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Here's an interesting article: Coldplay and Satriani: Similar features, but that's all > Posted by Sean Piccoli on December 10, 2008 at 6:48 PM Even if guitarist Joe Satriani has a dead-to-rights claim against Coldplay, he should drop it and get on with making music. His point is well-taken about the similarities between his 2004 song, If I Could Fly, and Coldplay's current, globe-trotting hit, Viva La Vida. Leave Coldplay to explain the likeness and let listeners decide whether it even matters. The lawsuit that Satriani filed last week only fouls the air and makes musicians in general second-guess themselves. The current copyright regime already produces enough fear, intimidation and silencing of artistry. That Satriani is the smaller, slighted party (David) and big bad, Grammy-nominated Coldplay (Goliath) has enough money to hire whole law firms isn't the point. The issue is why punish copying and its kin - borrowing, quotation, imitation, repetition, fair use and creative license - in music-making. It might seem like a paradox, but copying is crucial to music's diversity. Somebody takes a fragment of an existing song, adapts it and extends it, and in the process creates something new, which in turn becomes a starting point for another innovation. African chants begat American slave songs which begat blues which begat jazz and rock. Gospel begat soul which begat funk which begat hip-hop. Now, one could argue that Coldplay did nothing to advance music by duplicating (innocently or not) features of a four-year-old Satriani track. That's the shortsighted view. Picking two songs in isolation and litigating their resemblances only serves the interests of lawyers and copyright holders. It also discourages creation based on copying and turns music appreciation into a game of gotcha. So what if Red Hot Chili Peppers' Dani California sounds like Tom Petty's Mary Jane's Last Dance? I can name at least a dozen rock, pop and reggae songs that use a particular root/major fifth/minor sixth/major fourth turnaround chord progression. Does that make me a witness to a crime? It's one thing if somebody knowingly steals a composition, records it first and reaps the benefits before the real author has had the chance to do the same. That's outright theft and it ought to be stopped, and the court system is set up to prove or disprove that kind of claim. All Coldplay did was repeat a melody and a chord progression that already had been composed, recorded and in circulation for four years. It's possible Coldplay did so without realizing it. It's also possible they knew the Satriani song -- though they say they didn't -- and decided they were improving on the basic elements enough to call it their own composition. That should be allowed without the threat of litigation. It's not the job of a songwriter to police his own work for legally actionable similarities to someone else's -- indeed, the whole legal apparatus that exists to scare songwriters away from repetition is fundamentally flawed. And this culture is far too consumed with the thought that somebody is stealing something from me - my song, my screenplay, my business plan, my spouse, whatever - and is making a fortune off of me and having the good life that should have been mine. Give it a rest. http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/features/arts/music/blog/2008/12/coldplay_v_satriani_similar_fe.html

I suppose this is one of those areas that could potentially be redefined by this case.

Should it be considered a derivative though, if they arrived at the same melody through their own means?

I posted this on the other thread but I say it here again since it doesn't seem like you are keeping track of the other one. Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by coldplagiarism;2682007 if I were them would be just release a statement saying that this was an accident, but considering the almost identical use of music, Satriani will be added as a co-writer and thus share in the royalties. Everyone would come out of this fine and Coldplay would not look like arrogant pop stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Coldplaygiarism - I don't think you're a troll and I appreciate your thoughts, however coming here with that name and artwork was a bit much. You bring up an interesting issue; Coldplay may be liable even if they came up with the melody completely on their own, which however unbelievable that may be given the similarities, is a possibility. You can't blame Coldplay for reacting the way they have if this is the case. Imagine being accused of a crime you didn't commit. I don't think it would be correct to add someone as a co-writer and share royalties if they didn't in fact help write the song, even if this would be the easier route to take. If this were to happen, they would basically be admitting they were at fault and took from the song without permission, forever damaging their image and being labled as thieves by the general public. As some have said earlier, it will be interesting to see what happens, especially with the potential ramifications this case may have on copyright laws.

