indiefan23

I listened. First its only two chords for 30 seconds and not nearly the entire hook of the song. Pink Floyd didn't invent a slow strum on reverb on clean guitar which is mostly what you think is the same. Floyd also picks all over it on the second chord with that falling note progression to totally change the groove of the song. So what you're complaining about is that for four chord strums Satriani used a technique taught to everyone using reverb on the planet. If Satriani took a nearly identical phrase/melody over identical (one is sonicly the same, the others are the same) chords that had the same groove from Floyd you'd have a point, but he didn't and Coldplay did. Point in case: The Coldplay song sounds exactly the same. I like rain sounds nothing like the Floyd song except for 4 chords of a standard rock progression and reverb. Uh yea,thats it.

Why wouldn't you think that? Satriani is a famous artist. He wrote a song. A few years later a pop band released a song that sounded almost identicle except they sang his notes instead of played them on a guitar. Its not like the music is different or its a sample in a hip hop song or something. They sound the same. Yet for some reason you think that's CRAZY!

Ha, so you guys have a separate thread on here for each band Coldplay rips off? that is hilarious!

You're kidding right? Umm... if a song is #1 it is 'mainstream'. When have Coldplay 'not' been mainstream? Like, 10 years ago? Show of hands everyone... everyone who was a fan on here 'before' Yellow, please speak up. Why so quiet? Coldplay and VLV is the personification of music manufactured for and consumed by the mainstream.

Oh, its quite snobbish. However, the fact reamins that its true. Uh, creative? Is that why Martin ripped off JS? Its great you like Coldplay, I know that. But I'll reiterate: every credible musician or critic alive (including Chris Martin) at least respects Joe Satriani if they don't like him. Coldplay does not have that respect. And that absolutely counts wether its elitist or not. I guess I'm rude. Sorry. But I don't really disagree. Satriani is amazing but lacks what I truly look for in music. Hey, he plays for himself. I'm pretty sure if he wanted to write pop songs and make millions he could. Its not difficult. See: John Mayer. Or, see the satriani song popized by Coldplay above. The true fact of the matter is that Satriani is not massive because he plays guitar. If he had a vocalist he would sell way more albums. Thats fact. In comparison to what? The Beatles? yes. Coldplay? Considering the songs sound the same I think you're on the losing end there. Thousands of people can't Shred like Satriani or Vai BTW. Those types are few and far between.

Speaking of dumb, how stupid do you have to be to insult your friend's decent taste in music and sig links when you're talking to me?

See... now here I am in a forum called Coldplay: The Band, The Music and what am I talking about? Well. Coldplay. The band. And about their music. Go figure. So why am I here? Welllll.... shall I repeat? To 'talk' about Coldplay the band, and their music. Its just that simple.

? I'm not trying to change what people think. Nor did I say Coldplay changed their sound on a major label. (althogh its likely as its such a common thing). I have not listened to 'old Coldplay' enough to know that. It is pretty likely though. There are about 1 million examples.

Yet you have no evidence to support that other then them claiming they didn't. The songs sound undeniably similar and have the same notes. I wonder what you know that I don't.

I do, but he's not cracking that list or even coming close. Joe is a phenomenal talent and writes some fantastically brilliant songs, but hey, I have high standards. Joe's ability alone prolly out does almost all of them and most of them combined, but he's no where near my favourite artist.

Well, SwallowedInSea(men) (my apology, could not be helped and won't happen again. :) ). I don't think its really a genre of music, but I do think being signed to an independent label affects the sound of the music. Major labels have one goal: selling lots of records and making money. They are big enough that they don't actually 'need' any of the artists they sign. When they sign a band they usually do it when they're small. So, the label owns everything the band produces and holds all the cards. So what happens when the major label's producer for their new band's says 'you know what, I don't like the song this way, you'll have to change it." The band can say no, and the major will say 'okay, well we already own all your songs and you owe us for the use of our studios, the advance we gave you and the legal fees we've sepnt on you, so you can pay us back with nothing to make money with or go bankrupt and start over from scratch." Well, bands often choose option 2 which is change their sound to what the label wants and take it in the bum so they can continue to exist as a band. What they lose is control of their music and they are not really artists anymore but creative pawns of the label. Independent labels do this too, but tend to be more about the art then making music to sell millions of copies. Indie labels often need their band's a little more and are not as adept at or motivated to manipulating/screwing their artists over. It makes a big massive difference, if you care about what you listen to every day.

Nope, I invented another one! Brand new worde! Woah, another!

Wow, regarding plagurism (my word) it looks like you just copied about a half billion people on the internet. Way to knock it out of the park.

I agree there, except that Satriani's guitars are always a little uh, big and brighter... Santana's thinner and more bodied. I really prefer Santana... he can't shred but Satriani lacks soul and grit. That's the prob with people who spend all their time trying to play fast. Gots to balance that shiz.

Yo, I listen to lots of stuff. Umm... a cornucopia of my favorites is, uh, I'm gonna throw in a bunch of HFX flava just 4 u, I got my music education when that scene was bumpin: Pavement Guided By Voices Modest Mouse Slayer Thrush Hermit Superfriendz/Flashing Lights/Matt Murphy Hardship Post North Of America, best hfx band ever The Plan, or maybe best hfx band ever, is there a difference? The Holy Shroud Local Rabbits Special Noise (do they have a new CD?) SS Cardiacs (when the special noise drummer and that bass guy are with her) ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead The Blood Brothers Sonic Youth Sloan (though, u know, I don't like to say sloan for HFX) The Boredoms Les Savy Fav J to the ROC (know 'em sayin? his one song performance is one of the best things I've seen at the Para uh, Marquee) Plaskett, HFX's certifiable indie god if there is one Ween, god damn I love Ween Q And Not You White Stripes, cuz Jack is a global indie rock god Radiohead Muse Bloc Party The Pixies, easily one of my fav Okay, enough, thats off the top of my head. Do you play in a HFX band? I looked at your list. Yay!

