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Look it's not that I am that close minded. I am trying. Do you think I like not linking it? I knew Coldplay would never disappoint me but when Ghost Stories came I struggled as much as some people did with MX which I love by the way. I also tried to explain to them why Mylo Xyloto was that good but for the more I tried the more they wouldn't like it and I couldn't understand why.

I guess, in the end we are just expecting too much from them, them to be perfect all the time but we never know one day they will fail with some portion of their fans. I used to see them in that angelical aura of perfection. The aura is now gone and I'm angry because of it.

 

 

I'm not saying you have to like the album, you have the right to be angry at them as I was angry at them when MX came out, I'm making this argument because you have to apologise about what you said about "real instruments". You are disrespecting tons and tons of artists who put their soul in what they do.

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The ignorance in the statement hurts me, because i know you and i know you are a great person but this is just full of bullshit

You don't know the effort people like Jon Hopkins put into their music while using a computer, please watch this and tell me he's not playing an instrument

 

[video=youtube;hHe0nckLiYU]

 

Everything you said in that post is wrong, on so many levels that you didn't even notice how wrong you were, playing a guitar is a lot EASER than playing a computer because you have actual control over the guitar but you don't with the computer so you have to be fucking precise, talented to play it like people like Jon Hopkins do

 

+1000000

 

The fact of a matter is that a guitar wouldn't have been considered a "real" instrument back a hundred years ago before the advent of rock and roll, but times changed as they always do.

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Thank you and I like you very much too, I watched your video, but darling, I am not saying that people that plays computer are not talented. What I said that one have to have talent to play a guitar. What's very different of playing a computer, and no, it's not that easy.

I didn't say also that it's not possible to make good music with computer. What I said is sometimes people can play the computer but they can't play a guitar. What's is more pleasurable of course will depend on taste, that's why some people love Ghost Stories and some don't. It's just that hard as we are trying to tell on this thread to accept the sound we got used have changed.

And what Jon Hopkins does is beautiful but I will never appreciate it as much as I appreciate this:

 

[video=youtube;7lwOFd1RXEA]

i bet he can play super mario theme like a champ

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Ghost Stories just felt a bit empty. But I guess thats the point. Chris is feeling very empty at the moment. Once we get our next album be it an EP or an LP I think we'll get back the full on lyrics and lots of noise. In a good way.

 

Complaints:

- Lyrics were weak (again)

- Didn't use full musical potential

- To many synths for my liking

- Wasn't any stand out anthems

 

Album rating 7.5/10

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I'm going to jump into the real instruments vs pushing down buttons and twisting knobs discussion.

 

I do like Trip hop, electronic music (not the bs you listen in the radio), I'm saying stuff like Yppah, Zero 7, Death in Vegas or Work Drugs. Now, I do understand that you need to be somehow skilled to master knobs, sliders and buttons and to be precise. Now, many electronic bands have mastered this and create something original. Now stating that Jon Hopkins is doing something original and with a "trademark" is being way too wishful. Groove Armada going from duet of djs to complete band, that's how you do it. That's how you get respect from other musicians. Do you think Gigi Dagostino or Tiesto or any of those are respected? Maybe by other DJs. Not by a complete musician or people doing music using 4 instruments for decades.

 

Now, what's the thing? Is Coldplay exploring the "let's do everything with synths and samples" road? Is that a novelty? Is that what fans were waiting for? Like I said, many people will love this album. It's okay. Many people love One Direction and Rihanna. I mean, the concept of "liking" is way subjective and it's way beyond this forum. Our point is, we like rock music, we like rock music played live (not with multiple playback and tracks in the background), we like good rock songs not something created for the media and mainstream to fit radio schedules and teenies' Ipod generation. We wanted a truly Coldplay album that will put Coldplay in the place it deserves: faraway from critics saying that Coldplay is a band for teenies eager to please media and mainstream with awful lyrics. Did they succeded with this album? Nope. The critics and people involved in the rock world mostly will bash and beat this album to death. Were we expecting something more "We're Coldplay and we come again playing our 4 instruments and making songs that make sense for us, we're tired of being a super-mega-band that fits well with vanilla acts like Beyonce."

 

Well mates, this album actually is disappointing. You like it? great. Can Coldplay be in the same level with Radiohead or The Smiths? Not with this album.

