screwing your nation over' date=' tipping off your enemy??? but to some i guess thats not unethical.[/quote']

 

 

oh please... they didn't screw anyone over.... furthermore.... if the govt claims they are only looking at 'suspicious' accounts... well who are they to deem the next person suspcious??? I mean.. really!! So just because my name is Atta, that makes me suspicious??

 

 

thats my point. They aren't just looking at suspicious accounts.. they'll search whichever account they see fit to search... AND thats where I have the problem. Who and what gives them the right to deem someone suspicious... and invade others who are completely innocent's privacy. THATs unethical..... lol

oh please... they didn't screw anyone over.... furthermore.... if the govt claims they are only looking at 'suspicious' accounts... well who are they to deem the next person suspcious??? I mean.. really!! So just because my name is Atta, that makes me suspicious??

 

 

thats my point. They aren't just looking at suspicious accounts.. they'll search whichever account they see fit to search... AND thats where I have the problem. Who and what gives them the right to deem someone suspicious... and invade others who are completely innocent's privacy. THATs unethical..... lol

 

our nation isnt anyone? bottom line is for a buck they hurt their own country. truly sad and what is even more sad is there are a few americans who are defending it......but then again some are totaly agaisnt even doing anything about the terrorist....so it makes sense they'd want to defend this.

when you learn how to spell correctly and use proper grammar, then maybe I can understand what the hell you're saying!! lol :lol:

sorry drinking late at night and no contacts are a problem. Anyways you seem to be ok with newspapers like this hurting our nation for no good reason...its sad.

:wideeyed: you're funny

I think the one crazy is the one who does not care when her nation is hurt. but then again its not surprising

I think the one crazy is the one who does not care when her nation is hurt. but then again its not surprising

 

That just about makes for decent english, but not quite.

:lol:

 

 

blaming a single news organization for the mess and deceit brought on by some admininstration is proposterous!!!!! :lol: come up with a better one....

:lol:

 

 

blaming a single news organization for the mess and deceit brought on by some admininstration is proposterous!!!!! :lol: come up with a better one....

 

It is, but no one is doing that.

^uh... your following quote says otherwise.. lol

 

 

This isnt a question of the goverment having too much power. this has NOTHING to do with that. it has to do with the NYT hurting our nation over something legall and something that was working. the goverment wasnt over stepping its boundries or anything...if it was i'd be all for them telling on it...otherwise there is no point and it ONLY hurts us.

^uh... your following quote says otherwise.. lol

 

never blamed that one newspaper for everything. just for playing a part in hurting the effort to fight terrorism. Camille nice try, but no dice.

same difference... whether they are to blame or 'helped in the blame'-- you're still insituating that they are to blame.... lol

There is more than one way to hurt a nation. Letting your guard down in the name of fighting terrorism is one of them. Especially where the war on terror isn't going to end anytime soon- terrorism is a state of mind, not a nation-state you can defeat. And many of the terrorist cells are home-grown, like in Toronto and London. Any yahoo with a beef can become a terrorist if they want to.

 

Are we going to throw away our rights in fear for the potentially long duration of this war when statistically we should be alot more afraid of drunk driving and cancer? (I'm saying us because this sort of stuff is happening in Canada too, and anything the US does can profoundly affect us.)

 

Someone mentioned D-day, and how it worked because it was a massive secret. Very true. It was also a one-time operation with a definative start and hopeful endpoint.

 

Something else happened during WWII. Something terrible. American citicens were rounded up by the American government and sent to concentration camps on American soil as prisoners of war. Men, women, and children all were uprooted and not even given access to basic things like school for several years.

 

Why? Because they were of Japanese decent.

 

It didn't matter if they were valuble members of their communities. It didn't matter if the last people in their family who even saw Japan or spoke Japanese were their grandparents. Because of their ethnic heritage, they were the enemy.

 

Sure, it saved many lives. It's safe to say that quite a few of the people who were rounded up were sympathetic with the Japanese during the war and may have tried something. It was (arguably) effective. Just like some of the crap that the government is pulling now.

 

But how many innocent lives were destroyed in the process out of fear? Having been taught about that incident as a little girl, about how it was the shame of a nation, I had always hoped that we were smart enough now not to let something like that happen again. Are we willing to go back there again, just with a different enemy?

 

Are we any better than that? I sure hope so, but it doesn't look like it.

 

Letting people at least know what was going on so that we have the chance to ask questions BEFORE it gets that bad is a good place to start.

 

I can't believe I'm standing up for the NYT- I can't stand them, but in this case I think they did the right thing. It would do alot more harm to let things go on without at least stopping for a moment and asking a couple of questions first.

same difference... whether they are to blame or 'helped in the blame'-- you're still insituating that they are to blame.... lol

 

They are part to blame for hurting the nations efforts to stop and catch terrorism for no good reason.....its truly sad that some people are ok with that. its hurting your nation and you dont seem to give a damn. like i said i could understand if the goverment was doing something illegal or wrong and was told on, but in this case that is not the case.

There is more than one way to hurt a nation. Letting your guard down in the name of fighting terrorism is one of them. Especially where the war on terror isn't going to end anytime soon- terrorism is a state of mind, not a nation-state you can defeat. And many of the terrorist cells are home-grown, like in Toronto and London. Any yahoo with a beef can become a terrorist if they want to.

 

Are we going to throw away our rights in fear for the potentially long duration of this war when statistically we should be alot more afraid of drunk driving and cancer? (I'm saying us because this sort of stuff is happening in Canada too, and anything the US does can profoundly affect us.)

 

Someone mentioned D-day, and how it worked because it was a massive secret. Very true. It was also a one-time operation with a definative start and hopeful endpoint.

 

Something else happened during WWII. Something terrible. American citicens were rounded up by the American government and sent to concentration camps on American soil as prisoners of war. Men, women, and children all were uprooted and not even given access to basic things like school for several years.

 

Why? Because they were of Japanese decent.

 

It didn't matter if they were valuble members of their communities. It didn't matter if the last people in their family who even saw Japan or spoke Japanese were their grandparents. Because of their ethnic heritage, they were the enemy.

 

Sure, it saved many lives. It's safe to say that quite a few of the people who were rounded up were sympathetic with the Japanese during the war and may have tried something. It was (arguably) effective. Just like some of the crap that the government is pulling now.

 

But how many innocent lives were destroyed in the process out of fear? Having been taught about that incident as a little girl, about how it was the shame of a nation, I had always hoped that we were smart enough now not to let something like that happen again. Are we willing to go back there again, just with a different enemy?

 

Are we any better than that? I sure hope so, but it doesn't look like it.

 

Letting people at least know what was going on so that we have the chance to ask questions BEFORE it gets that bad is a good place to start.

 

I can't believe I'm standing up for the NYT- I can't stand them, but in this case I think they did the right thing. It would do alot more harm to let things go on without at least stopping for a moment and asking a couple of questions first.

 

 

the goverment wasnt doing anything wrong or illegal in this.....so there was NO need to report on them.

 

they did teh right thing? by reporting on something that was legal and helping the nation? thats pathetic.

 

Listen up ok? THEY WERENT DOING ANYTHING ILLEGAL, OR UNETHICAL, OR WRONG. thus there was no point to report on a legall program, it helped no one but the terrorist by helping them...

They are part to blame for hurting the nations efforts to stop and catch terrorism for no good reason.....its truly sad that some people are ok with that. its hurting your nation and you dont seem to give a damn. like i said i could understand if the goverment was doing something illegal or wrong and was told on' date=' but in this case that is not the case.[/quote']

 

 

so opressing out 1st amendment rights isn't wrong?? What is wrong is claiming that this one little thing will hurt us.. I doubt it highly.

 

did it bring it to light for some who were not in the 'know' including some terrorists..... sure. But this one thing won't cause mass hysteria and a massive attack. If anything.. this will hinder operations because now the terrorists know they are being watched and can't fund their projects.. see, silver lining.

same difference... whether they are to blame or 'helped in the blame'-- you're still insituating that they are to blame.... lol

 

Partly to blame....there is a HUGE difference between blaming one person or thing for a problem than blaming many different people or things.....because they are partly to blame...they stopped something that was helping for no good reason. and people like you (for some odd reason:rolleyes: ) defend them thus defending our nation being hurt....congrats the terrorist are as willing to defend it and as happy as you are that the paper published the article...

 

P.S. they can still fund their projects, they'll just do it differently and thus making it harder for us to stop them from funding their terrorist acts...sorry but no silver lining on this one. you cant try to make it seem like the nwes article did any good. when in reality it only did us harm. but by "us" im refering to people who love their nation......oh i never said opressing out 1st amendment rights was right...because its not. im all for the 1st amendment but its sad when people use the freedoms they have to hurt their nation for no good reason. kinda biting the hand that feeds you....truly sad.

 

 

Bottom line our goverment was doing something good, that wasnt illegal or wrong and a paper for political reasons messed it up. it only hurt our nation and efforts to stop terrorism, so my question is why are you so for this? is stopping terrorist and terrorism legally something bad? do you thinks its wrong? for petty political reasons these bastards ruined something that was good and helping out america...but then again things that are good for america arent good for every american...;)

wah wah wah

Good to know you and the terrorist are defending the same people...alquiada loves people like you. what country needs enemies when they have citizens like you? go to europe.

:wink3: I'm working on it, but Tony Blair aint no prince either.... :lol: