Ambergris Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 Well, if u don't know Gibraltar is a big rock in Spain but actually it's a part of the UK. Here the problem, because the britons took the place long time ago and illegally when Spain was in a war against France. The thing is that there's been some problems between the governments of both countries (Spain and Britain) because the United Nations (UN) said that the territory belongs to the Iberian country (Spain) but in a voting of people that actually lives in the rock voted to be at British domain. In fact, Gibraltar defiantly celebrated 300 years of British ownership yesterday, casting aside a barrage of protests from the Spanish government. Anyway I think it's really interesting, if u want to know more about the situation in Gibraltar go to the nearest library from ur home :P :lol: Or go to http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/08/05/wgib05.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/08/05/ixworld.html Ok, what do u think about it?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycdplayerisbroke Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 hey it sounds like a sword :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-JaK- Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 Yawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoogieJ Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 I laughed my ass off yesterday when I read about this, Spain were declaring that a bayonetted march was a hostile act to Spain and the EU...roflmao...I'm glad we went through with it, and didn't bow to any pressure...the people from Gibraltar have said numerous times in vote that they are unanimously in favour of staying British... No sympathy for Spain here, their left wing government pulled out of Iraq leaving Polish Soldiers there to fend for themselves..Poland is part of the EU now, isn't that a hostile act on another EU member country too? 300 years have passed since Gibraltar became part of the UK, 500 years have passed since the Spanish launched an armada against us...we've forgotten that, or should we now try to pursue war crimes against them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoogieJ Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 Btw Spain wasn't in a war with France, they were allied to France and Bavaria against Britain, Austria, Holland, Portugal and Denmark. We took the rock during the Spanish War of Succession...so it was wartime, and that's how we obtained it...seems fair enough considering the war started because the Spanish broke their word in the partition treaty of 1700...should the US give back the country to the Native Americans they conquered? Should the Spanish relinquish much of South America they took by force from the Incas, Aztecs and Mayans? Here's the history of Gibraltar http://www.gibraltar2004.gov.gi/history.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Ali* Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 i've been there and i have to say it is kinda weird. it feels like your in spain but the currency is the pound and the shops are typically british. however the spanish police on the border have been known to be a little, shall we say, temperamental. they can hold up queues for hours on a whim because they feel like being difficult. i don't know, i think things should be left how they are because the people of gibraltar feel british and want to stay british. it's really just about pride for the two governments, it's a part of both countries and neither are willing to budge on the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noni Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 It's normal that people from Gibraltar wanna remain british, they've been british since they were born! And who would like to be spanish knowing the retarded and stupid goverments we've had? :dozey: Anyways, it's weird that just a little territory in Spain has the british essence. But, meeeh, we also have Ceuta and Melilla and they're in Africa. So, it's the same situation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noni Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 No sympathy for Spain here' date=' their left wing government pulled out of Iraq leaving Polish Soldiers there to fend for themselves..Poland is part of the EU now, isn't that a hostile act on another EU member country too?[/quote'] I prefer this one that fight in a stupid nonsense war which started just for money and just for lick Bush's ass... :dozey: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambergris Posted August 5, 2004 Author Share Posted August 5, 2004 Oh yeah, the spanish war of succession. You are right, Britain got Gibraltar as a colony in the Treaty of Utrecht. That was about 300 years ago and it's obvious that people living in the rock feel comfortable at British domain, I'm not saying that Britain should return Gibraltar to the Spanish Government It's just that the rock belonged to Spain since human story exists and the people that lived there have developed an own culture proper of Spain an own story (We all know the importance of the Strait of Gibraltar as an entry to the mediterranean sea) and Spaniards don't feel good about Britain Presence at the rock. Yes I've been there and it really feels so Hispanic. Looks like Gibraltar means for the U.K just a memory of its past as a World power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambergris Posted August 5, 2004 Author Share Posted August 5, 2004 But, meeeh, we also have Ceuta and Melilla and they're in Africa. So, it's the same situation... Nobody complaint about it !! :rolleyes: And Thanks for the history lesson Mr. Doogie :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darlene_Ihnfsa Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 well only ask yourself this, if your dad is english and your mum spanish, you are? always people says that is most impotant the maternal language, so i think they´re birthish but, well you know they speak spanish more than english. well anyways they´ll do that they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noni Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 But, meeeh, we also have Ceuta and Melilla and they're in Africa. So, it's the same situation... Nobody complaint about it !! :rolleyes: Who knows? Maybe the Morocco goverment? But heeeh, it's Africa, it's not the same as England eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambergris Posted August 5, 2004 Author Share Posted August 5, 2004 But, meeeh, we also have Ceuta and Melilla and they're in Africa. So, it's the same situation... Nobody complaint about it !! :rolleyes: Who knows? Maybe the Morocco goverment? But heeeh, it's Africa, it's not the same as England eh? Wellks, how far are Spain and Northern Africa?? not the same because those cities are practically at Spain, not like Britain with Gibraltar so far as an isolated colony. Even Ceuta and Melilla belong to Spain because of its Islamic past when Moors (Of Morocco) invaded the Iberian peninsula long time ago... :) :rolleyes: The same with Canary islands I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darlene_Ihnfsa Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 well gibraltar as charle said before, was a sign with english and all signs have rules, they break some rules. ceuta and melilla are spanish since 500 years. isn´t the same situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoogieJ Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 We own the Falkland Islands too, some tin-pot Hispanic dictator tried to take that back in 1982, didn't succeed :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycdplayerisbroke Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 No sympathy for Spain here, their left wing government pulled out of Iraq leaving Polish Soldiers there to fend for themselves..Poland is part of the EU now, isn't that a hostile act on another EU member country too? yeah i heard about this didnt the phillipines pull out because some terrorists were going to execute 1 truck driver? ridiculous terrorists are just big bullies looking for some lunch money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambergris Posted August 5, 2004 Author Share Posted August 5, 2004 No sympathy for Spain here, their left wing government pulled out of Iraq leaving Polish Soldiers there to fend for themselves..Poland is part of the EU now, isn't that a hostile act on another EU member country too? No :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambergris Posted August 6, 2004 Author Share Posted August 6, 2004 500 years have passed since the Spanish launched an armada against us... Oh yeah, I really like that story... it's interesting how the invincible armada launched by Philip II of Spain against England finished as a completely disaster first because the Armada couldn't win against English navy finishing completely destroyed at the bad weather in Northern Atlantic ocean... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycdplayerisbroke Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 i thought the armada was grouped together at a harbor and some demolition boats blew them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoogieJ Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 The English had made two attempts to intercept the Armada in Iberian waters in June and July, only to be blown back by storms. Now somewhat sceptical themselves, their fleet of sixty-six ships was caught by surprise re-supplying in Plymouth when the Armada appeared. Although they were able to escape from Plymouth successfully, they were faced with a stern chase up the Channel. Much ammunition was expended, but the Spanish formation held together well, and only two ships were lost, both by accidents. The Spanish admiral, the duke of Medina Sidonia, then took the unexpected decision to anchor off Calais on 6 August. This enabled the English to disperse his fleet by a fireship attack and strong winds blew it into the North Sea. Four Spanish ships were lost at this point, but the great majority escaped northwards. However, there was now no alternative to the risky voyage home round Scotland and Ireland. In the course of this a further thirty-four or five ships -mostly weaker-built transports - foundered or ran aground. that appears to be what happened, so nearly right about blowing them up in dock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoogieJ Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/TUDarmada.htm heres a cool account of the battle :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambergris Posted August 6, 2004 Author Share Posted August 6, 2004 That's what Philip said: I sent you to fight with men, and not with the weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoogieJ Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 lol he shouldve known never trust the weather in the english channel... theres three weather patterns there sunny misty rain sometimes all on the same day :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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