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I'm starting to think that you guys can't use your brain

 

you are completely ignoring the production of this album, which is a masterpiece, because your brain can't get over the fact that they are not a rock band anymore

 

get over it

 

 

and by the way, radiohead aren't a rock band anymore too, and they haven't created anything new since OK Computer, you all praise them like they discend from freaking God but they are nothing special, there are bands that have been doing what radiohead does for years and even better but who gives a fuck about them, right?

 

I'm sorry if now i'm coming out as rude but i'm really tired of the bullshit that coldplay recieves everyday

If they do something more mainstream (ie Paradise) = sell outs

if they do something more subtle, like a spell a rebel yell = rip offs

if they do something rockier (violet hill) = trying hard to be cool

 

Who cares about what critics say about them, and by the way, they've always and I say ALWAYS been radio friendly even with your beloved Parachutes and AROBTTH, what's changed? In the early 2000 guitar driven songs were cool and over played on the radio, now songs like ASFOS are

Chris Martin loves to hear their songs over played on the radio, and he has aways been proud of it and that will never change in Coldplay, maybe, some day when they will be 50 years old or something.

 

this is getting ridicolous

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Electronic music and instrumental music are both perfectly viable for any setting or any band. Both genres, whether we think they take musicianship or not, are original forms of art and therefore should be considered as equals. Sure, you can call Kanye or other electronic/hip-hop sampling unoriginal or copying, for example. But the fact is that they are just taking art that they love and repainting it with new colors, textures or additions (Sound familiar? VLV)

 

I also understand the remorse against DJ's like Skrillex or Avicii. At their live performances they just push a few buttons on a laptop and not much else. But that isn't the appeal for their concerts. They still constructed fine pieces of music, and it is okay if they just push play because people are not there for the mad guitar solos or the soaring vocals, they are just there to dance and freak out. ASFOS is a song exactly like this. Coldplay just wanted a song that people at concerts or at parties could jam out to, and while I don't like the song very much, I won't blame them for making it.

 

All I am trying to say here is that I understand why people are upset with Coldplay's electronics. I personally didn't find them to be used on Ghost Stories as well as they could have been. That said, it doesn't make them any less a band or any less a talented band. Those sounds they created take a lot of fine tuning and work. To put out any amount of music or art as an artist takes a lot of tuning and work.

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If they do something more mainstream (ie Paradise) = sell outs

if they do something more subtle, like a spell a rebel yell = rip offs

if they do something rockier (violet hill) = trying hard to be cool

 

Who cares about what critics say about them, and by the way, they've always and I say ALWAYS been radio friendly even with your beloved Parachutes and AROBTTH, what's changed? In the early 2000 guitar driven songs were cool and over played on the radio, now songs like ASFOS are

Chris Martin loves to hear their songs over played on the radio, and he has aways been proud of it and that will never change in Coldplay, maybe, some day when they will be 50 years old or something.

 

 

This. We really shouldn't care. It is okay to be disappointed, but Coldplay will always in a large degree be a band in the now, always radio songs, always new sounds to explore, whether they are rock, electronic, etc.

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I'm starting to think that you guys can't use your brain

 

you are completely ignoring the production of this album, which is a masterpiece, because your brain can't get over the fact that they are not a rock band anymore

 

get over it

 

 

and by the way, radiohead aren't a rock band anymore too, and they haven't created anything new since OK Computer, you all praise them like they discend from freaking God but they are nothing special, there are bands that have been doing what radiohead does for years and even better but who gives a fuck about them, right?

 

I'm sorry if now i'm coming out as rude but i'm really tired of the bullshit that coldplay recieves everyday

If they do something more mainstream (ie Paradise) = sell outs

if they do something more subtle, like a spell a rebel yell = rip offs

if they do something rockier (violet hill) = trying hard to be cool

 

Who cares about what critics say about them, and by the way, they've always and I say ALWAYS been radio friendly even with your beloved Parachutes and AROBTTH, what's changed? In the early 2000 guitar driven songs were cool and over played on the radio, now songs like ASFOS are

Chris Martin loves to hear their songs over played on the radio, and he has aways been proud of it and that will never change in Coldplay, maybe, some day when they will be 50 years old or something.

 

this is getting ridicolous

 

Took the words right out of my mouth.

