Prince Myshkin

well i'll be traveling in the next couple of years so maybe one day. and possibly next summer be going to france with my friends, since we nearly went this summer but didn't have enough people to go.

he has admitted to breaking human rights himself in trying to achieve these human rights

but why is he respected so much and this side of his life not spoken about? he walked around with a gun which he fortunately didn't have to use. certain extremist muslims believe that they are right in their attacks on america, so is it ok for them to do what they do? my point is perspective doesn't matter. if you plot to try and blow up the government you don't deserve the nobel peace price. gandhi on the other hand i can understand.

he only didn't blow them up because he was arrested for plotting to. had he not had to go on the run the odds are he would have done. if a guy got done for plotting a terrorist attack in america do you think he would be let off? he was the leader of an anti-government group. if that isn't trying to organise a revolution i don't know what is.

headaches suck so bad :( i got one last night and had to lie down at my friends. maybe one day if you return, or if i ever travel to france we will meet. you never know.

fair enough, but would you expect to receive the nobel peace prize and live the life mandela has lived after your release?

exactly my point it's all about perception had german prisoners of war escaped by murdering guards they would have been heroes on one side and evil on the other side. there is a slight difference there as the jews were being killed in their millions whereas mandela and the people he was fighting for were slaves (which is awful of course). it just all seems a little hypocritical and contradictory to have him as a figurehead for peace when he did what he did. i am not against what he did in particular, just how he has been deified.

south park and king of the hill are better futurama is ok

he plotted to blow up the government

awwww, i still regret you aren't staying longer. would have been nice to meet you and your boyfriend some day. not that i know your boyfriend but ya know. tomorrow i will be drinking orange juice and listening to music. probably go for a run at some point. other than that not too much.

it makes perfect sense i hope he realises soon, but be sure to let me know before you going. any plans for tomorrow?

ahhhhh go nudge him

some guys :rolleyes: if you are too tired for that maybe it is time for sleep?

family guy was great it's now ok, but since it used to be great, ok then becomes shit in comparison

ahhhh, i'll keep that in mind the boys still on youtube?

yup, hilarious the board is in stitches

1. i asked you a question 2. i'm unaware of your sex so far you've said something was racist, when it wasn't and something was sexist when it wasn't. you're on a roll

i was gonna go to sleep cuz you disappeared but i might stop a little longer you?

hello! welcome back you didn't miss much

i respect this and i am all for what he fought for, i'm just confused about the way he is now perceived considering the way he went about it. as far as i'm aware, the new setup that he fought for didn't make terrorism and what mandela did legal. i think he deserves respect for fighting for what he believed in and i agree with the cause he fought for, but he has won the nobel peace prize and is possibly the most respected man in the world. i just don't get it

i just think it's weird terrorism is ok if you sympathise with the perpetrators, but if you don't agree it's the most evil thing in the world. and as for the violence, i don't agree that murder is acceptable personally unless in self defence.

wow, well done :rolleyes: let's get back on topic

arguing about semantics is much more fun than actual debate ;) so what are your views?

i said they weren't children, silly

obviously