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Indeed. Heh... I love how we're looking at their forum laughing at some of the funny things they're saying about us, and they're looking at our forum laughing about some of the silly things we're saying about them. :laugh3: Hello Green Day people! *waves* Congratulations on your win. :nice: Next week should be fun, eh?

^Me too. Forgive me- I'm weak, buddy's annoying me, and people sucking up to him makes it worse. :bomb: :mad: :hat2:

Not on top of a hill, but I know what you mean. My room is on the corner of the house that gets all the wind and rain driving right into it. Makes for weird dreams sometimes... :laugh3: Don't come here now then, you'd have a nervous breakdown. It's been raining torrents this evening. 40 or 50 millimetres, I think they said.

Not directed at me, but yes, he seems to be the very definition of a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. They're an alternative rock band who caused the pop landscape to shift by becoming popular. But pop came to them, they didn't go to it. Heehee... Salami. :lol: Buddy doesn't know enough about popular music to understand when we were talking about Oasis. Why should we bother to research the other way. He had some good points.

Man, that wind was insane... our whole house wouldn't stop shaking all day. Sorry about your cd. :(

If I ever make it to London, I really want to go in the Eye of London. Giant ferris wheel hurray. :nice:

You know, I don't really know where to put this so I'll just stick it here, but I think the really unfortunate thing overshadowing this whole case is that win or lose, Viva la Vida is always going to be in the public's eyes "that song that was copied", when one of the greatest things about the song is that it has some of the best lyrics Chris has ever written. For the first time he came up with a story, a character, and a different point of view. He used subtler lyrical tools like alliteration rather than just endlessly rhyming everything. He managed to avoid his usual cliches like fishes in ponds or barrels. And most importantly, the song works on two completely different levels talking about two different things, and using them as metaphors for each other. It's kind of brilliant, and it has nothing to do with melody. But no one is going to remember that now. Goodness, maybe I should just take my avatar's advice, have a cup of tea, head for bed, and wait for this all to blow over... :snore:

^^Yeah, a lot of the time we end up pointing out that the video has been pitch-shifted, people are saying "they totally copied it because even the key and tempo are identical." Which isn't true.

No, he studied music he said, and English teachers usually get to the point much faster and more briefly. :p

Human nature 101: A rule is on the books. People at large don't entirely understand the existence or nature of the rule, so when something comes along, they ignore it. One person doesn't ignore it. The rule is publicized and publicly explained. Dozens of people suddenly realize "hey, that other guy is breaking the rule too! Get him!" Pitchfork wielding mob ensues, going after multiple random targets. Don't believe me? Just look at the last season of Formula One- an obscure interpretation of a passing rule nearly decided the whole championchip, and because of the new application of that rule, many drivers were given light to severe penalties for something that wouldn't have mattered in the past.

That's what they said about section 13.1 of the Canadian Human rights act when they passed it. It basically deals with the illegality of hate speech overruling free speech. They said it's application was for very specific circumstances that would rarely if ever come up; that the laws murky nature would be made up for by the intelligence of judges. Now we have random extremist groups taking major magazines to court for calling them extreme. See? Or if you want the victim's very cutting and entertaining perspective: http://www.macleans.ca/canada/opinions/article.jsp?content=20080326_105422_105422 It's never enough to say oh, it won't matter it probably won't happen. Legal precedents can be twisted around to mean things that were never intended, and lawyers can be creative with them in ways that were never expected.

It will. I guarantee it. The thing is, it happens all the time in music, but people just go "huh" and get on with their lives, the musicians included. They assume it was coincidence. Coldplay just happened to come across a particularly catchy melody and a creator who is particularly attached to that tune/riff/solo/whatever you want to call it. IF this goes to court and Coldplay loses, the precedent set will be huge. Those other cases that were ignored before will start coming out of the woodwork. Big labels may become legally paranoid, making songwriting difficult and creatively stifling, and tiny labels could be crushed by one of these cases. It could turn into a form of legal bullying- washed up musicians without cases could go after bands on tiny labels that could never afford to fight for a bit of quick cash, and big labels who want to buy a little label or sign someone specific could use the threat of that sort of legal action as leverage. I wasn't even allowed to listen to pop music as a kid, and I've still heard dozens of songs with brief near-identical passages over the years. I'm still trying to figure out which old hymn the first part of Feist's "The Park" is from, because I know it, it's driving me crazy, and everyone else who would know the hymn instantly recognizes that passage in "The Park" the moment I play it for them, even if they can't remember the name either. Think of that times ten. We're dealing with the brink of a legal apocalypse here. No, it's totally your prerogative, as long as Ian doesn't object (it is his board, after all.) It's equally our right to be thoroughly annoyed by it, and to say so repeatedly. :P:laugh3:

^As I remember it, one of the driving forces (out of many) behind the Pumpin's original split was disappointment at their rapidly declining album sales once Grunge was good and dead and pop was taking over the planet. I'm not surprised if it's bugging them again.

