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Hahaha Very good, i like your style. Yes, you could loosely liken the feeling to that. I was really referring to the feeling you get when you are unplugged and can see the true reality around you, ugly as it is. You should take a look at the Zeitgeist movies and let me know what you think. Especially the money and the proposed money based society. Would it/could it work and how would society get through the period of transition? Of course, I am happy to discuss the other topics touched on just so long as you take the time to watch first. (Bit of trivia, don't you think its a kinda cool coincidence that Neo's ID card in the Original Matrix movie expired on Sept 11 2001.)

Unreal. I seriously cannot believe that nobody has commented on the contents of the two COMPLETELY FREE Zeitegeist Movies available to watch online or download at http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com These documentary films will really open your eyes to things in the world that you previously thought were too boring or too complicated for you. They are 2hrs long each, but pack so much information in. Do you know where money comes from?, do you understand HOW it is created? Do you know where Religion comes from? Do you beleive in Nature or Nurture? Imagine a resourse-based economy (Money FREE)!! There is much much much more besides. These movies are well worth watching and even if you disagree the film does make you start asking questions. (Think of the feeling you had when you first seen the MATRIX movie and you will get the idea)

Songmeanings.net Thank you - I'm gonna give it a whirl now. How come all the good folk are appearing now! I really appreciate the link. JT

Thank you! Dorian, that was a very nice reply. I dont particularly like the song Lhuna either......not a good sound at all for Coldplay. Have you posted any of your interpretations of Viva la Vida (Album as a whole or individual tracks) - I would be fascinated. To be honest, any of your interpretations would prove very interesting to me. I like a thinker and love being enlightened - a mistake is only a mistake when you decide not to correct it. I loved the fact that you mentioned "Are we Dancers"...... I look at "Susan Boyle" as a fantastic and relevant example of just how much society prefers Human........... and not a conforming fake. - i.e. not "Dancers". She is an embodyment of the meaning of "Human" and the public appeal proves it. Here's my local lass's magic moment. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp0IWv8QZY]YouTube - Susan Boyle - Singer - Britains Got Talent 2009 (With Lyrics)[/ame] Hope you can post a link or two for anything you have already translated and if not - please write something in the Releases Section. Be true to yourselves. PEACE AND LOVE JT.

Thank you. I just want you to know that as a general statement regarding Coldplays style and delivery, your reply is the most intelligent and measured I have had from this web site. Again, Thank you. PS - What do you think the track Lhuna means? or the album meaning of VLV? - Are you going you post a reply in the Releases Section? - I sincerely hope so, as you definately seem like my type of person. I like your pragmatic and thoughtful style.

Just a question really.......I have posted and replied to a couple of "what do the lyrics mean" in the Releases Section and to be honest there seems to be very little substance in peoples understandings....... eg, Lhuna Lyrics and Album Meaning threads... I assume, that you all understand WHY Coldplay promote "Free Trade" and also WHY there are so many political and geo-political messages in their music (esp. since Rush of Blood to the Head) Basically all the albums and tracks POST 911. The title itself "Rush of Blood to the Head" literally implies do something Impulsive........ So, why dont you all try it? - Go to Releases and look for the lyrics MEANING and let me know what YOUR views are........ Note: This post is NOT about anything other than asking if Coldplay Fans actually, really, really GET IT. Please post ANY Lyrical Interpretations in the correct section, i.e. Releases. Thanks and with Hope. JT PS - I actually LOVE the sound of all of Coldplays tracks, but they mean so much more if you can understand them.

What the Lyrics Represent Hey folks, its been a while since I last posted (Check my Album Meaning of Viva La Vida), but here is a quick run down on this track. Lhuna = Luna = Moon - Thats it; the simple part..... The reason you have two people of the opposite sex BOTH singing and longing for Lhuna.....is that Lhuna is NOT a person. Its the moon. If you come up with the meaning of "Lhuna" being based on a person, thats ridiculous. Think about it, both a lonely male (Chris) and a lonely female (Kylie) are both singing TOGETHER in the last verse..... We are dreaming about Lhuna The smell of her The touch and the taste of her dreaming about Lhuna Her and me, simultaneously Her and me, effortlessly oh her and me effortlessly If Lhuna was a PERSON, then basically they are longing to have an effortless (!) THREESOME with some strangely described female "person".... The ACTUAL message is as follows: We have drifted away from the correct and divine timings of the Universe, this is essentially since the Gregorian Calendar came along. Prior to the Gregorian Calendar (i.e. our current calendar), we based timings on the orbit of the MOON circling the Earth........this is what the vast majority of ancient religions/faiths USED to calculate the days/months/years. Certain religions today still use the Moon to determine their monthly cycles, i.e. muslims, etc. The Human Gestation Period is Completely tied to the moon and also effects emotions. All the song is saying is "I wish we could get back to living in tune with nature, as its all wrong just now"...... Please see the following web site for this final quote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A399909 ******Lunar Influences****** Ask any policeman or emergency room worker, and they'll tell you there is a definite relationship between human behaviour and the lunar cycle. Increases in crimes, traffic accidents and patient admissions to mental hospitals all increase during the full moon. There may be a connection between the Moon, love and sex. On average, the menstrual cycle for women is exactly the same duration as the lunar synodic month (29.5 days) and the human gestation period is exactly nine times the lunar synodic month (265.8 days). Furthermore, studies have found that there are more births during the full and new moon. Also, there are more male children born after the full moon and more female children are born after the new moon. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Can I just ask, if you all like Coldplay so much......why oh why does it seem that NOBODY at ALL seems to understand the messages being given? Its seems that all you folk on this forum are intestested in is.....its all 'bout "this love", "that love", "sounded ace!", "whens part2 coming out" etc.....please, prove me wrong. Chris and the Band have always advocated "Fair Trade" and have SO many "loaded" political and geo-political messages in their later work that its almost SCREAMING OUT. * * * * Come on folks, please tell me someone else GETS COLDPLAY?!?! * * * * Kylie: "I don’t know what the time is.........I don’t know where you’ve flown.................And I don’t know why you’re so far from home......." Kinda sums it up, we dont know what the "time" is anymore..................we are out of sync with nature.... UPDATE - Watch the two FREE Movies @ http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com - Gets you asking all sorts of questions. Great Solution too; in the Addendum Movie.

Was just a guess.... "I was just guessing at numbers and figures Pulling the puzzle apart Questions of science, science and progress Do not speak as loud as my heart." PEACE LOVE AND LIGHT PS - Sorry about your Job situation. Use your time wisely. I hear Chrysler may be "merged" with GM - That means job losses - Please prepare for your family.

Was a long and dark December....... From the rooftops....I remember....... I can FEEL it coming - can YOU? (Note - I posted this thread and sublime message a while ago on this forum. The reason I posted here is because I felt that Coldplay Fans would most likely understand and ACT on the message --- SO FAR, I must say I am disapointed at the lack of responses or understanding.) [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PIEGK0IbA4]YouTube - U.S. Economy : The Philosopher's Stone[/ame] * Posted Dec 15th 2008 * * * * We need to get back to a Honest system. * * * "When the power of love overcomes the love, of power....we will know peace." -John Lennon- A peaceful brother taken from us; solely for speaking truth. We are all brothers and sisters. LOVE EACH OTHER and spread this message. No ties, no catches.......no effort. http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com If you care. Watch Zeitgeist Movie (1) and Zeitgeist Addendum (2). Just to give you a heads up, it will take 4hrs of your life to watch these movies for the first time (2hrs each movie). I know - Its not exactly entertainment, but its time that we all faced REALITY. Look out for each other. The "change" being given is not what you think. Make the CHANGE yourself, because that is the only way it can truly occur. There wont be many more warnings. I can assure you of this. I G N O R E T H I S A N D D O N O T S P R E A D A T Y O U R P E R I L. Make this Viral PEACE LOVE AND LIGHT. (Please, for awareness; keep this thread bumped.)

Even Wall street aint convinced - This is the end. http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/oct/05/wall.street.bailout For a lifeline in our time line watch Zeitgeist Addendum. http://addendummovie.com

Irony.....lol Ron Paul, who I spoke about briefly.......has Officially backed Chuck Baldwin (http://www.baldwin08.com) for President. And Buck for Chuck decided to use Coldplays original Video Footage for promoting his view on youtube.......kinda funny. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-xSDlSISSY]YouTube - Buck for Chuck~* 9-20-08[/ame] (I notice the video has now been removed due to copyright claim......heh) http://coldplay.com/video.php A 3rd Party Candidate for President with the same views as Ron (and Chris ;o)) Now that Would be Change. http://www.campaignforliberty.com PS - Ron Paul is the real TimeTraveler - http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2002/cr091002b.htm

Do you guys even realise that Coldplay...... REPRESENT everything that Ron Paul is running for. Fair Trade, etc..... Have you ever realised that Chris Martin is Political and dislikes the current US administration? Just watch and learn...... No Offence, but OPEN YOUR EYES.

WATCH HISTORY IN THE MAKING http://digg.com/business_finance/C_SPAN_2_to_cover_the_entire_Rally_for_the_Republic and watch it all happen LIVE tonight from 6.30pm UK time on the CSPAN website if you do not get this on Cable.... PEACE, LOVE AND LIGHT.

Off Topic? Have a search on WHO wants to impeach the administration... (Search, there are many more). And for fair and balanced media coverage check out.... CNN Coverage - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzx6ttmbTbs Is FOX going to become god, after all? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-OpIXfXKO8

At last...... Thank you Knotty, you have restored my faith. At last someone who is willing to put their personal ideas out there as an actual interpretation. Although I would say, I have to disagree that its the "end of THAT discussion"......as this is exactly what my thread is about. Your interpretation is a very interesting take on the Album, with at least some connections to the intended message. Many Thanks again Knotty - Hope there are more people on here like you. PEACE AND LOVE.

Thanks Thank you. I do appreciate your logic and help. JT. PEACE AND LOVE

How can I move this thread to the main forum? Major Market Crisis Job Losses Revolution So, I cant move it back then?

And to quote you....Age Six Racer Thanks for the merge Mimixxx....however the reason I posted under Coldplay main threads with the link, rather than bump the post in violet hill....was to get more views and opinions. I did TRY to ask people NOT to post on the main post, but here instead....... From the number of posts and reactions i got, before the thread got merged I see that it is THE place to post. After all, my thread was mainly about the sentiment of the album "as a whole" and there is NO thread for such a post and i am after all a newb (to this forum). What is the correct etiquette i need to follow to have this post in the main threads? or even at worst a new main thread for VLV album meaning discussion and debate? I do not wish to offend anyone and appreciate the "time". PEACE AND LOVE

OK Then.... http://coldplay.com/video.php Coldplays own site.

Tut Tut Read the Lyrics (whole album), watch your language and research. Bad silly, boy..... PEACE AND LOVE

Sigh..... YOU didn't even take the time to read my request, never mind the thread. I asked you to post in the thread ABOVE. (You know where it is, you've posted before....) Now try again....and read everything S L O W L Y. I know you can do it. Remember that songs are meant to give you a clear message, but not be blatant. This is why Coldplay have used misinformation, mispronunciation and conceptual metaphors along with historical and religious references, to get their message over. PS - I would LOVE to see your interpretation of the lyrics as a love story.... PPS - Did your parents ever tell you about the tooth fairy?......were you disapointed when you found out the truth? I bet you prefer to believe in the tooth fairy..............

VIVA LA VIDA MEANING????????????????? http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com October 3rd - Addendum. FREE ONLINE STREAM.

It is a political message, but also a cultural one. http://www.coldplaying.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47505

http://www.coldplaying.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47505 http://www.coldplaying.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47505

Album Meaning Hi Guyy, Thank you for taking the time to read my post and comment. I really do appreciate the fact you have read this and actually thought about what I said, then replied with your own views. My comments back to you are, Re. Violet Hill "if you love me wont you let me know.... I dont want to be a soldier who the captain of some sinking ship would stow, far below... If you love me WHY DID YOU LET ME GO...." (In the full context above, it seems very clear to me that the soldier is asking why did the government let him go to war....even though he knew fine well, it is/was a very bad idea). I would suggest that if a government shows "false love" to the people, suggesting that they can look after everyones problems by taking liberties away and "pulling the wool" over the populations eyes for selfish gains, then yes we are probabaly doomed. Re. Death and all his Friends With regards to Death and All his Friends. You are in fact correct. Quote - "This pretty obviously sounds like they want pointless wars to end, and so they're refusing to fight in them." I do agree with this, but your not looking closely at the "context" of the comments I have made. Remember, what I said was the album gives us a choice between the two tracks mentioned in the Album Title. Viva la Vida OR Death and all his friends. I put forward the idea that the second choice was "apathy", i.e. Death and all his Friends. For such a lengthy track there are VERY FEW lyrics broken into three parts. For me, this final track on the album puts over this drawn out message of apathy, due to inaction. All winter, we got carried Oh way over on the rooftops let's get married. All summer we just hurried so come over, just be patient, and don't worry. So come over, just be patient, and don't worry. So come over, just be patient, and don't worry. And don't worry. (People ignoring everything that is going on around them; la la la dont worry....it'll be ok) No I don't wanna battle from beginning to end; I don't wanna cycle of recycled revenge; I don't wanna follow death and all his friends. No I don't wanna battle from beginning to end; I don't wanna cycle of recycled revenge; I don't wanna follow death and all of his friends. (Realisation has now kicked in that things are not OK, far from it - They now want to stop the recycling cycle of war and revenge....they WANT to...) In the end, we lie awake and the dream of making our escape and In the end, we lie awake and the dream of making our escape (But in the end, the people simply lie dreaming of escaping from situation that they have ignored - Apathy in a nutshell). You might have also noticed that the album STARTS with "Life in Technicolor" which is the EXACT SAME music being played as in the LAST part of "Death and all his Friends", to me; re-inforcing the Apathy (a loop) and cycle of repeating history. In direct comment to your 3 points: 1) Yes Bush's term is nearly over, yet he now has the power via recent legislation to enforce martial law in the US, should any sort of major disaster occur, as could Obama if he is elected. Do you really think Obama will bring change? - I would be happy to debate this. 2) I am British and have far less ties to America than Chris Martin. Whats your point? 3) Obama is a far better choice than Bush. Nothing wrong with Chris commenting that Obama is the best choice out of two evils (McCain). The trouble is that Obama's policies are not that different from the current staus quo; its really just more of the same. Continue Wars, keep de-valuing the Dollar, etc. I would concede that it would certainly change America's image abroad, but in the long run nothing would really change for the better on your own soil. Its possibly a good idea if you have a look at the reasons behind why these wars of aggression are being fought. (Clue, its not terrorists). 1) Just before Iraq was invaded, Saddam had started selling his Oil in Euros. As soon as the US invaded, priority number one was the oil fields. As soon as they were secured, the sale of oil was immediately switched back to the Dollar. 2) The CIA has confirmed (via NIE of 2007) that Iran stopped its efforts in 2003 to create Nuclear Weapons. Why the current issue with Iran? - Well, Iran has created its own Oil Stock Exchange selling in Euros Only (Google Iranian Oil Bourse) to compete directly with New York and London. At present they are only dealing in Oil Derivitives, i.e. Petrol, etc. But the Iranian Plan is to start selling Crude Oil in the coming weeks/months. This is why the US (possibly via Isreal) will likely attack Iran. I would be interested in your interpretation and reasons, as you see it. PEACE AND LOVE