Alice

Yeah me too.

Shhhhhhh :kiss:

Amen to all the last posts since mine. I'm regaining hope in people. haha I hope this whole debate will help pro-torture people to finally change their mind !

Yey !! Nooooooooooooooooooooo. :( The problem is that you're looking at it from the wrong angle. If my child was kidnapped, of course I'd do whatever it takes to ensure their safety BUT I'm no state authority ! And that's where the big difference is. It very important to make sure that the police, the judges, etc aren't personnally involved in whatever case they're trying to resolve. Otherwise it would lead to impartiality. Same with Bin Laden #2. And I realise what the consequences can be. But nothing justifies torture, not even Bin Laden. The people that torture people (even if they say it is for their country, to save lives, etc) are criminals to me. They are no better than terrorists themselves. Who do they think they are to do that? And then they'll claim you must condemn torture and murders but how do they do that? In doing the exact same thing. They should just end up in prison like the criminals themselves. There. You said it yourself ! "Nearly positive". That means you can never be completely positive. The point is, the tortured person would be tortured because they'd pretend not to know the information the police wants. How can you know they know it for sure from there? I understand that in many cases, it can appear as completely obvious but I've seen cases where absolutely everything seemed to be evidence against someone but then some new element came into the picture and showed they were innocents after all. Then you can tell me that the person could be like "I know the information you want but I won't tell you". As unnerving as it can be, I think you still need to keep trying to obtain this information without any torture. And if you don't obtain it in the end then be it. You'd have done all that was in your power to obtain it. Torture shouldn't even considered an option. You can't resolve violence with violence. And anyway, nothing guarantees that torture would "work". Some terrorists are willing to die to kills others so I don't see how they wouldn't be willing to be tortured as well. Some would probably still lie under torture. And think of the actual acts of torture, like what Greg pointed out. Imagine the people that do it. Do you think you could live with yourself after doing such horrible things? Do you think those people are good people? They personnally disgust me.

One last thing I'd really be interesting in knowing, have anyones opinions changed throughout the thread? :)

It feels like I'm coming after the battle and with nothing more to say since all the points I could have made have been made by others already but I'm still going to give my opinion. :disappointed: haha I couldn't be more against it. I think no exception can be made, ever. A human being should never ever be tortured, that is as simple as that. And I'm quite shocked that most people here don't see that and seem to be naïve enough to think that torture could ever be controlled. Extreme circumstances? What a joke !! That's such a subjective and dangerous notion. And anyway, we're talking about official action, authorities action done in the state name ! I can't understand how can some people not see how wrong it would be to allow torture regarding fondamental and basic dignity principles. That is beyond me. Also, Mike, you said you thought it would be ok if it was done in extreme circumstances AND towards someone that would surely be guilty. Well, that is technically impossible. You can't even always be certain of the guiltyness of a person after a trial so how could anybody be sure when the torture would happen since it would be to obtain evidence of crime, in the investigation phase, when the person is only suspected !

This. :dead: One down, 7 left. Shoot me now. :bigcry:

Hmm I'd say keep working on your voice cause you really have a great potential, all is there left to do now is improving it a bit technically to make sure you always hit the right note. But like I said, it has really improved already ! Other than that it'd be easier to judge if the recording quality was better so I'd suggest improving that if you can. :p As for my favourites : - Winter's Chill. Definitely. Amazing track Mike. - Lost within. I like the rough feeling that both your voice and the piano deliver. And I'm so impressed that you created that piano melody :stunned:. Fuck, that makes me feel so talentless haha!

"Washed Out's debut album Within and Without, due July 12 from Sub Pop in the U.S. and Weird World/Domino internationally, has a pretty, um, eye-catching cover." That's the least we could say yeah. I'm personnally loving this smoking hot cover. Have you heard the new track? [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arfauoVF6aM]YouTube - Washed Out - Eyes Be Closed (HD)[/ame] Enjoyable track but I expected something more. We'll see what the rest of the album has to offer !

Hey, I just listened to basically all of this and I think it's really good. Besides, I remember seeing of video of you quite a long time ago and it really seems like your voice improved a lot since then ! :nice: This was all really nice to listen to. Oh and I'm also impressed by your piano skills (probably guitar skills as well but it's harder to tell for me).

Ah finally some people agreeing with me ! *high five* Yeah I've seen that before. Well, fuck Thom Yorke. :phu: To go back on topic too, I don't know whether i'm gonna vote for B or C either. I'm sure not gonna vote for A though. The choice is being a hard one because none of the lists is really satisfying me. Damn, I should have made one :disappointed:.

Julia it really sounds to me like he likes you. Whenever you have the chance to, you should go and speak to him as much as possible ! I mean, he wouldn't have been insisting on saying he likes you that much and everytime he sees you if he didn't mean it at least a little ! So basically FUCKING GO FOR IT :wacky: wacky: !!! haha

:wacky: Nah it doesn't sound weird. There are people you only get to see when going out and most people are at least tipsy then ! So you met a guy like that...? :tongue: How much do you know him? And what did he tell you when being drunk? Sorry I'm too curious :shy:, don't answer if you don't want to. haha

Awwww. Well, I think they usually mean what they say. They might exagerate it a bit but that's about it. Actually you tend to say what you really think when you're drunk because you don't think too much. Actually no. Sometimes this is not true haha. Fuck, I don't know. :freak: You also tend to do things you wouldn't do (and wouldn't want to do) when you're drunk. Like, kissing people you don't even really like just because you feel like it at the moment. That is strange. Though I don't think you can do or says things that you absolutely don't wanna do or don't mean.

Haha maybe I got a little carried away :lol:. I can see why you thought I was being close minded or something. Of course everyone can like what they want and it's true it's all subjective. I know that and I respect everyone's opinion. :P

*Throws stones at head* !!! At least you chose the only F&TM song I like. But I don't see how it could be linked to Fog. Really I don't understand how people could prefer the piano version to the studio version of Fog. Not that I find Fog (Again) bad, I just think the studio version is a millions times better and the piano version version somehow removes all that makes the song so great. Like, this feeling you get when you listen to it. As if you'd be getting through clouds or something. And all is muffled around. And this progression in the song. Like something that is slowly waking up and getting more and more intense. You can't hear it at all in the piano version. It just ruins it.

Yeah, I thought the same when I saw on the news Obama's speech saying justice was finally made. No wonder the USA still have the death penalty. Death = justice in their minds.

No. I basically never buy any cds.

Fog is so amazing it kills me that most people only know that useless piano version. :angry:

My life is a nightmare right now. :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry:

According to last.fm : [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d7KaWxbTEU]YouTube - The Drums-Submarine[/ame] :awesome:

Send it to me then !

I learned that an uncensored version of the Picture of Dorian Gray is now available to buy. I didn't even know that Oscar Wilde had been forced to re-write the most "shocking" parts of the novel to get it published.

Hahaha ! Poor Sam, he doesn't even know his face is being posted on the internet. :lol: Fuuuuck the missing legs make that picture even more scary (if that was even possible haha) ! xD That's awesome though. That last picture makes me wanna lie down there in the sun too. :)

I don't get the last one. :thinking: Wtf is it for?