dr_ross

Firstly, if you find it difficult writing songs then you probably shouldn't do it. Like any art it's a natural process which is only hindered by rigorous structuring. Secondly, if you TRY and write a song, nothing will happen. The best ideas come when you're not thinking about them. Keep a notebook on you at all times, then when a flash of inspiration comes just jot it down, that's the best advice I can give.

personally i just want them to do everything that they haven't done before. once i hear something that sounds familiar i'll be disappointed.

mine hasn't come :(

it certainly isn't particularly innovative

Oh yeah, we're supposed to be arguing about that D# aren't we?! hahahahahahahaha. Whoops. Went a bit off track...

YES YES YES! Thats it! The same problem occurs when naming chords. Guitarists generally learn one name for a chord, when in actuality the names change. C7 for example is only called that in the key of F major for example, etc... Well done for spotting our main downfall.

Oh dear. I accidentally listened to VH 51 times in a row.

ya, but the tonal centre isn't E. So it's either C#minor NATURAL Or Emajor Aeolian. In the classical training I've had, a minor key is always signalled by the raised minor seventh, otherwise it is considered a Major mode. (hence my presumption we were talking melodic/harmonic)

even on that site it says about raising the 6th and 7th notes! me win.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_scale ignore the wikipedia bit!

or 'Mistakes in music theory'

"It depends on the mood of the song" !!!!!!!! Technical! me win.

Well, when i'm talking minor i always assume at least a sharpened 7th to differentiate. In this case there isn't one so the natural assumption would be E major Aeolian mode. And I was taught that by professionals! Apart from the piano teacher, he crashed into trees. And angry sex is fine.

Then where's the C????:laugh3: C# natural minor is the answer. Let's let this lie. And now move on to the fact that it's mastered too loud. It is really compressed, you can really hear it on the cymbals, but it is really punchy, which X&Y wasn't.

You're my favourite.

Erm, I proved the C natural in C#minor problem. I await sex, etc...

I'd agree with that, a nice middle ground. This is like being in the UN.

BRING IT ON BABY!

Harmonic minor scale has a raised 7th. Melodic scale has a raised 6th and 7th. No? You could argue we were in the Natural minor...

Someone find me a C natural in the main melody or harmony and i'll shut up.

There is a difference between how things sound and their true keys. If this song was in the key of C#minor then a B# (C natural) would be present. In this song it is a B natural. The chord of G#minor would thus become G#major if the song was truly in C#minor. Instead the song is in E major, but in the Aeolian mode. The scale starts on the 6th note of the scale: C#. In this instance the scale is C# D# E F# G# A B C#. IMHO. Or we could start a lively Harmonic/Melodic scale debate. That would be great!

We're not in the key of C#minor at all. It's E major. I don't believe augmented 4th is the accepted term. It's more commonly labelled diminished 5th. He doesn't go 'in and out the key' at all. It's all in E. The only things not in key are those descending semitone power chords. There's no double flatting involved. All that's correct is that D# is the double flat of F. Not that F bears any relevance to the song at all. In the case of the song, the D# is the leading note of the scale, so if we were being picky, the argument would be that the D# doesn't resolve up to E in this phrase. But then again, the song doesn't have a tonal centre of E, so why would it need to? Then we'd get into a whole other argument, etc, etc, name calling, etc. Yawn. Oh, and I don't see what's wrong with that C#major scale either, if ya wanna argue about that for a bit? Anyone?

totally agreed.

Yes, because the song was actually in C#major wasn't it? C# D# E# F# G# A# B# C#....so they just flatted the 3rd for the hell of it....completely unrelated keys.....oh god I don't even want to start. I'm sorry. you're completely right and all my points are moot. i know nothing about music. all my enthusiasm has been well and truly flattened. FLATTENED?

marry me