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:lol: i know! :P

is that Deniseeeeee?? she changed her username? :huh: :stunned:

is that the truth! :stunned:

Eric...where did you read this? :stunned: :o I went to a southern university for my degree, and the history i was taught, even there, was that nobody in their right mind can now say that slaves willingly stayed on to be slaves even after they were proclaimed free. To say that not all slave owners were bad, or that slaves actually enjoyed their slavery is to perpetuate a myth that has no moorings in reality. In fact, the most famous and inglorious example of a slave owner was our 'great' Thomas Jefferson himself. This guy not only denied freedom to his slaves, but, when one revolted against him, Jefferson sold the slave for pennies to a slave-trader and demanded that this wretched man be sold to a sugar plantation in Jamaica...then, a renowned place for "hell on earth" for slaves. Now coming to your argument that slavery can't be compared to gay marriage: I am looking at this from purely legal perspective. Not moral or religious, but legal. Remember, the 'kind' slave owners you're talking of also held up the Bible as their saving grace to own slaves (Bible allows slavery!). Thus, just like a majority of voters in 1800s America supported slavery (voters then were of course only white males!), a majority of voters in 21st century America might support outlawing gay marriage. But that doesn't make it right or equitable. If you want a country based on Bible laws, you might want to start looking into how Saudi Arabia is faring nowadays...a country strictly following the Koran... laws in the name of some religious edits are all pretty much bigoted...against some group or another....and so, it's best to leave out religion when making laws. Otherwise, you would also have to start allowing Muslims to have 4 wives like they're allowed under the Koran...and also allow Mormon men to marry their underage neices 'cuz their religion allows it!

what Bush has done is moralize on marriage when he has no right to be doing so...as I'm sure many people know, Bush was an alcoholic and not a great husband in his early married life. Instead of giving surmons on marriage, Bush should busy himself and his underlings with real issues facing America, such as the actual fight on terror, the jobless economy, the devastation of our natural resources, etc. :rolleyes:

no, I'm not gay, Eric. All the same, just because I am liberal in my thinking and I support gay rights doesn't make me out to be a gay, not that there's anything wrong with being one...but i'm not! as to your reasoning about majority supporting 'defense of marriage' or are against gay marriage....the point is, laws can't be made based upon what some arbitrary majority thinks. In 1800s, I'm sure a majority of people in America totally supported slavery....so does that make it okay? Laws should be made that are equitable to all humans....based on the principle that a secular government should not care what you do in your private home, which includes: whom you sleep with, whom you pray to, etc.

I don't like where Bush is going with this...he is being maniacal by bringing his own personal religious beliefs into government. I don't accept this proposal, and I will vote him out of office come November! :angry:

nice song...i've heard it in a good movie before, not to mention on radio as well :) thanks for posting!

quite interesting! :-) though, i thought since you wear a cross, that you'd be devoted or at least marginally christian. hmmm :-) nice to see you posting...

i used to...not any more...the need to communicate well in English is quite overbearing :dozey:

:P :P that doesn't explain why so many others on here are into eastenders!

i guess i'm being too hyperbolic about my criticizm...but as you say, i too had heard so many good things about it...guess it really zoomed my expectations, but alas...it wasn't all that great... :D

:cool: i'm not saying i've been to italy...just saying i wanna go there. been to france, and it was some of the happiest time of my life...that 1 month! :cool:

Citizen Kane it was a horrible movie :stunned: everyone i ever talk to says something like 'it's the best movie ever made' and about how so many good directors got inspired to start their careers after watching this movie... i don't know what they saw...i guess it wasrevolutionary in its time. but if it were made the same way today, i would flop out in no time! :dozey:

:cool: don't feel compelled to hug me back, sweetie :lol: (((((((((Sammie))))))))))) :D

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nah...not as many as i'd like to have been to by now! canada is on the list! :wideeyed: i visited paris and SW france years and years ago...time for another visit there too! :cool: and definitely to germany, austria, poland, and northern italy! :D ohhh and also Buenos Aires/Argentina, many places in India, and so much more....the list is long! :embarrased:

umm yeah...they're both English...but the forsyte saga is produced by WGBH in Boston.

:) :cool: *hugs liquid girlie*

:dozey: nevermind and anyways, i am all for letting women decide if they want abortion...if they do, they should have it. it's nobody else's business!!

:dozey: nevermind and anyways, i am all for letting women decide if they want abortion...if they do, they should have it. it's nobody else's business!!

yeah...well...that's your choice. but i doubt you would actually even get pregnant w/out first getting married...or planning on getting married :confused:

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

:cool: :cool: personally, i'd rather teens not going to church but still having good sense of not getting laid and pregnant compared to pregnant teens giving birth to kids they can't handle but doing so only 'cuz their religion wouldn't allow abortion :confused: