Ireentje

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So we should just eat them? And by the way, could you point out the use of human beings?[/b] Human beings are figuring out what the earth, science, everything is all about, they are leaving legacies and informing future generations. They have histories, they fall in love, they think. Pigs dont, they are animals. If you think animals are the same as humans, then I dont know what to say. Animals have no reasoning behind doing anything. They have sex with whoever they find, they eat their own children, from that to even, just wandering off, they have no reason to even be on this earth and the fact they live at all is pointless.... eeeeexcept for of course, keeping food cycles going and stuff like that. Do they even know they are doing it? No. Thats the real reason I dont understand you being a vegetarian: from what I read in this topic its like you think animals are the same as humans in terms of thinking and feeling, except they are in animal form. They are monsters, if anything at all. Animals indeed have another reasoning behind their doings, their main drive is their instinct. However, I don't think you are correct when you state that human beings are useful just because they think. Thinking doesn't make you useful. Neither does leaving legacies to your own kind, exploring the world in which you live, or falling in love. What you are proving is that human beings are useful to other human beings. This earth has done without humans for millions of years. If this planet would have existed twenty-four hours up to this moment, the human being would have come in at 0,00003 seconds before twelve pm. And I don't think animals are the same as humans: it's the other way around. We humans are not only the same as animals, we are animals, and nothing more. The fact that we have more sophisticated ways of communicating and more complicated brain masses than pigs, doesn't make us either more useful or better than them. You say that animals don't think or feel. First of all: animals feel pain like us, that is a fact you can't deny: it has been proven over and over again by scientists. Animals feel fear like us. A pig will scream and squeal when it is about to be slaughtered. Elephants feel grief: they will visit the skull and bones of deceased family members for the rest of their lives. They feel anger, they have better memories than we have: a boy that taunts an elephant can expect the elephant to attack him on a second meeting, even if that occurs thirty years later. These are actions that do not come forth from instinct, or a need to survive. Every action that does not come forth from instinct, comes forth from something else: thought. Animals can consider their actions, some more than others. Animals can feel: they have pain, fear, anger. The fact that their thoughts and feelings might be less complicated than "ours", the human being's, does not give us the right to dominate them, or kill them at random and at will, just because we like to eat meat. If you see how our world is slowly being destroyed by cars, toxic waste, factories, wars, whale hunters, lumberjacks, and you can still say in all honestly that we are useful to this planet, than there is something wrong in your reasoning. If you see how the rich and fortunate part of our species maltreats and neglects the other part, the poor and needy, and you can say that we have more feeling than animals, then there is something wrong with your reasoning. Animals take care of each other. They will sometimes kill a member of their own species, but only for their own survival. I give you the Second World War. One human being, causing the death of millions of people, out of pure spite. And you say humans are better than animals. The human being is the most arrogant animal that exists today. We destroy our own world and the species that live on it, and still think we are the next best thing. Eventually, maybe in a thousand years, maybe in ten thousand years, maybe in a hundred thousand, this will be the end of the human race, or this planet. Whatever comes first.

I'm not religious, but she'll be in my thoughts. Hope all ends well, Nick. Best of luck and health to your mother.

I believe it happens. The only thing you can do about it, is trying to get to know the person better, keep in touch, and see if the feeling remains. Love at first sight is not comprised of 'lust' or simply liking someone's appearance only, it also involves just a deep feeling in your gut that you have about for instance a person's attitude, how this person stands or walks around, the air/attitude. sometimes your feelings are proven completely wrong, but sometimes not. All I can say is: think careful before you act. don't hurt yourself, or the girl (or the other girl ;)) in the process. And now I feel like a shrink.

Wow Ari, nice one :)

HA! :P

Maybe it works! Have you got a giant bag?

So we should just eat them? And by the way, could you point out the use of human beings?

I don't wear them ;)

Luckily my mother used to be a vegetarian for eight years, so that wasn't particularly hard.

No. I don't know if I'm an exception, but it wasn't difficult for me. The only difficult thing for me was having to get all the pieces of bacon out of my meals, and stuff. And getting people to understand why the hell I wasn't eating meat anymore.

Combination of lion and tiger? :P If you get them to shag :wacko:

Sometimes I think about this, but not when I eat meat. If I did, I couldn't eat it anymore. :/ That's exactly my point. Think about it enough, and you don't even want to eat it anymore. And I don't miss the taste of meat.

No, meat doesn't nessecarily taste better, that's just your opinion. And I simply don't miss it. Honestly. And it's not like I'm "eating like a robot" or something, I do have taste buds, but I just don't miss meat. I like my food as it is: meatless.

Bump.

Chavvy Potter...vivid mental image...blegh! :D

I'm not saying that. Just say that if you give it some thoughts, you might.

A Hippogriff! :wacko:

And does that bother you at all? You don't see a living pig in front of you when you eat your hamburger? Or how it's lived?

That doesn't stop me from giving up meat. I disagree with the way humans maltreat animals just to satisfy their likings.

I'm not saying it's immoral. My point was, people eat meat because they like it, not because it's natural to do it.

Coldplay - Politik (Live 2003)

So what. You don't nééd to do it, natural or not. You won't die if you stopped eating meat.

Uh... a cat, everyone loves cats :)

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