Sure you can, I'm not stopping you, but criticizing me for posting in your beloved Coldplay fan zone while posting in my anti-Coldplay thread makes you a hypocrite. We both are doing it for the same reasons.

Granted. Cept I'm not. They don't line up? The chorus is the entire Coldplay song. Just because Satrani takes four bars to get to the part they repeat for the whole song does not mean its not ripped off. Dude, you need to check your head. You can claim they didn't rip it off, but actually claiming they don't sound alike is plain dumb. I mean, length? Thats like saying a word for word poem you copied from Shakespeare is not plaugirzed(my word remember!) because you printed it on legal instead of standard 8.5/11 stock. Chris Martin sings the same notes Satriani plays with incredibly minor variations and thats a fact. Thats because JS is not an MTV pop star and people with average music knowledge don't know who he is. JS is making art not selling it to a mainstream audience. "now they're "almost" identical? I'm sorry I thought you said the entire verse was an exact copy. My bad. Only three of the four chords in the progression are the same" Yes, and the other one is tonicly the same. I didn't say they duplicated his song, I said they plagurized (my word again) it. "and who even thinks to imitate meter? As if the song is "that" different between 135 and 138. The tempos of both songs are very popular rock meter's and I assure you having the same tempo is no crime." Well, when you copy the meter, and the melody and write a song that sounds the same cuz you heard it somewhere else its plagurism(my word). I don't know if they did hear it somewhere else and copied it but it sure sounds like they did to me. Only they know that though and categorically you do not. They're close enough that a copy is pretty likely. Lawsuit? Do you know how hard it is to prove beyond a reasonable doubt a musical rip off? Its nearly impossible because of that beyond a reasonable doubt thing. That does not mean they didn't rip him off. It doesn't mean they looked guilty as sin in avoiding him till he was forced to sue.

I use indie to refer to bands signed to independent labels. I don't wear box frame glasses. I use it cuz I don't know how else to describe what I like.

So... What you're saying is that Coldplay fans are musicly ignorant? Okay... Judging from the tone of your post I would say you do care. Boo to you! Uh, cuz I feel like it, and I can, so I am. I will not eat green eggs and ham! Be serious, this is the worst argument in the history of the internet. I'm here cuz I thought it was interesting 'n I'm not going to talk about Coldplay on a JS forum where everyone will agree with me or on a Slayer forum where everyone just thinks Coldplay sucks hairy ass. Why are YOU posting on MY thread which is not pro coldplay if YOU think they are totally awesome and would never copy a note? Well, JS's fan community consists of every single credible musician alive. Or, if they're not fans they at least respect him. The same can NOT be said for Chris Martin no matter how many people who have no idea who one of the best guitar players of ALL TIME like him. Well, next time I make researches I'll be sure to come back. I don't think Joe "master of his craft and certifyable guitar legend" Satriani's feeling is really sad, more like, angry that a pop band has taken his work and bastardized it, masqueraded it as their own work and then refused to return his calls when he tried to talk to them about it. Think about it. If there was no rip off why wouldn't they call him back and say "hey man, yea, its really close but its just one of those flukes in music. We are really sorry. How about you grace us at a show with your presence so you can tear it up on the guitar like none of us are capable of doing in the middle of the song?"

Well, I dunno. I'm probably not buying another Coldplay CD. I despise cowardice.

I'm not sure what he can say... did you look at the music? Its nearly identical and not just a few similar chords. Its the same chords, notes and phrases. If they didn't copy him why did they totally avoid Satriani and his lawyers till he was going to embarrass him? He tried to multiple times with no responses.

Nope, its my spelling. I'm original like that. 'cuse me for not spell checking. Idiotic? I don't think so. Its not chord sequences, its the entire verse of the song copying the notes and phrases of Satriani's guitar with Martin's voice. Actually stating that theres no similarities is, I don't know what I'd call that... the Coldplay song sounds like the first part of Satriani's song repeated over and over about 30 times. The meter is exactly the same and the chord progression is the same. Also the way the melody matches the meter and progression is the same. And its more then 3 notes. The song is in a different key, but the notes are almost identical. I did do research: check this out... its the same. javascript:newPopup('http://www.creativeguitarstudio.com/satch_coldplay/melody_comparison.html');

I dunno about that. In one case they're playing the same scale and it sounds similar but the feel and melody are different. In the other the whole melody is exactly the same over the exact same rhythm.

Hey, I've been traveling. I dunno, Coldplay are pretty cowardly when they just ignored him till he was going to embarrass them at the Grammys. I mean, if it was just some tiny band but Satriani is a legendary artist. And its not like its a stretch... its a blatent copy. Its just weak. Boo Chris Martin! Boo!

Coldplay == plagurizing hacks Check this blog that shows what Coldplay did to Joe Satriani. http://ihearditthroughthebushes.blogspot.com/ I used to love this song but its obvious Coldplay are not the artists we thought they were!