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hi lea!

i love that song!

noooooo u only like durim!

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:lol: :lol: guess i helped you out in that Mel Gibson Passion thread! :sneaky: :idea2:

I was eating when i read that :/ awww i'm sorry about that! :/

and, all the same, you tell me of women who were great painters or great architects or writers that came from the catholic church. you'll find that women don't fill these occupations either. which is unfortunate.

:lol: :lol: you're comparing one bad thing with another...all organized religions have been bad for a vast majority of humans! :confused: :/ only the leading 'lights' of these religions have profited. i'm not condoning hinduism or buddhism either. but at least there are no popes or kings that tell their people to fight a war in the name of religion...they're more humanistic. but, all the same, in the name of religion, hindus have caste system which is as bad as anything out there. :confused: :/

no, i already know it was meant to be sarcastic and ironic. but your sarcasm and irony falls on its face, for you can't even stand up for religion! no, we don't need religion to be our guiding light as a society... but yes, we still do need doctors, schools, civic society... the two are disjointed!

except for queen elizabeth of england, i can't think of any right now. Actually, there's the queen of Jhansi (she's well-respected and well-renowned for her courage in India). these two women for sure started their own wars. as to why others didn't...you have only to look at the society. church doesn't even allow women priests even now, right? women didn't play important role in society, not just in war... but the few examples that are out there, those women DID bring up God as their reason to fight... wasn't the fear of catholic takeover that prompted elizabeth to fight? or may be it's vice-versa...but there was definitely religion as the motive...

no, i only wondered that because you went into various societal limbs (schools, doctors, civic society etc.) and said we don't need those, either, 'cuz i seemed--to you--to say that we don't need religion. So to me, you came out saying that either we have the church or we have nothing. And i don't agree with it. Church has organized society in helpful ways but it has also caused problems, and there can be no getting away from that blame...it rests squarely on the shoulders of chruch hiercharcy. how can you say that it can't be blamed when in fact past popes have been glorified for declaring war and fighting war!? ummm yeah...I doubt there is a buddhist 'pope' and a buddhist treasury that sends well-endowed missionaries abroad to teach people about love, or rather force-feed them the same... :rolleyes:

and umm....Joan of Arc was a woman that fought quite well... and there are many other women too in history. they just seem to be sidelined by male history writers, i guess... :D :P one terrific example is the women of Sparta who not only would give up their male children to state military schools at the young age of 7, but would also demand that during war, their kids better come back winners or don't come back at all!! the few deserters were spitted upon by their own mothers...

love? religions do talk of brotherly love etc. they all do. not one exception to it. then why is there blood spilt in the name of this love? one religion's name itself means "peace", yet i can tell you countless histories of how unpeaceful its followers have been toward people of other religion. :rolleyes: and people of another religion seem to think only they have authority of how love should be and if you don't accept their love, you start to get attacked by all sorts of unscrupulus means... :rolleyes:

apparently, most wars that i can think of have been fought over land and religion.... you should read "2000 years of disbelief" and you will get some idea about how revolting some of the religious wars have been...

whoa...Kasia, you seem to think that only religion and Catholic Church can bring any good to society. What has it brought to humans in the last 2000 years? wars and endless wars? Inquisitions? disease to native americans? don't get me wrong...religion has its place. just not at the top of the matters. and i don't get your reference to buddhist monks :huh: what is that about? there is no correlation to what i said and to having no buddhist monks! :rolleyes:

that's all true, Kasia. But apparently, all though history, 'God' seems to be the reason people have gone to war, committed savage crimes, and all the other things. Why can't people once and for all just leave God to every individual...let them do their own thinking and come to their own conclusions instead of trying to get people convinced about your own ideas of how it was or how it will be if you don't accept a story... i'm all for people to be spiritual and Godly, in their own personal ways. I know I try to be that way... i dunno...i guess one could say to me "who are you to dictate to me how i should or should not talk about god"...so i guess i'll just lay low now on this issue... :D :P

soo....nobody else liked this movie?

:) hi ya Kasiaaaa :-) :kiss: ((((((((((((Kasia)))))))))))) and how are you?

cynics unite? is there an ulterior agenda to this?? :stunned: :sneaky: :lol: :lol: <<< born cynic!

why only 10 more minutes of boredom? :huh: i'm okay...just stuffed up in the throat with cough/phlagm! :dozey: want to be less bored...go to the Mel Gibson's Passion thread...it's exciting there! :D :P

:lol: :lol: :lol: i love garlic also. i use it in some curries...plus, it's good for your heart!

Funny stuff. I want to see this movie, just to see how Gibson filmed it and to see if all the events are portrayed accurately. and how would you know if the events are "accurate"? I mean, you would fall back on your own interpretation of what the Bible has to say about all those events, right? what's more, most of the churches don't even follow the christianity or the teachings as they were taught by christ and followed up until 4th century. There is a growing literature on the Gnostics, for example. There also is a new best-selling book written by a Harvard prof. of theology that says that the gospel of St. Thomas was side-lined and the one of St. Paul came to be dominant, but that the one of St. Thomas is actually how christianity was during the time of Christ himself. I'm fascinated by all this, 'cuz many of the teachings of Gnostics, and even the gospel of St. Thomas talk about God and humans in much the same ways as Hinduism (and to some extent Buddhism) do..."cut a tree, and I am there; split a rock, and I am there!" God is not in some heaven, He is omnipresent, and that humans are not sinners but are beings at lower levels of consciousness, that by raising our self-consciousness through prayer and such, we could have our own direct relationship with God! You don't need a pope or a church for that! apparently, this vision ran counter to the political/power hungry elite among the christians of 4th century who went about killing and side-linging the main kings/leaders that supported the gospel of St. Thomas, and replaced these with the ones who supported the papacy and gospel of St. Paul... I would recommend everyone interested in watching this movie to also watch another movie: Stigmata. That movie came out a few years ago and it raised lots of hackels among the establishment church and was obviously hushed up and given no marketing....if you notice, the effect and power of establishment chruch is omnipresent...in the name of a God that's apparently ruling us from afar...

((((((((((((((Fiiiiiiii))))))))))))))))))))) :kiss: Hello dear! how are you?

oh i love having onions in my usually spicy food...it brings out more tastes! but i would NEVER have my mouth smelling of onions...or of anything, for that matter, if/when i am on a date or spending an evening among friends... that'd just be uncouth to have smelly breath! :dozey:

milf? :huh: