They are really strong, just think of the lenght of their journey!

Unfortunately such ideals of the values and our relationship with nature do not work, I mean, they do not convince people, the only way people is convinced is telling them about the harm on their fates. Everything is money and self-benefit, the only way people can begin to take care of nature is realizing that without it we would die. And I don't remember if there were aboriginals protesting, it was people living in the forests not necessarily indigenous. I believe each person needs to change indvidually, in the end the individuals are those that define society and behaviour, so in the end all these changes are subdued to each one of us.

They are really strong, just think of the lenght of their journey!

Unfortunately such ideals of the values and our relationship with nature do not work, I mean, they do not convince people, the only way people is convinced is telling them about the harm on their fates. Everything is money and self-benefit, the only way people can begin to take care of nature is realizing that without it we would die. And I don't remember if there were aboriginals protesting, it was people living in the forests not necessarily indigenous. I believe each person needs to change indvidually, in the end the individuals are those that define society and behaviour, so in the end all these changes are subdued to each one of us.

> Yes, several generations it takes to get all the way to central Mexico, but each generation must travel around 400 miles, even that, for a butterfly, is an amazing feat! The first time I hear the story of the the Monarch butterflies, I thought they were kidding!:laugh3: But they make use of the weather patterns, floating along in the breezes heading southwest.

I sometimes see that as well - for many people, it's in one ear, out the other. People care, but only if they are humbled by either the realization that their fate is tied to the planet's ecosystems, or if they sense a direct connection with nature - some do, some don't. I think education and appreciation helps, the nature shows, music, and all that do really make a difference. But also, having healthy democracies makes a big difference too, & less pressure on all-consumptive mindsets. Yes, individuals need to change, and that changes society as well, but sometimes if it starts with those who have influence, then protection can come fast enough to save something so precious and imperiled.

But in the end it has to be everyone making the change; saving just the one forest isn't going to do it - we have to keep the whole planet healthy, and that takes a sea change in thinking.

Well, I will keep letting the milkweed grow in the garden, hopefully more organic farms will arise and that will bolster the numbers of milkweed plants growing on the edges of the fields. As long as the butterflies have stops along the way to reproduce and a place to roost near you, some harmony with nature will be maintained.:flutterby: