Just cause you don't see demonstrations it doesn't make it right. Just cause you don't see demonstrations it doesn't mean that we support the extremists. I could go on... but you see my point.

that's true' date=' we can not say that the protesting muslims are the 'bad' ones. The persons that should be punished are the ones who are instigating the crowd .[/quote']

 

the muslim extremist all over the muslim worlds are the ones to blame for this...the leaders that added fuel the flames caused this.

 

But back to the topic. this goes to show europe is going ot have a major problem in the coming years with muslim extremist. from the french riots to this. europe is in much danger.

 

why would Europe be in danger? i think there are many muslims in america too or in the other continents ... i can't see why Europe would be in more danger then those other continents

 

america is in danger too, but we already know that and were doing something about it. most of europe is just looking the other way when it comes to muslim extremist...in the years to come as they become more radical adn more angry and if most of europe ignores them they will have major problems with terrorist. muslim extremist in europe have set up quasi muslim states loyal to islam, some of which is extremist and to islamic countries. as the riots in paris showed in the coming years europe will be facing much trouble. they are ignoring the enemy like they did with hitler before ww2. its going to get very dangerous.

 

 

It's completely wrong to compare the french riots with what happening now the reasons change for what cause the riots and what cause the current events

 

The riots also not muslims who do it just them there are also do it by christians like what happened at Northern Ireland

 

and it's big mistake to compare WW ll with what happening now also

The muslims havn't any purpose to conquer the world :wink3:

 

you misunderstood what i was saying about ww2. i was NOT comparing this to ww2. but using europes stupidity and ignoring germany pre ww2 to compare to modern day europe ignoring the terrorist threat....sorry if i didnt say it clearly...my fault.

 

but the fact remains i was using the muslim riots in france to show that europe in teh coming years is going to have much trouble with muslims and terrorism.

its nothing more then free speach. like it or not people have a right to dis your relgion. as they do for mine. it comes down to nothing but free speech. i think its mean and wrong to attack most religions. but i believe they have a right to do so. everyone should have teh right to express their ideas and beliefs.

 

All what you say is good.

 

But I will tell you something.If the newspaper have a right freedom of speech,so please be fair.When I want to talk about anyone I must read his biography and see his action not going like blind person and insult him and I didn't know anything about him except his name [ It's shame ]

 

So who draw this cartoons and who published it did he know Muhammed did he read his biograghy

 

The freedom of speech is beautifull thing but if we respect it because it a double edged weapon

:)

 

 

free speach doesnt have to be fair nor should it be...it has NOTHING to do with it. free speach is about people being able to say lies or the truth...it shouldnt be free speech only if its 100% true. and how do you know who drew the cartoons didnt know much about muhammed for all we know he could know alot about him...

there is no line' date=' nor should there be. freedom of speech you have to take the good with the bad, if you like it or not. that is freedom of speech, we cannot have select freedom of speech. as for too far, it was in bad taste but was not taken too far. too would be like havinga picture of him dying or saying something really negative. they did NOT take it that far. If anything the artist helf back.[/quote']

 

 

I think if it no line then it well be a mess. Even freedom Of Speech must have a line but it's depend on line for what.

 

Must have a line for not telling the truth,not publish article to who pay more

 

Must have no line for discovering the decay,who use his post for illegal actions

 

The freedom Of Speech is responsibilty before be a right and it's a big responsibility indeed

 

 

Between the Freedom and Mess a thin line

 

:wink3:

 

freedom of speech must not have limits..because once you put one limit on it, there will be another and then down the road another until its gone....with a line people will be able to limit it more and more...

 

 

It's completely wrong to compare the french riots with what happening now the reasons change for what cause the riots and what cause the current events

 

The riots also not muslims who do it just them there are also do it by christian like what happened at Northern Ireland

 

and it's big mistake to compare WW ll with what happening now also

The muslims havn't any purpose to conquer the world :wink3:

 

 

i agree, its not the same, the world has changed completely ... comparing WWII with this is like comparing WW II with the battles in the middle ages. This is a new kind of war against an enemy that is not clearly visable or of which the location is clearly known.

