Saffire Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/11/interview-with-the-president-jail-time-for-those-without-health-care-insurance.html He's completely incapable of understanding the economics of the health care industry. He's like a 7 year old. “What I think is appropriate is that in the same way that everybody has to get auto insurance and if you don't, you're subject to some penalty, that in this situation, if you have the ability to buy insurance, it's affordable and you choose not to do so, forcing you and me and everybody else to subsidize you, you know, there's a thousand dollar hidden tax that families all across America are -- are burdened by because of the fact that people don't have health insurance, you know, there's nothing wrong with a penalty.” Besides the glaringly-obvious fact that forcing everybody to buy health insurance doesn't increase: 1. The number of doctors. 2. The number of hospitals. 3. The number of hours in the day. ...and therefore necessitates long wait-times during which patients will suffer and/or die, he completely overlooks the fundamental difference between car insurance and health insurance - namely that car insurance pays for the result of accidents caused by the driver, not only the accidents the driver may get himself into. Your poor health isn't going to damage property and other peoples' lives. It only affects you. So the analogy doesn't work, and Obama is acting like a magician by directing everyone's attention to his left hand while his right hand is busy slapping doctors in the face and propping up mega-corporation drug companies. Next we have this gem: “I think the general broad principle is simply that people who are paying for their health insurance aren't subsidizing folks who simply choose not to until they get sick and then suddenly they expect free health insurance. That's -- that's basic concept of responsibility that I think most Americans abide by,” Mr. Obama said, “penalties are appropriate for people who try to free ride the system and force others to pay for their health insurance.” Ohh, how fair-minded of the former Harvard Law Review editor! Except for one thing: if I don't pay for health insurance, I don't expect to get it. Sort of like how, if I don't pay for a steak dinner at Ruth's Chris's, I don't expect to get it. It's politicians like Obama who raise children to EXPECT this stuff will be handed to them by "society". Or rich people. And while they're not paying for your health insurance, retirement, and KICKASS Iraq War (fuckin' towelheads!), they're also expected to give you and your children jobs. That's "responsibility", alright. And yeah, I would agree that most Americans enjoy this alternative definition of responsibility. Quit pointing guns at and threatening jail time for peaceful people, Mr. Nobel Peace Prize. And he's about to jack up the number of troops in Afghanistan by 40,000: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/09/world/main5592551.shtml This man can't make a single correct decision to save his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_squared Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 mAs I said, if the amount you pay is directly linked to your income, then fair enough. If you are unemployed or have a very low income, common sense should prevail.;) Comparing health insurance to car insurance is totally daft, anyway, as you can normally get very cheap car insurance if you drive the right car, drive safely and only go for the ost basic cover. With health insurance you could quite easily end up paying the same in a month as you do for a whole year's car insurance. If someone can't afford to pay health insurance, fining them will only make matters worse.:dozey: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matter-Eater Lad Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 The solution is to bring costs down. Back in the 40's there wasn't much insurance and little government involvement and costs were low. On average the rich and poor had about the same number of doctor visits. Common sense should dictate "lets do what worked before!" but there is no common sense in government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_squared Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Well it certainly wouldn't be "common sense" to fine people for not having any money in the first place.:dozey: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matter-Eater Lad Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Well it certainly wouldn't be "common sense" to fine people for not having any money in the first place.:dozey: Valid point Mark. That alone should be enough proof that these politicians are incompetent and incapable of running health care! (we're being civil, it feels weird) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_squared Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Valid point Mark. That alone should be enough proof that these politicians are incompetent and incapable of running health care! (we're being civil, it feels weird) It shouldn't.;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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