Coldplaygiarism - I don't think you're a troll and I appreciate your thoughts, however coming here with that name and artwork was a bit much. You bring up an interesting issue; Coldplay may be liable even if they came up with the melody completely on their own, which however unbelievable that may be given the similarities, is a possibility. You can't blame Coldplay for reacting the way they have if this is the case. Imagine being accused of a crime you didn't commit. I don't think it would be correct to add someone as a co-writer and share royalties if they didn't in fact help write the song, even if this would be the easier route to take. If this were to happen, they would basically be admitting they were at fault and took from the song without permission, forever damaging their image and being labled as thieves by the general public. As some have said earlier, it will be interesting to see what happens, especially with the potential ramifications this case may have on copyright laws.

6 difficult finals were really too much, but it doesn't matter now because I'm DONE!!!

Did the solution to that problem have to be so complicated? You could just have said: y = x*x^(1/2) = x^(3/2) y' = (3/2)*x^(1/2) Don't even need to use chain rule Edit:NVM just looked at the previous page with the correct problem statement

It seems to me that most people find it hard to believe that this is a coincidence, most people think they probably sampled it. What gets me is that they all reference the youtube video which does make it seem like Coldplay outright stole the melody, really wish people would do their research and listen to each song individualy.

Gregg Gillis/Girl Talk Interview Have you heard about this whole Coldplay, Joe Satriani controversy? (Joe Satriani is suing Coldplay for lifting a melody from his song "If I Could Fly" and using it in "Viva La Vida") Yeah, yeah, I just saw the Youtube where they, like, compare the two and then overlap them. I thought it sounded great, I was actually just jamming that melody in my head. The combination, I thought too, sounded hilarious and awesome. What do you think? Do you think Coldplay is screwed? Um, I don't know, ya know, I don't know what their defense is going to be. I believe that ... [pause] ... I think if they were really smart they could probably go through the history of music and find various examples of that exact chord progression and variations of it, just like any music, ya know, the rhythm and- Any music you're going to be able to find something similar. Rhythmically it sounds so on point, ya know what I mean? It sounds so similar, but I think you can always make the argument that you can take an element of someone else's music and then build upon that and make something new that's not really creating competition for the source material. It's kind of doing something new with it. And especially with guitar-based music and doing pop, again, I think if their lawyers are on top of it, they would just go through the history of music and they could probably find something with a very similar chord progression. That's where music progress, you know? I don't really believe in the idea of someone really biting or ripping someone off. I think you can just do something new with it, ya know, like an extension of sampling. http://www.collegian.psu.edu/venues/2008/12/11/gregg_gillisgirl_talk_intervie.aspx

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This is slightly worrying: The Satriani track comes from his album "Is There Love in Space?" Some enterprising fans have created "mash-ups" of the songs, overlaying Satriani's guitar playing over the Coldplay tune to indicate that they seem to share similar chord and melodic structures. Intellectual property attorney Oren J. Warshavsky, a New York-based partner with national law firm Baker Hostetler, said Satriani could prevail by proving "striking similarity" between the two compositions. The law would then assume the only explanation for the similarities must be copying rather than coincidence, he said. Additionally, Satriani could point out that his song is already published and widely disseminated, which "may be a more logical and compelling argument" then Coldplay's allegation that this is merely the result of coincidence, he said. A court also could find that Coldplay copied the song unconsciously, Warshavsky said. This issue tripped up balladeer Michael Bolton, who lost a case against the Isley Brothers over their similarly named tunes "Love Is a Wonderful Thing." George Harrison's "My Sweet Lord" also was deemed to be an unconscious copy of the Chiffons' "He's So Fine." But in a complicated legal twist, the former Beatle ultimately ended up as the owner of the Chiffons song. Read the full article at the link: http://ca.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idCATRE4B86V520081210?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0

Coldplay Responds to Infringement Claim Compiled by DAVE ITZKOFF Published: December 9, 2008 Even when the members of Coldplay respond to accusations that they have plagiarized someone’s music, gosh darn it if they aren’t the most polite rock stars in the business. Last week the guitarist Joe Satriani sued the band for copyright infringement, saying that Coldplay had taken “substantial original portions” of his song “If I Could Fly” for its song “Viva la Vida.” In a statement reported by The Associated Press on Tuesday, Coldplay said, “If there are any similarities between our two pieces of music, they are entirely coincidental, and just as surprising to us as to him.” The statement added: “Joe Satriani is a great musician, but he did not write the song ‘Viva la Vida.’ We respectfully ask him to accept our assurances of this and wish him well with all future endeavors.” http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/10/arts/10arts-002.html I like what they say about them being polite.

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