 

 

you can compare teh war on terror in some ways to ww2. in ww2 most of europre ignored the threat of the enemy which lead to teh war, which was and is happening today with terrorism. this is a global war as is the war on terror. but a big difference is teh war on terror will never be won, unlike the ww2. but there are alot of ways we can compare modern wars to war like ww2.

 

and you can compare battles in the middle ages easily with battles in ww2...general george s patton used his knowledge of ancient wars and middle aged wars to help him defeat the germans...its using the past to help you in teh future...

 

on another note i applaud the muslims protesting peacefuly. there are many who are not using violence to spread there message about this issue and im glad to see it.

its nothing more then free speach. like it or not people have a right to dis your relgion. as they do for mine. it comes down to nothing but free speech. i think its mean and wrong to attack most religions. but i believe they have a right to do so. everyone should have teh right to express their ideas and beliefs.

 

All what you say is good.

 

But I will tell you something.If the newspaper have a right freedom of speech,so please be fair.When I want to talk about anyone I must read his biography and see his action not going like blind person and insult him and I didn't know anything about him except his name [ It's shame ]

 

So who draw this cartoons and who published it did he know Muhammed did he read his biograghy

 

The freedom of speech is beautifull thing but if we respect it because it a double edged weapon

:)

 

 

free speach doesnt have to be fair nor should it be...it has NOTHING to do with it. free speach is about people being able to say lies or the truth...it shouldnt be free speech only if its 100% true. and how do you know who drew the cartoons didnt know much about muhammed for all we know he could know alot about him...

 

 

I know who drew the cartoons didn't know much about Muhammed through a little proof

 

Because if he know him [ really know him] ,he wasn't draw cartoons like this or thinking about it

 

But if he know much about him and published this lies,it's another case

that's true' date=' we can not say that the protesting muslims are the 'bad' ones. The persons that should be punished are the ones who are instigating the crowd .[/quote']

 

the muslim extremist all over the muslim worlds are the ones to blame for this...the leaders that added fuel the flames caused this.

 

You are right,but if the muslims extremist do this [ and I know they do this indeed ] why we give them the chance to do that,I mean why the cartoons published and we all know the extremist will use it.And they used it indeed

its nothing more then free speach. like it or not people have a right to dis your relgion. as they do for mine. it comes down to nothing but free speech. i think its mean and wrong to attack most religions. but i believe they have a right to do so. everyone should have teh right to express their ideas and beliefs.

 

All what you say is good.

 

But I will tell you something.If the newspaper have a right freedom of speech,so please be fair.When I want to talk about anyone I must read his biography and see his action not going like blind person and insult him and I didn't know anything about him except his name [ It's shame ]

 

So who draw this cartoons and who published it did he know Muhammed did he read his biograghy

 

The freedom of speech is beautifull thing but if we respect it because it a double edged weapon

:)

 

 

free speach doesnt have to be fair nor should it be...it has NOTHING to do with it. free speach is about people being able to say lies or the truth...it shouldnt be free speech only if its 100% true. and how do you know who drew the cartoons didnt know much about muhammed for all we know he could know alot about him...

 

 

In fact there are alot things to do with the extremist freedom of speech

 

I called it extremist because there are journalists as the proverb say

 

Fish in troubled waters

 

Use it without conscience

 

I didn't mean the freedome of speech must be 100% true,I say we must work and try to make it 100% true

 

They can but RULES for that like

 

No one can publish anything without documents [ true documents ]

Bunish who confirm he published lies and he know that,I mean some rules like that and this rules didn't restriction the freedom of speech but save it

 

There are many proverbs says:

 

Better be sure than sorry

Fire is a good servant but a bad master

Give the devil his due

Just cause you don't see demonstrations it doesn't make it right. Just cause you don't see demonstrations it doesn't mean that we support the extremists. I could go on... but you see my point.

Yes, but it was not an answer... I just don't see why people get so upset because of some drawings in a newspaper when extremists at the same time blow themselves up in the middle of a crowd. Why don't we see reactions to that insanity?

its nothing more then free speach. like it or not people have a right to dis your relgion. as they do for mine. it comes down to nothing but free speech. i think its mean and wrong to attack most religions. but i believe they have a right to do so. everyone should have teh right to express their ideas and beliefs.

 

All what you say is good.

 

But I will tell you something.If the newspaper have a right freedom of speech,so please be fair.When I want to talk about anyone I must read his biography and see his action not going like blind person and insult him and I didn't know anything about him except his name [ It's shame ]

 

So who draw this cartoons and who published it did he know Muhammed did he read his biograghy

 

The freedom of speech is beautifull thing but if we respect it because it a double edged weapon

:)

 

 

free speach doesnt have to be fair nor should it be...it has NOTHING to do with it. free speach is about people being able to say lies or the truth...it shouldnt be free speech only if its 100% true. and how do you know who drew the cartoons didnt know much about muhammed for all we know he could know alot about him...

 

 

I know who drew the cartoons didn't know much about Muhammed through a little proof

 

Because if he know him [ really know him] ,he wasn't draw cartoons like this or thinking about it

 

But if he know much about him and published this lies,it's another case

 

So in your opinion, everybody has to have a positive view of Muhammed/the Islam? Sceptics are always wrong?

That's like - "Hey, you're criticising - get away and die."

A pretty ignorant point of view, if you're asking me.

Seriusly, i cant belive this world.. some people are trying to fix this world and on the other hand theres is A LOT of people trying to make conflicts.. :confused:

its nothing more then free speach. like it or not people have a right to dis your relgion. as they do for mine. it comes down to nothing but free speech. i think its mean and wrong to attack most religions. but i believe they have a right to do so. everyone should have teh right to express their ideas and beliefs.

 

All what you say is good.

 

But I will tell you something.If the newspaper have a right freedom of speech,so please be fair.When I want to talk about anyone I must read his biography and see his action not going like blind person and insult him and I didn't know anything about him except his name [ It's shame ]

 

So who draw this cartoons and who published it did he know Muhammed did he read his biograghy

 

The freedom of speech is beautifull thing but if we respect it because it a double edged weapon

:)

 

 

free speach doesnt have to be fair nor should it be...it has NOTHING to do with it. free speach is about people being able to say lies or the truth...it shouldnt be free speech only if its 100% true. and how do you know who drew the cartoons didnt know much about muhammed for all we know he could know alot about him...

 

 

I know who drew the cartoons didn't know much about Muhammed through a little proof

 

Because if he know him [ really know him] ,he wasn't draw cartoons like this or thinking about it

 

But if he know much about him and published this lies,it's another case

 

the cartoons prove NOTHING of his knowledge of Muhammed.....

Just cause you don't see demonstrations it doesn't make it right. Just cause you don't see demonstrations it doesn't mean that we support the extremists. I could go on... but you see my point.

Yes, but it was not an answer... I just don't see why people get so upset because of some drawings in a newspaper when extremists at the same time blow themselves up in the middle of a crowd. Why don't we see reactions to that insanity?

 

good point. what the terrorist are doing is agaisnt islam yet you do not see anyone in the middeast protesting it....

its nothing more then free speach. like it or not people have a right to dis your relgion. as they do for mine. it comes down to nothing but free speech. i think its mean and wrong to attack most religions. but i believe they have a right to do so. everyone should have teh right to express their ideas and beliefs.

 

All what you say is good.

 

But I will tell you something.If the newspaper have a right freedom of speech,so please be fair.When I want to talk about anyone I must read his biography and see his action not going like blind person and insult him and I didn't know anything about him except his name [ It's shame ]

 

So who draw this cartoons and who published it did he know Muhammed did he read his biograghy

 

The freedom of speech is beautifull thing but if we respect it because it a double edged weapon

:)

 

 

free speach doesnt have to be fair nor should it be...it has NOTHING to do with it. free speach is about people being able to say lies or the truth...it shouldnt be free speech only if its 100% true. and how do you know who drew the cartoons didnt know much about muhammed for all we know he could know alot about him...

 

 

I know who drew the cartoons didn't know much about Muhammed through a little proof

 

Because if he know him [ really know him] ,he wasn't draw cartoons like this or thinking about it

 

But if he know much about him and published this lies,it's another case

 

So in your opinion, everybody has to have a positive view of Muhammed/the Islam? Sceptics are always wrong?

That's like - "Hey, you're criticising - get away and die."

A pretty ignorant point of view, if you're asking me.

 

 

Oh,I think you misunderstood me

I say JUST BE FAIR

I say did who published this cartoons know if Muhammed used bomb before,kill someone without reason before or Muhammed was terrorist

I challenge him about what he draw and published it Just LIES

The thing about this entire discussion is that it has gone out of all proportions...and also those demonstrations. Why don't we see Moslems demonstrating when some extremist abuses their religion and beheads a Western journalist?!

 

Can anyone give me an answer?

 

I will give you the answer.

You didn't see the Moslems demonstrating when some extremist abuses thier and our relegion.

Because the authourities bunish them [ the suitable bunish ] at least in Egypt

 

But what happened in the last events very different for those reason:

 

1- First of all you must notice we didn't demonstrating after the publish of cartoons directly [ the publish date was 30 September 2005 ]

2- The Muslims announce that they condemn this cartoons and want from newspaper to apologize

 

So I will tell you why we demonstrating but you must notice that all Muslims are completely condemn any violence actions

1- No one [ Prime Minister Of Denmark or Newspaper] apologize

2-Prime Minister Of Denmark refuse to meet Eleven ambassador [ as they childern want to play with him ]

3-In spite of Muslims say this cartoons annoying us,many european newspaper published this cartoons as they want to incitement us

 

Did you know when we start demonstrating [ 29 January 2006 ]

The thing about this entire discussion is that it has gone out of all proportions...and also those demonstrations. Why don't we see Moslems demonstrating when some extremist abuses their religion and beheads a Western journalist?!

 

Can anyone give me an answer?

 

I will give you the answer.

You didn't see the Moslems demonstrating when some extremist abuses thier and our relegion.

Because the authourities bunish them [ the suitable bunish ] at least in Egypt

 

But what happened in the last events very different for those reason:

 

1- First of all you must notice we didn't demonstrating after the publish of cartoons directly [ the publish date was 30 September 2005 ]

2- The Muslims announce that they condemn this cartoons and want from newspaper to apologize

 

So I will tell you why we demonstrating but you must notice that all Muslims are completely condemn any violence actions

1- No one [ Prime Minister Of Denmark or Newspaper] apologize

2-Prime Minister Of Denmark refuse to meet Eleven ambassador [ as they childern want to play with him ]

3-In spite of Muslims say this cartoons annoying us,many european newspaper published this cartoons as they want to incitement us

 

Did you know when we start demonstrating [ 29 January 2006 ]

 

The Danish Prime Minister has nothing to apologize for, and actually we have a constitution that denies him this kind of power. He cannot interfere in what is published. If a publication, however, turns out to be against any rascist or blasphemic paragraphs, it can be taken to court. The Prime Minister has nothing to do with this, only the court. This is how democracy works in Europe.

 

And yes, I know when these demonstrations started. It was hard to believe that suddenly people in countries that Denmark supports economically begin burning off our flag, the Dannebrog. When are people going to understand that the cartoons were drawn by 12 artists, not the entire population of Denmark?

The thing about this entire discussion is that it has gone out of all proportions...and also those demonstrations. Why don't we see Moslems demonstrating when some extremist abuses their religion and beheads a Western journalist?!

 

Can anyone give me an answer?

 

I will give you the answer.

You didn't see the Moslems demonstrating when some extremist abuses thier and our relegion.

Because the authourities bunish them [ the suitable bunish ] at least in Egypt

 

But what happened in the last events very different for those reason:

 

1- First of all you must notice we didn't demonstrating after the publish of cartoons directly [ the publish date was 30 September 2005 ]

2- The Muslims announce that they condemn this cartoons and want from newspaper to apologize

 

So I will tell you why we demonstrating but you must notice that all Muslims are completely condemn any violence actions

1- No one [ Prime Minister Of Denmark or Newspaper] apologize

2-Prime Minister Of Denmark refuse to meet Eleven ambassador [ as they childern want to play with him ]

3-In spite of Muslims say this cartoons annoying us,many european newspaper published this cartoons as they want to incitement us

 

Did you know when we start demonstrating [ 29 January 2006 ]

 

The Danish Prime Minister has nothing to apologize for, and actually we have a constitution that denies him this kind of power. He cannot interfere in what is published. If a publication, however, turns out to be against any rascist or blasphemic paragraphs, it can be taken to court. The Prime Minister has nothing to do with this, only the court. This is how democracy works in Europe.

 

And yes, I know when these demonstrations started. It was hard to believe that suddenly people in countries that Denmark supports economically begin burning off our flag, the Dannebrog. When are people going to understand that the cartoons were drawn by 12 artists, not the entire population of Denmark?

 

 

I respect the Constitutinal Law of Denmark and I didn't say we want the Prime Minister to punish the newspaper and we know he can't but we was want him apologize because he represent Denmark and the newspaper represent also Denmark.If he did it early maybe it was stopped all what happened and didn't happen what happened.Anyway the newspaper apologize and it calm down the situation [ a little ].We hope what happened didn't happen again.

I hope also the relationship between us and Denmark come back quickly

The thing about this entire discussion is that it has gone out of all proportions...and also those demonstrations. Why don't we see Moslems demonstrating when some extremist abuses their religion and beheads a Western journalist?!

 

Can anyone give me an answer?

 

I will give you the answer.

You didn't see the Moslems demonstrating when some extremist abuses thier and our relegion.

Because the authourities bunish them [ the suitable bunish ] at least in Egypt

 

But what happened in the last events very different for those reason:

 

1- First of all you must notice we didn't demonstrating after the publish of cartoons directly [ the publish date was 30 September 2005 ]

2- The Muslims announce that they condemn this cartoons and want from newspaper to apologize

 

So I will tell you why we demonstrating but you must notice that all Muslims are completely condemn any violence actions

1- No one [ Prime Minister Of Denmark or Newspaper] apologize

2-Prime Minister Of Denmark refuse to meet Eleven ambassador [ as they childern want to play with him ]

3-In spite of Muslims say this cartoons annoying us,many european newspaper published this cartoons as they want to incitement us

 

Did you know when we start demonstrating [ 29 January 2006 ]

 

The Danish Prime Minister has nothing to apologize for, and actually we have a constitution that denies him this kind of power. He cannot interfere in what is published. If a publication, however, turns out to be against any rascist or blasphemic paragraphs, it can be taken to court. The Prime Minister has nothing to do with this, only the court. This is how democracy works in Europe.

 

And yes, I know when these demonstrations started. It was hard to believe that suddenly people in countries that Denmark supports economically begin burning off our flag, the Dannebrog. When are people going to understand that the cartoons were drawn by 12 artists, not the entire population of Denmark?

 

 

I respect the Constitutinal Law of Denmark and I didn't say we want the Prime Minister to punish the newspaper and we know he can't but we was want him apologize because he represent Denmark and the newspaper represent also Denmark.If he did it early maybe it was stopped all what happened and didn't happen what happened.Anyway the newspaper apologize and it calm down the situation [ a little ].We hope what happened didn't happen again.

I hope also the relationship between us and Denmark come back quickly

 

he should not apologize, he is using his freedom of speech, no need for an apology....