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as you said, people have always believed in something supernatural...so why do you want them to hear about your god? why can't you "live and let live"? Nobody, as far as I can tell, ever asked a Christian to give up worshipping Christ or tell a Christian that bible is false and jesus is 'demon'! :rolleyes:

you don't get it, do you? :rolleyes: most people are happy in their own beliefs and their own religions. and if they're not, they would read up on bible and your 'God' and then convert and not be 'pagan' anymore. I'm happy to be 'pagan' or 'heathen' and happy to go to hell according to your close-minded beliefs. but i'm sad and mad when you try and convert me or my co-religionists who don't want to hear about your 'god'... do you get it? that's why there are always these religious wars...people resent it when you tell them that what they believe in is 'false' or 'demon worship'. :angry: and i told you...bible says many other things...so why don't they follow all those things? why do they have a treaty to not try and spread the word about their 'God' to Jews? Why do they not go to Mecca and try to convert the Muslims there?

no, not me personally. but i've read articles quoting bible to the exact reference (book, page, verse, etc.) so i know it's true that the bible allows keeping slaves and demands and gays be put to death. In fact, slavery in America continued until 1860s because the white slave-holders in the South even taught their slaves that it was correct to be owned! many white in the South felt they did no wrong in moral terms by owning slaves...because they could quote the bible on it... and no, you can't say it's all on interpretation. you have to judge people by their acts, not by what their interpretation is or what they base their acts on. Many muslims said the 9/11 terrorists weren't real muslims 'cuz Quran doesn't allow terrorism...but the fact is, all 19 terrorists thought of themselves as devout Muslims who were acting in the name of islam. Same goes to many other Christian events in history... and no, don't keep saying this is a 'fight' and wondering who will 'win' it...i dont see this as a win or lose. rather, i'm getting to know your thinking on religion...and it's quite interesting.... :D

ummm yeah...when missionaries come with medicines and schools and money, and tell people how to pray and whom to pray, and to change their names and their age-old customs, then they don't have a choice. you don't see these missions in rich countries so much as you see them in poor lands...where people are easy to "harvest"...it's like Al Queda going and recruiting terrorists among the poor muslims 'cuz they are easy to brain-wash! it's simple...you're indoctrinated to think that the god of jesus, as written in bible, is the only true 'God'...all Gods of other religions are 'false' 'gods' with small 'g'... i don't mind that you believe in that, but to me, it comes off as rude and to others, it comes off as bigotry, as obviously, nobody for sure knows whose version of 'God' or whose sacret texts are 'right', so to speak...

yeah...that's called bible-thumping, and it's very irritating to those who don't want it. bible says many other things, not just that the gospels be spread. if we all follow what the bible says, we'll be living in a completely different society where gays are killed and slaves are kept, etc... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: moreoever, Rome has explicit treaty with Israel to not send missionaries to convert the Jews. Similarly, the missionaries are not allowed into Saudi Arabia. To me, they are like parasite...you host them and then they take over your society! :angry: in one state in india, the missionaries are even providing arms to people whom they converted (and who now feel that they need to break away from india!)...and don't tell me you don't accept these because many media reports are out there on forcible conversions... i wouldn't mind reproducing many of them on here...

and oh..it's in the German musical Tanz der Vampire, where it's a duet sung by Krolock and Sarah....but it's originally from Steinman's 1983 song sung by Bonnie Tyler.

i've seen your web site before...few months ago. but now i don't know the URL anymore. :( and yep, i thot it was nice too, when i saw it. specially the pics!

i love that song! turn around bright eyes every now and then I fall apart :D And I need you now tonight And I need you more than ever And if you only hold me tight We'll be holding on forever And we'll only be making it right Cause we'll never be wrong together We can take it to the end of the line Your love is like a shadow on me all of the time I don't know what to do and I'm always in the dark We're living in a powder keg and giving off sparks I really need you tonight Forever's gonna start tonight Forever's gonna start tonight Once upon a time I was falling in love But now I'm only falling apart There's nothing I can do A total eclipse of the heart Once upon a time there was light in my life But now there's only love in the dark Nothing I can say A total eclipse of the heart sob song...i love it though! :cry:

:lol: :lol: :lol: the first vote is mine! :sneaky: :D :P

:lol: :lol: yep...that one!

hey Deniseeeeeee!! :-) *hugs* ohhh..it's just about this movie that's coming out soon here in the States...produced and directed by Mel Gibson. It's called the Passion of The Christ...and i guess it's controversial on many points and then the topic moved on just to religion and society... :D :P i guess it's controversial to talk about religion anyways... so we should stop... :)

and i, for one, definitely am a believer in the brotherhood of humanity that Beethoven talked about in his 9th symphony...

hon, i'm not saying don't give a damn about religion. i'm saying it should be your own private matter as to which god you pray to. and there shouldn't be all this craze about trying to convert the whole world to your own way of thinking...that leads to religious wars. and what do u mean by "believe in God, gods or goddesses..." what's the difference between the capital 'God' and the other 'god' or 'goddess'? i don't get it...

i don't care if preachers preach to those who want to listen. i do care when they use propaganda, fear, and their money power to gain converts. that's not spirituality, not at least in my books. but in the name of spreading religion, that's what these preachers are doing all around the world. it's almost as if they treat spreading religion as a business...which is a mokery of everything that these folks are supposed to stand for. in the past, it was about the competition between whose church spire was the tallest (to attract more folks to their own chruch) or whose church had the biggest reliquery. now, it's about whose church can gain the most converts in the third world. so you have some people in places like kashmir that get baptized one week by Catholics in exchange for a job; the next week, they baptize with Baptists who offer money... saddest part is when the missionaries hold out on basic medicines, ask the illeterates to pray first to their god in which case nothing happens...then they ask them to pray to jesus and then give them the cheap medicine which cures them and later the whole village converts in the belief that jesus is their savior! and don't think i'm pulling this out of thin air...lots of such cases out there. it's not religion, it's something else altogether!

margaret thatcher of u.k, against argentina indira gandhi of india, against west pakistan (to free east pakistan which is not bangladesh) :-) can't think of any others. don't know if golda mier of israel started any wars or not... anyways, we can go on and on about this...

even an uptight news organization like NPR calls him 'A-Rod' rather than his full name! :lol:

oh been okay...got cought/sore throat etc... but had a good v-day weekend...lol nobody wished me but i still had fun! :D

yeah...someone out there! :sneaky:

hmmm?

deniseeeeeeeeeee long time no see! *hugsssssssss*

:)

did i say i'd like to get laid before i die? :huh:

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Mel? oh no....! not Mel! :confused: :/

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