's no way Arctic Monkeys is or will ever be as prominent a band as Coldplay is. They have a tiny fraction of the global footprint Coldplay does, especially outside the UK. The thing is Coldplay are now a band in their mid to late 30's, they're not young and hip and can never be again, they're pretty much firmly in the elder statesmen bracket by now.
 

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Lol more that once Alex Turner bashed all other genres always stating that rock is the only real music, if that's not elitist i don't know what it is, i like their music and i saw/read a lot of interviews and he always finds time to bash other musicians, and he's not even funny
 

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i heard a better quality version of ASFOS, i hear guitars and piano. there are parts that are JOSHUA TREE-ish. its not overly EDM actually. its my opinion though, dont hate me, lol :D

but i do understand why some people here Rihanna's we found love, hahaha

its a critically better ETIAW

the electric guitar parts are more prominent
WHERE DID U HEAR IT *getting ready to set the wolves after you :D
 

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Lol more that once Alex Turner bashed all other genres always stating that rock is the only real music, if that's not elitist i don't know what it is, i like their music and i saw/read a lot of interviews and he always finds time to bash other musicians, and he's not even funny
What you read as bashing, I read as them simply stating they don't really care for any other type of music. They do tend to be very critical of certain other artists, but it always seems to be more about how they operate than about the actual music.
 

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i think viva la vida the album was not polarizing. i think there is a perception that viva was a polariaizing album because its a coldplay album. Its Coldplay the band that is polarizing.

even those critics that have traditionally slagged off and dismissed coldplay as a joke praised viva la vida, but not by much, it feels like they were forced to give it a favorable review just becaise of the fact that its that good and they cant accept the fact that it was done by coldplay. critics have their biases thats why historically coldplay has been underrated in tersm of their albums
Bravo! You hit the nail right there! Just read pitchforks review for example. You'll think the rating would be positive if you read the critique essay only, but they give it a 6.9 somehow.
 

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i think viva la vida the album was not polarizing. i think there is a perception that viva was a polariaizing album because its a coldplay album. Its Coldplay the band that is polarizing.

even those critics that have traditionally slagged off and dismissed coldplay as a joke praised viva la vida, but not by much, it feels like they were forced to give it a favorable review just becaise of the fact that its that good and they cant accept the fact that it was done by coldplay. critics have their biases thats why historically coldplay has been underrated in tersm of their albums
Bravo! You hit the nail right there! Just read pitchforks review for example. You'll think the rating would be positive if you read the critique essay only, but they give it a 6.9 somehow.
 

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Bravo! You hit the nail right there! Just read pitchforks review for example. You'll think the rating would be positive if you read the critique essay only, but they give it a 6.9 somehow.
6.9 is actually fairly high by Pitchfork standards. :laugh3:
 

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Pls can you research first before making theories or statements about FLOPS or what not unless you have full concrete facts about charts or knowledge?...

Magic is doing well for a first single and to coldplays standards its doing great.. they are not single sellers but album sellers...

and usually their 2nd singles are the hit singles (VLV, Paradise) wait for ASFOS then youll notice the pattern.. I know a lot about music charts and Im telling you magic is doing good.
 
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