brandon313

mrcool, i supported ron paul due to his stance on corporate campaign donations.

well i look at the third party candidate and i ask ,"would i want this man to be president?" and in the case of Bob Barr i say no. I do not agree at all with libertarian views. I believe it is an outdated way of thinking and impractical in a global society.

we have had socialism here in the US for years and nobody seems to realize this...."Obama is a socialist!!" newsflash, anyone who uses social security is a socialist

i can honestly say i am ready to fight. Its only a matter of time in my opinion. Im already on a navy career path after college, and with a glance at China's growing navy, this could be a real naval war coming up.

Obama isnt the only one in bed with these guys you know

i was only for this plan because i felt that we needed a "band-aid" if you will to relieve the stress on the stock market in the short term, providing less pain while fixing the PROBLEMS for the long term. Alot of people who were anti-bill were so strictly out of ideology, which is rediculous. Too many people dont understand that this isnt a "punish wall st for their greediness" scenario, this is regular tax paying families losing thier retirements, houses, everything scenario. THAT is why i was pro-bill. Plus the actual projected cost to FIX the problem was 14 trillion so 700 billion was always going to be short term. However the bill had ALOT of problems with it, one of the biggest being that there, again, were no regulations on anything, and that Paulson had complete discretion on which "toxic debts" he chose to buy, AND would not be held accountable if things worsened. What needs to be done is a full scale FIX of what caused the housing bubble. And we have to get away from the "American dream that EVERYONE can own a house and not afford it" mentality. Many feel as though this free fall we are in right now will actually level out once the NASDAQ hits around 1,000, (where it was when the housing bubble first started). Letting these companies go into bankruptcy punishes those who deserved to lose everything in the first place, instead of a majority MAKING money (as they would have under the proposed bill) Dont get me wrong, SOMETHING must be done to relieve the stress on the stock market and restore investor confidence. That is one of the biggest problems here, is that its not JUST the high risk investors who are on track to lose everything, its also regular joes with their 401(k)'s tied into the stock market....It is the RESPONSIBILITY of the government to do something to help those innocent Americans caught in the middle of this. I will await the second bill that looks to be in the making. Hopefully it is better because we need one hell of a band aid if we are going to get out of this without some serious pain.

i hope none of you folks have 401k's because those are about to go *poof* who really wants to retire anyway? The sad thing here is that 1 trillion dollars for this war in Iraq is considered acceptable. We tax payers pay for that as well, just so you all know.

wow ,hundreds of accredited economists say you cannot pin this mess down to one a single problem, but i see you can! You should let them know that you have figured the whole thing out!

didnt get to see the game because i was working but all i have to say is.... LEBENSLANG GRUN UND WEISS

wall street tends to bet on the candidate most likely to win

"Sen. McCain has recieved $169,000 from the mortgage companies and their affiliates. Two of the top contributors -- Freddie Mac's board member Geoffrey T. Boisi and Fannie Mae lobbyist Richard F. Hohlt -- are listed on Mccain's website as bundlers who've raised between $100,000-$250,000 for McCain. (A sidebar in the Times lists McCain's top donors connected to the mortgage companies.)" Obama, still bad but not quite as bad.... "Sen. Obama has recieved $123,850 from the Fannie and Freddie's employees and PACs since coming in office. Even though Obama has only been in the Senate since 2005" those Mccain numbers you were listing were grossly understated.... also Mccain recieved $293,010 ($366,035 since 1989) from Merril Lynch

well we can either have bad inflation or we can lose everything and not be able to afford retirement....personally ill take the latter. 401k's are tied into the stock market, which is tied into these huge corporations. I dont like it anymore than you do, buying out rich cunts who make bad decisions, but im not willing to suffer the consequences of THEIR actions. Basically you are saying to just go ahead and let this meltdown happen? well have fun with that, that is just idealism and not reality, simply a normative view of real economic situations.

EVERYONE WITH A BRAIN is advocating these bailouts...True Capitalism reall sucks for average people, because yes the ship does right intself in the long run, but in the words of Keynes, "in the long run we are all dead" so the government must intervene out of responsibility to the people. We will have spent more on the Iraq war than on this bailout and people are bitching? We will have accomplished nothing in long term strategic goals and will have spent 1 trillion dollars to do it. Even the most "hardcore capitalists" are advocating this buyout because they know that 90% of Americans would lose most if not all of their savings if this meltdown was allowed to go ahead. Im all for punishing businesses who make bad decisions, but when their fate is intertwined with mine and the rest of the nation's i will just go ahead and advocate the buyout, which is what virtually the entire economic community has done.

Mrcool, i do not dissagree with what youa re saying about campaign financing. Absolutely true, in the end, both candidates will do what they can to help the big guys who got them elected. However, to say that the Democrats support the destruction of the constitution because of their voting for the Iraq war is flawed at best. If they had been told, "we are going to claim that they had a hand in 9/11 and they definitely have WMD's, but since that isnt true at all and we KNOW its not true, we are going to say we want to free the people of tyranny" and then they voted on the issue, then okay i could agree that everyone had an equal hand in allowing that to happen. However when you are suckered in with false intelligence (ahmed chalabi) and told that the reasons for going to war were "this" and they ended up being "that", no way am i going to hold them AS responsible as the liars who thought it up. Also, if they are both big business candidates, then really the only things the American people have to fight over are idealistic issues. Such as religion in the white house, abortion, etc. Those are the things that most people are going to care about and that is where the candidates truly differ. I look at one side who wants to force their religious views upon my family and i, I look at one side who wants to tell my family and i that, though her daughter had a choice in deciding whether or not to keep her child, my family will not have that same choice because the governing individuals believe it to be wrong. I look at one side who still supports things like the Iraq war and current foreign policy, full yknowing their flaws, and which are obviously not viewed favorably by the American people. I will never vote for a ticket with Mccain, who sold his soul for this election (used to be a pretty decent guy, standing up for whwat he believed in) and a rediculously hardcore right winger like Palin. Another issue is how quickly Americans forget...28% approval rating for Bush, and then Palin, who looks to be Bush's twin sister, comes along and envigorates the Mccain campaign and wins over all these women voters!? Its REDICULOUS, have you even been living here the last 8 years i ask???(to these poeple) Bush took over the economy which was soaring higher than ever before and has left it in absolute and utter shambles. The average American is far worse off now than before, average wage is down, unemployment is up, people think that drilling in Alaska is going to have a significant effect on gas prices, etc. Personally i think that if you voted for Bush the first term and then voted against him second term, okay honest mistake, but if you are one of the folks responsible for putting him in the White house for a second term after seeing how the first went, you should get passed up for your vote this year. "Im sorry, but you have proven yourself incapable of rational thought and have therefore forfeited your right to vote for President of the United States." Of course i dont actually believe that, but it is people like that, that make me recant my statements about the Electoral College. Previously i had stated that the average American was smart enough to make an educated decision regarding the office of Commander in Chief, however, following the last eight years i have rethought that, and 100% support the Electoral College.

the Georgians asked for a ceasefire but it remains to be seen whether or not the Russians will agree to it, right now they are pushing for an unconditional withdrawal of Georgian forces and are positioning the black sea fleet to support the Abkhazian separatists who are planning to enter this fight....i imagine by tomorrow Russia will be pressured into this ceasefire by international opinion, but if they dont....this could get very interesting