Word. You know, the history of copywrite is actually pretty fascinating, as I understand it. It was originally set up with the intent of creating a large body of work in the public domain for people to draw from. But then Walt Disney started making lots of money and his company kept getting the laws changed so that they could keep control of Mickey Mouse. But on the downside, this is the sort of mess that happens because of those changes.

I dunno... I was too, but those Green Day fans post some pretty impressive numbers. :wreck: Pity they don't tell us how many votes were received along with the percentage.

Hey look the thread's been recreated... Be nice eh? It's been a bad week around here. I know you'd like a nice big slugfest over the real issues in this case, and it looks like you're getting it to a certain extent. But being a Coldplay fan means getting hit by the haters of the world repeatedly right where it hurts, and a lot of the younger or newer ones especially aren't going to have developed as thick a skin as some of us who've lived through a few atease trolling sessions. They're kids on a messageboard- it's supposed to be something fun devoted to something they love, and instead we're all pretty bruised right now. You're not going to get top notch rationality right now. If you'd been here a couple of days ago I might have argued, (and yes I have studied music structure in college and write a bit myself) but now I'm just tired. I'm saying this as an artist. Images speak louder than words. Human nature, dude. What do you expect. Every glimpse of you screams "rude". You don't seem to be from atease (pity, really), so I'm not going to toy with you; I'm just saying this plainly. But people are going to be upset. And since my first post is lost in the proper thread for all this I ask again: What's up with the 7 page essay? The papers I wrote for university weren't that long! :stunned:

If he's really a troll, then don't feed him. Getting upset is just giving trolls what they want so that they can grow.

Whoever your conscience tells you to. (Which hopefully isn't Green Day... :sneaky:)

Thanks for the essay, dude. :) If it wasn't a 5 page 2000 word essay, I might actually have read it too. But seriously- most of my college essays weren't that long. :stunned:

And their board is so dead. :bomb: Seriously, I went on there after voting for them to try to offer a bit of encouragement (can't stand Green Day) and I couldn't even find a thread for this. There were like, 10 people around, and hardly any new posts. So I left. *sigh*

From Wired Magazine: http://www.wired.com/entertainment/music/magazine/16-01/ff_yorke?currentPage=all David Byrne: I've been asking myself: Why put together these things — CDs, albums? The answer I came up with is, well, sometimes it's artistically viable. It's not just a random collection of songs. Sometimes the songs have a common thread, even if it's not obvious or even conscious on the artists' part. Maybe it's just because everybody's thinking musically in the same way for those couple of months. Thom Yorke: Or years. Byrne: However long it takes. And other times, there's an obvious... Yorke: ... Purpose. Byrne: Right. Probably the reason it's a little hard to break away from the album format completely is, if you're getting a band together in the studio, it makes financial sense to do more than one song at a time. And it makes more sense, if you're going to all the effort of performing and doing whatever else, if there's a kind of bundle. Yorke: Yeah, but the other thing is what that bundle can make. The songs can amplify each other if you put them in the right order.

That was aimed squarely at the old fossils who run Rolling Stone and no one else. I'm half American- any broader insult would technically apply to me as well...:thinking:;) But I really do think RS and it's attitudes towards music is a big part of the reason the American music scene hasn't been living up to it's potential for the last 10 or 15 years now. Someone awesome. :cool: Seriously, check them out- the whole album is still up on their myspace: http://www.myspace.com/tvotr They sort of combine Radiohead-style experimental rock (seriously, the released an EP once named "OK Calculator" :lol:) with gospel, soul, hip hop rhythms, and a bunch of other random stuff. No one else comes close to sounding like them. "Return to Cookie Mountain" is amazing and their best, but "Dear Science" is quite good too.

You can download the whole interview on the nme site. here: http://www.nme.com/radar_mp3s/nme-radio-neil-cole-chris-martin.mp3

Coldplay - Lovers in Japan Beck - Gamma Ray Santogold - LES Artistes Franz Ferdinand - Lucid Dreams Snow Patrol - The Planets Bend Between Us honorable mention as one of my favorite songs in the universe (#1 of 2007): Radiohead - Reckoner

You know the more I learn about how the brain responds to music, the more I'm learning to respect other people's genre tastes. What you listen to seems to actually change the wiring in your head and the things your brain hears and responds to. For example there was a study a while ago that found that a person's favorite music, whether it was classical or death metal could actually make that person heal faster when in the hospital. I think a metal fan will literally hear their music differently that someone who isn't, because their brain is responding in a different way. I know certain fuzzy guitar-based rock songs sound completely different to me now than they did 10 years ago when I hadn't been exposed to much rock at all. Before it felt like I was under attack, that the music was rubbing my ears with sandpaper, and that there wasn't any melody. It literally physically hurt. I listen now and wonder how I ever could have missed how much subtlety, melody, and great texture is in one of those same songs, because I'm hearing the same thing in a different way. So I say don't judge taste unless you can hear with the other person's ears. (Though I'm still going to whine about individual bands or artists and the system in general because that's a whole different issue) The brain. It's a strange, wonderful thing. :cool: