Rumsfeld okayed Abu Ghraib abuse says prison's former U.S. General

[GazeboflossUK]

Rumsfeld okayed abuses says former U.S. general

 

Reuters

Saturday, November 25, 2006

 

Outgoing Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the mistreatment of detainees at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, the prison's former U.S. commander said in an interview on Saturday.

 

Former U.S. Army Brigadier General Janis Karpinski told Spain's El Pais newspaper she had seen a letter apparently signed by Rumsfeld which allowed civilian contractors to use techniques such as sleep deprivation during interrogation.

 

Karpinski, who ran the prison until early 2004, said she saw a memorandum signed by Rumsfeld detailing the use of harsh interrogation methods.

 

"The handwritten signature was above his printed name and in the same handwriting in the margin was written: "Make sure this is accomplished"," she told Saturday's El Pais.

 

"The methods consisted of making prisoners stand for long periods, sleep deprivation ... playing music at full volume, having to sit in uncomfortably ... Rumsfeld authorized these specific techniques."

 

The Geneva Convention says prisoners of war should suffer "no physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion" to secure information.

 

"Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to any unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind," the document states.

 

A spokesman for the Pentagon declined to comment on Karpinski's accusations, while U.S. army in Iraq could not immediately be reached for comment.

 

Karpinski was withdrawn from Iraq in early 2004, shortly after photographs showing American troops abusing detainees at the prison were flashed around the world. She was subsequently removed from active duty and then demoted to the rank of colonel on unrelated charges.

 

Karpinski insists she knew nothing about the abuse of prisoners until she saw the photos, as interrogation was carried out in a prison wing run by U.S. military intelligence.

 

Rumsfeld also authorized the army to break the Geneva Conventions by not registering all prisoners, Karpinski said, explaining how she raised the case of one unregistered inmate with an aide to former U.S. commander Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez.

 

"We received a message from the Pentagon, from the Defense Secretary, ordering us to hold the prisoner without registering him. I now know this happened on various occasions."

 

Karpinski said last week she was ready to testify against Rumsfeld, if a suit filed by civil rights groups in Germany over Abu Ghraib led to a full investigation.

 

President Bush announced Rumsfeld's resignation after Democrats wrested power from the Republicans in midterm elections earlier this month, partly due to public criticism over the Iraq war.

[Matter-Eater Lad]

Shit happens.

[GazeboflossUK]

Yeah, yeah......great.

[Matter-Eater Lad]

Worse things happen in the world then men being forced to be naked....

[GazeboflossUK]

Your right, worse things than men being forced to be naked DO happen....BUT more than that happened there.....

 

AND just because worse things happen doesn't mean it should be tolerated or make it right does it.

 

OR the fact that it was pretty much led from the top.

[Matter-Eater Lad]

Your right, worse things than men being forced to be naked DO happen....BUT more than that happened there.....

 

AND just because worse things happen doesn't mean it should be tolerated or make it right does it.

 

OR the fact that it was pretty much led from the top.

 

Ive seen worse high school pranks then what happened there. Its crying over stupid stuff. Hell ive done worse to people in jokes....im not saying it was a good thing, but its not the evil everyone tries to make it be.

[GazeboflossUK]

I think we better end it there, before you saying something even more ridiculous.

 

 

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[Matter-Eater Lad]

You must have missed out on alot in high school if you even went to it. or quite possibly you've just had a boring life, anyways the fact remains ive seen some crazy shit, worse then the "abuse" done in the prison...if you can even call it that.

[GazeboflossUK]

Ok, I now consider your words on this to be an attempted wind-up...it has to be....ok, I get it.

 

BUT, if any of the following happened at your school then, and only then, I can understand your viewpoint.....

 

!!!!!!!CAUTION GRAPHIC IMAGES OF ABUSE AND INHUMAN BEHAVIOUR!!!!!!!

 

 

Here's a list of admitted, confirmed activities:

And remember, this is just what the military could confirm as having happened:

 

a. (S) Punching, slapping, and kicking detainees; jumping on their naked feet;

 

b. (S) Videotaping and photographing naked male and female detainees;

 

c. (S) Forcibly arranging detainees in various sexually explicit positions for photographing;

 

d. (S) Forcing detainees to remove their clothing and keeping them naked for several days at a time;

 

e. (S) Forcing naked male detainees to wear women's underwear;

 

f. (S) Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate themselves while being photographed and videotaped;

 

g. (S) Arranging naked male detainees in a pile and then jumping on them;

 

h. (S) Positioning a naked detainee on a MRE Box, with a sandbag on his head, and attaching wires to his fingers, toes, and penis to simulate electric torture;

 

i. (S) Writing "I am a Rapest" (sic) on the leg of a detainee alleged to have forcibly raped a 15-year old fellow detainee, and then photographing him naked;

 

j. (S) Placing a dog chain or strap around a naked detainee's neck and having a female Soldier pose for a picture;

 

k. (S) A male MP guard having sex with a female detainee;

 

l. (S) Using military working dogs (without muzzles) to intimidate and frighten detainees, and in at least one case biting and severely injuring a detainee;

 

m. (S) Taking photographs of dead Iraqi detainees.

 

a. (U) Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees;

 

b. (U) Threatening detainees with a charged 9mm pistol;

 

c. (U) Pouring cold water on naked detainees;

 

d. (U) Beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair;

 

e. (U) Threatening male detainees with rape;

 

f. (U) Allowing a military police guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed against the wall in his cell;

 

g. (U) Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick.

 

h. (U) Using military working dogs to frighten and intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one instance actually biting a detainee.

 

 

BUT THIS HAPPENS AT YOUR SCHOOL EVERY DAY DOESN'T IT?

AND YOU THINK IT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED AT MINE?

 

I know you obviously were just being stupid about this from the start, right?

 

Shit happens

Ive seen worse high school pranks then what happened there. Its crying over stupid stuff. Hell ive done worse to people in jokes....im not saying it was a good thing' date=' but its not the evil everyone tries to make it be.[/quote']

...the fact remains ive seen some crazy shit' date=' worse then the "abuse" done in the prison...if you can even call it that.[/quote']

 

Yeah, of course....hmmmm.

[Matter-Eater Lad]

Yeah ive seen worse. you must have boring friend and a boring life

[berrywoman]

Shit happens.

 

 

nice.:rolleyes:

[Matter-Eater Lad]

nice.:rolleyes:

 

Sorry but far far far worse things happen every day, no need to bitch about the small things;)

[GazeboflossUK]

:thumbsdown:

 

Tell that to a few tortured and dead Iraqi's and their families...

 

The lives of people in other countries are equal to those who die in ours......especially when our countries have waged an illegal war upon them.

 

Anyway, I know your only trying to seem outrageous in your comments on purpose.....:thumbsdown:

[burningmonk]

He would have caused an uproar if they were Israelis..

[indanomati]

^ well said, Mo!

[Matter-Eater Lad]

:thumbsdown:

 

Tell that to a few tortured and dead Iraqi's and their families...

 

The lives of people in other countries are equal to those who die in ours......especially when our countries have waged an illegal war upon them.

 

Anyway, I know your only trying to seem outrageous in your comments on purpose.....:thumbsdown:

 

 

No. IM saying they werent even being tortured in the prison...its callled abuse if you can EVEN use that term. and in this case most use it very litely.

 

Now when were cutting of their penises or shocking them to death or actually torturing or abusing them, THEN we have cause for concern but until then people need to realize what happened was not that bad and much worse things happen all the time. Im not saying what happaned was ok by any means, just as someone bullying another kid is not ok....just not a big deal.

[GazeboflossUK]

No, no....you basically shrugged these off at the beginning, had a little joke to yourself about it........now you look like a fucking twat you feel the need to redeem your character by having a bit of a play around with the words "touture" and "abuse" and their 'meaning' when anyone with half a fucking brain cell can work out what I was getting at.....

 

Sorry if I call 'Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on someone torture instead of abuse, fuck me.

Or Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick (WTF?)

Or saying that a male MP guard having sex with a female detainee is wrong.

 

Btw, you still end up looking like a pubescent, trouble making asshole.

[Matter-Eater Lad]

No, no....you basically shrugged these off at the beginning, had a little joke to yourself about it........now you look like a fucking twat you feel the need to redeem your character by having a bit of a play around with the words "touture" and "abuse" and their 'meaning' when anyone with half a fucking brain cell can work out what I was getting at.....

 

Sorry if I call 'Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on someone torture instead of abuse, fuck me.

Or Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick (WTF?)

Or saying that a male MP guard having sex with a female detainee is wrong.

 

Btw, you still end up looking like a pubescent, trouble making asshole.

 

I never shrugged it off or feel like a "twat" because all along ive said this is nothing huge, nor as bad as you WANT it to be. I feel no sorrow about this at all. Mainly because i never said it was ok just not a huge deal;)

 

And you're still a moron...guess were both at a loss:\

 

But this is nothing about my character but you're need for attention and to make every little thing seem HUGE...because in the end thats all a conspiracy theorist is, a person with a mental problem. A desperate need for attention so they make mountains out of molehills to feel better about minor existence. The people who make big scenes because their mommies daddies never payed them enough attention. People who realize they are meaningless in the grand scheme of things so they want to make noise to feel special.

[GazeboflossUK]

Mrfool says "But this is nothing about my character but you're need for attention and to make every little thing seem HUGE...because in the end thats all a conspiracy theorist is, a person with a mental problem. A desperate need for attention so they make mountains out of molehills to feel better about minor existence. The people who make big scenes because their mommies daddies never payed them enough attention. People who realize they are meaningless in the grand scheme of things so they want to make noise to feel special."

 

 

Seriously, you couldn't be more wrong.

[Matter-Eater Lad]

Whatever makes you sleep better at night.....

[berrywoman]

 

Btw, you still end up looking like a pubescent, trouble making asshole.

 

 

:blush: you're my hero, Gareth.... :kiss: lol well said.

[Matter-Eater Lad]

Ahhh Cam is back.....its time for a good laugh.(Go ahead and try to say something smart, i love reading your crap)