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Well, I care in the sense that I don't want other people to care so much about gender roles. /that definitely made no sense at all, but I don't even know what I'm trying to say any more, so feel free to call me a complete idiot As I said, though, it's almost entirely my personal taste. (and now I have to leave and get ready for bed :escaping:)

For the most part, it is personal taste. But, as for the "gender identity" part of it, it's mostly for other people to get the idea that I'm not a "girly girl." *quietly laughs to self* Basically - and I know this sounds like I'm contradicting myself, but I can't really explain this type of thing very well, so bear with me - gender roles are stupid, but in order for the people who are closed-minded to not automatically say, "You wear girl clothes, so you're a girl," (if I was trying to tell them what my gender identity is...which I probably won't, but hey, one can never be too sure), I dress in a neutral way. Sure, I could wear "female clothes" and still explain to my close friends that I don't identify as a girl/woman, but honestly, I just don't feel like doing that, mostly because I've dressed in a way that is considered gender neutral for years anyway. /I can't explain things to save my life (breakdown: 95% = personal taste, 5% = to avoid having to talk to ignorant people not attempting to even understand gender identity) Self-correction: by "neutral" clothing, I mean clothes that are not "specifically assigned" genders by society/a clothing store. If I'm contradicting myself again, please call me out on it.

I'm sorry if I wasn't/am not answering your question to begin with; I thought that you didn't understand the difference between gender roles and gender identity, which I was clearly wrong about. (Emily (that's your name, right? :uhoh2:), I don't really think anyone really understands it; I'm just trying to use my experience as an example [i'm probably failing miserably at that, to be frank], and I don't really get the entire concept either)

To be honest, it's mostly because I absolutely hate the design/pattern/colors of most clothes that are "specifically made" for women. Clothes "specially made" for men don't generally annoy me as much, but the necklines are almost always too high for me - anything that touches my neck annoys me and makes me want to literally scratch my neck away. :| I basically dress pretty casually when I'm not at school [where there is a dress code of a school polo and khakis for everyone], and casual, for me at least, means comfortably. And, for whatever reason, comfortable clothes tend to be more neutral. (actually, if I really want to think about it, I don't even own any clothing, aside from my "feminine cut" polos, that is gendered by retailers and stores) Essentially, I dress neutrally because clothes that aren't neutral aren't physically comfortable for me to wear. (I'm using shoes as an example here, but this applies to any article of clothing) If I could find "female" shoes that were actually not physically digging into my feet, I wouldn't mind wearing them - and the same applies for "male" [dress] shoes. tldr unisex clothes are physically more comfortable

^ YES SO MUCH. :cheesy: The problem is, for most people, gender roles are somewhat significant, if only to their perception of the world. Example: most people see men wearing dresses and/or skirts as "weird." (for whatever reason, very few people see women wearing "traditionally" masculine clothes the same way...double standard?) I completely agree with the fact that gender roles should be completely insignificant, but the fact is that culture has made them be significant. That's why I'm using the word 'typically' - society, as a whole, creates "typical" and "atypical" [what a load of balderdash] behaviors. This blog post by a mother with a son who likes wearing dresses(if anyone is curious, the blog is "Pink is for Boys") basically sums up my point of view on the whole topic: "He says he doesn’t want to be considered a boy who likes girl things, because he doesn’t think there should be “boy” things and “girl” things to begin with. There should just be things, and people should get to like what they want." tldr; gender roles shouldn't matter but they do to society overall (Believe me, I don't understand the entire issue completely myself)

Well, I dislike gender roles, but that's for a completely reason than being neutral gendered (the whole "boys are supposed to be strong and not cry" thing, [if it is a thing...] for example, really bothers me). To put it in the most simple terms that I can, gender identity is how someone feels internally, and gender roles [/gender presentation..but that's a bit beyond the point I'm trying to make] is how someone shows themselves on the outside - how they dress, act, and/or behave [in terms of what is seen as "masculine" or "feminine" in society]. In terms of applying it to me, I feel neutral-gendered, and I am trying to show that by dressing/acting/behaving as neutrally as possible. I have to go to my piano lesson now, but I will try to make this more clear when I come back~

Basically, gender roles exist, but I don't like the fact that they exist, and if they didn't have to apply to anyone, that would be awesome EVERYTHING IS CONFUSING :bigcry: EDIT: Gender roles are cultural and personal. They determine how males and females should think, speak, dress, and interact within the context of society. Learning plays a role in this process of shaping gender roles. These gender schemas are deeply embedded cognitive frameworks regarding what defines masculine and feminine. While various socializing agents—parents, teachers, peers, movies, television, music, books, and religion—teach and reinforce gender roles throughout the lifespan, parents probably exert the greatest influence, especially on their very young offspring. thank you cliff notes sociology So, yes, gender roles exist in that other people perceive they exist.

Well, from what I can tell, it's sort of a combination of both, but it seems to be mostly an "internal" thing. I mean, there are "femme"/feminine people who are female to male transgendered (and vice versa - "butch"/masculine people who are male to female transgendered; and, of course, the genderfluid people in between). For me, I don't really have a gender role (I don't want to be "involved," for a lack of a better way to put it, in that type of thing), but the majority of people around me who don't know me that well automatically assume that I fit a feminine gender identity and gender role. That would be the "perception" type, I guess. ...but I really don't know, to be perfectly honest. gender is a ball of wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff

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how do you like this sentence then huh I'm just feeling particularly tired at the moment. :|

oh look a thread

Oh hi Crestammi :heart: From what I've read, you're right about the difference between identifying as agender and neutrois, although agender seems to me to be more of a lack of a gender [or a lack of caring about it], rather than having a neutral gender and not having dysphoria. I really have no idea, and I'm half asleep at the moment, so I'm not really the best person to ask. :freak: I mean, I have a mild amount of dysphoria, so I use neutrois [and the fact that neutrois seems to refer to a neutral gender rather than a lack of one], but use whatever you feel is appropriate for you. ..not to mention the fact that gender roles are completely separate from gender identification. humans, always being so confusing

:bigcry: Oh god. xD REMEMBER WINTER BREAK LAST YEAR I don't even know who Robin is. :| She comes on once in a while, but I don't really ever talk to her any more so ;_;

None of the "oldies" (well, you know what I mean...not really "old" idk) are here often any more :bigcry:

i miss this thread

I think it's supposed to be around the age before you're a teenager. so basically what Laurel said

I have to go to bed now, so good night/day/afternoon! :nice: :escaping:

Three times, yes. :P I can relate to what Dan was saying completely, in fact. Also, I made brownies following their [Dan and Phil's] recipe...and they are delicious. :wacko:

I'm not really that funny...I just steal jokes from other people. :P but thank you :blush:

I AM SKRIKING not really I had the urge to say that

Phil is the innocent one. :p

I learned that I can write 3000 words of a novel in one day. :| (NaNoWriMo, for anyone who's wondering)

Thanks for reminding me of that one. xD i mean I've seen all of his videos at least twice because I have no life but still

...what about Phil? (AmazingPhil) You don't have to watch both of them, but, you know...they complement each other. :P Taameen and Madison [Madison unfortunately left the forum a while ago...long story] originally introduced me to Dan (I started watching Phil about a week later). I was a fan before he hit 200,000 subscribers. :cool: /not really all that cool

OH MY GOD SOMEONE BESIDES TAAMEEN AND I LIKES DAN /dies :dazzled: I was Dan for Halloween, actually. :wacko: /been watching since April/May of this year