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I'm starting to think that you guys can't use your brain

 

you are completely ignoring the production of this album, which is a masterpiece, because your brain can't get over the fact that they are not a rock band anymore

 

get over it

 

 

and by the way, radiohead aren't a rock band anymore too, and they haven't created anything new since OK Computer, you all praise them like they discend from freaking God but they are nothing special, there are bands that have been doing what radiohead does for years and even better but who gives a fuck about them, right?

 

I'm sorry if now i'm coming out as rude but i'm really tired of the bullshit that coldplay recieves everyday

If they do something more mainstream (ie Paradise) = sell outs

if they do something more subtle, like a spell a rebel yell = rip offs

if they do something rockier (violet hill) = trying hard to be cool

 

Who cares about what critics say about them, and by the way, they've always and I say ALWAYS been radio friendly even with your beloved Parachutes and AROBTTH, what's changed? In the early 2000 guitar driven songs were cool and over played on the radio, now songs like ASFOS are

Chris Martin loves to hear their songs over played on the radio, and he has aways been proud of it and that will never change in Coldplay, maybe, some day when they will be 50 years old or something.

 

this is getting ridicolous

 

Exactly! People are so quick to judge every little detail-- I swear people make up new things to complain about just to so they can whine about something. I don't mean to come off rude but if you can't appreciate the positive qualities of this album then you really need to lower your expectations. Personally I love Ghost Stories more and more with each listen and music is music-- I don't care whether it is made with a laptop or a guitar, if it makes me tap my foot and smile, then that's enough for me.

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I'll agree with the last two posts! Enough with the whining already. Either you like this album or you don't. I personally love this album for a number of reasons:

 

1. I've been at this exact point in my life of late and I experience the music for what it is ..... heartbreaking.

2. Chris' lyrics and the music are masterfully produced and put together so that the real emotion can be conveyed to us, the listeners. I can FEEL the heartache in the songs, which is exactly what the music itself provides behind Chris' lyrics. If you can't get this aspect of the music, then you are not going to like this album. It's that simple.

3. A real experience is being conveyed here. What it is like to be heartbroken, to descend into the darkness of your life and to finally be able to see the light and see the truth of things .... find a sense of hope that you will be OK and everything is going to work out.

 

I'm not an authority on music, but when I see reviews on the web slamming this album and also see people here going after each other ..... get over it and move on. This album is representative of what goes on for every single one of us at some point in our own lives. We've all been down this road .... to have it given back to us by Chris in this manner ... so clearly and so moving ... that truly is a gift. If you can't appreciate that, that's on you. Vent / argue all you want, but can't you see that it's a nowhere road? Arguing about the technical details (real guitars vs. computers) shows that you could possibly be missing what's really going on with this album. Who cares about being right or wrong here? I don't have to be either. It was a very bold and courageous move for Chris to put any of this stuff out there and for the band to back him, which they obviously did. Can't you see that? HE is literally bearing his soul for all to see .... his pain ... his suffering. Look at the liner notes for @#$%s sake ....

 

"Suffering teaches sweet understanding" - Marshall Ball

 

As I said in a previous post .... Thank you Coldplay for this album and this very personal experience.

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I'll agree with the last two posts! Enough with the whining already. Either you like this album or you don't. I personally love this album for a number of reasons:

 

1. I've been at this exact point in my life of late and I experience the music for what it is ..... heartbreaking.

2. Chris' lyrics and the music are masterfully produced and put together so that the real emotion can be conveyed to us, the listeners. I can FEEL the heartache in the songs, which is exactly what the music itself provides behind Chris' lyrics. If you can't get this aspect of the music, then you are not going to like this album. It's that simple.

3. A real experience is being conveyed here. What it is like to be heartbroken, to descend into the darkness of your life and to finally be able to see the light and see the truth of things .... find a sense of hope that you will be OK and everything is going to work out.

 

I'm not an authority on music, but when I see reviews on the web slamming this album and also see people here going after each other ..... get over it and move on. This album is representative of what goes on for every single one of us at some point in our own lives. We've all been down this road .... to have it given back to us by Chris in this manner ... so clearly and so moving ... that truly is a gift. If you can't appreciate that, that's on you. Vent / argue all you want, but can't you see that it's a nowhere road? Who cares about being right or wrong here? I don't have to be either.

 

As I said in a previous post .... Thank you Coldplay for this album and this very personal experience.

 

I want to give you a hug right now ahaha. Couldn't have said it better myself-- someday if/when I'm in the same position as chris or any similar situation, I can truly see how Ghost Stories would be the perfect healing medicine.

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I want to give you a hug right now ahaha. Couldn't have said it better myself-- someday if/when I'm in the same position as chris or any similar situation, I can truly see how Ghost Stories would be the perfect healing medicine.

 

You got it!! In the interview with Zane, if he didn't say it directly, he alluded to the fact that this music / these songs were his outlet for everything going on in his life / relationship. Like I said, he is bold and courageous for sharing this with all of us. This is a cruel world and people tearing each other apart over something as personal as this is just ridiculous. There are bigger problems for all of us. Give the man and the band a break, you know?

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I don't think this album was meant to be a large production, on par with with light poetry set to ambient music. Also, hence no big tour. For me, this is a big reason I don't like ASFOS, it undercuts everything Chris is trying to achieve with the album. Is this an album that will be belted out with your friends with the car windows down? Probably not, and I feel that's the point of this album.

 

 

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Problem my friend is that Coldplay used to be cool or at least respected in the rock scene, they didn't try to be cool, they already were. They took a new direction, none can blame them for trying. Now, if you love the album, kudos to you! I think it's their weakest album to date. Hope next one will blow our ears. We'll wait and see.

 

PS: I don't discuss with fanboys. I truly don't. I suspect that being a fan and a fanboy are different things. A fan will feel disappointed now and then but will remain listening to the band (me). A fanboy will defend everything even if they know they are wrong just for the sake to be called the biggest fan ever. Not my personality. I never forget they are just people and there are 3 millions of bands in the world. I like Coldplay but they are not gods.

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Is this an album that will be belted out with your friends with the car windows down? Probably not, and I feel that's the point of this album.

 

this is why i love this album ..

i enjoy music alone lol

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Problem my friend is that Coldplay used to be cool or at least respected in the rock scene, they didn't try to be cool, they already were. They took a new direction, none can blame them for trying. Now, if you love the album, kudos to you! I think it's their weakest album to date. Hope next one will blow our ears. We'll wait and see.

 

PS: I don't discuss with fanboys. I truly don't. I suspect that being a fan and a fanboy are different things. A fan will feel disappointed now and then but will remain listening to the band (me). A fanboy will defend everything even if they know they are wrong just for the sake to be called the biggest fan ever. Not my personality. I never forget they are just people and there are 3 millions of bands in the world. I like Coldplay but they are not gods.

 

Please don't call me a "fanboy" just because I love this album and you don't...

 

That is extremely shallow-minded, and I would expect to hear better from a fellow Coldplay "fan"

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It wasn't towards to you. It was towards the one that say that we can't use our brains and used foul language to make his point.

 

To the people that have the need to just get personal, butt-hurt much? I don't know. Can't you make your point without getting personal? You don't know me, I don't know you. Keep it healthy.

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I'm going to jump into the real instruments vs pushing down buttons and twisting knobs discussion.

 

... We wanted a truly Coldplay album that will put Coldplay in the place it deserves: faraway from critics saying that Coldplay is a band for teenies eager to please media and mainstream with awful lyrics. Did they succeded with this album? Nope. The critics and people involved in the rock world mostly will bash and beat this album to death. Were we expecting something more "We're Coldplay and we come again playing our 4 instruments and making songs that make sense for us, we're tired of being a super-mega-band that fits well with vanilla acts like Beyonce."

 

Well mates, this album actually is disappointing. You like it? great. Can Coldplay be in the same level with Radiohead or The Smiths? Not with this album.

 

If I remember correctly, Coldplay said that X&Y marked the end of a trilogy. Also you can read many news regarding coldplay new direction with music where you can read and hear Christopher Anthony Martin saying that they are NOT going to make the music we want to hear but the music THEY want to make and hear as they want to be true and give all they have inside and not stick into a category.

 

So now I'm going to say. If you are expecting the RAW coldplay from X&Y or if you want from AROBTTH, well they will not be like that, that's past my friend. Coldplay changed since Viva La Vida with Brian Eno. He was an inspiration for them to change to new ways of playing music, creating sounds and that seems to have worked inside the band head since they are not going raw anymore with any new song. Now they create a whole wall of sound with many melodies around a single piece of music.

I'm not going to say if I like the new coldplay or not but it's different.

You can not compare bands, you can not compare albums from the same genre so don't ever think you can compare albums from different areas of music.

In the other hand, Coldplay said that the music genres exist for one purpose and that's for music stores to try and categorize, but music is music, it's what you feel when you listen to it what matters.

 

Long time I don't write such a long reply in a thread but well

LP7 IS GOING TO BE GREAT I CAN SEE IT, I CAN HEAR IT ALREADY OH MAN!

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It wasn't towards to you. It was towards the one that say that we can't use our brains and used foul language to make his point.

 

To the people that have the need to just get personal, butt-hurt much? I don't know. Can't you make your point without getting personal? You don't know me, I don't know you. Keep it healthy.

 

A. I'm a female

 

B. I'm so so SO SO far away from being a fanboy cause when there's the need to criticize them I do, The first time i heard/read the lyrics i was really really disappointed by them and still am, and i don't have problems to say that. When mx came i didn't have any problems to point out how shit the production was. I don't have problems to say how disappointed I was when they played the X factor finale this year and in 2011 (or 2012 don't remember).

 

C. I wasn't being personal in my post, not at all, It was a rant about people who think that Coldplay need to play "real instruments" and "play rock music" because "that's were they belong" because that's not true, they play live like a rock band but they aren't, again, get over it.

 

D. About that "Coldplay used to be respected" point. They are friends with freaking Dave Grohl, Paul MCartney, Matt Bellamy from Muse, Noel Gallagher, Bono, Peter Gabriel, people who don't have problems to praise them for what they are. A lot of new rock bands look onto them as an aim for the future, what do you want more? The only music scene people that hate them are those like Liam Gallagher and Thom Yorke, who are famous for being elitist about music, which is stupid.

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A. I'm a female

 

B. I'm so so SO SO far away from being a fanboy cause when there's the need to criticize them I do, The first time i heard/read the lyrics i was really really disappointed by them and still am, and i don't have problems to say that. When mx came i didn't have any problems to point out how shit the production was. I don't have problems to say how disappointed I was when they played the X factor finale this year and in 2011 (or 2012 don't remember).

 

C. I wasn't being personal in my post, not at all, It was a rant about people who think that Coldplay need to play "real instruments" and "play rock music" because "that's were they belong" because that's not true, they play live like a rock band but they aren't, again, get over it.

 

D. About that "Coldplay used to be respected" point. They are friends with freaking Dave Grohl, Paul MCartney, Matt Bellamy from Muse, Noel Gallagher, Bono, Peter Gabriel, people who don't have problems to praise them for what they are. A lot of new rock bands look onto them as an aim for the future, what do you want more? The only music scene people that hate them are those like Liam Gallagher and Thom Yorke, who are famous for being elitist about music, which is stupid.

 

A. You can be whatever you want to be.

 

B. There were posts with extremely valid points regarding last album, instrumentation that didn't need the use of foul language or saying that someone isn't using his/her brain. Sorry to confuse you as a fanboy/girl. The language is always a good way to detect them, I guess it was a mistake.

 

C. I still believe they are and they will comeback to what they do best in the future. Working with overrated productors and djs will end someday.I seriously believe this, like the previous post, maybe LP7 will be what we were waiting for.

 

D. I don't believe they are "friends", just mainstream relationships. I still laugh about the Coldplay joke on Foo Fighters video. The only name I care in the bunch you mentioned is Peter Gabriel because it's f Peter Gabriel. I never said I hate Coldplay, actually I love their first stuff, I just can't get ver their last 2 albums which in my opinion it's just an attempt to please mainstream music, which in my opinion is totally shitty. I mean I couldn't listen to Beyonce even if you pay me, something that many people in this forum are pretty used to (to listen to Beyonce or Justin Timberlake). Maybe the reason is that I'm a complete rocker and that's why I dislike so much their last 2 albums. We will see in the future.

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Be careful what you wish for. An electronically-infused dreamscape record totally beats a heartless replication of the past. We've all seen bands re-make records before, and THAT would be a sad moment for Coldplay. Thankfully, Ghost Stories and MX are signs of them being unsatisfied with traditional thinking.

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