ugadawg5 Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=4614004&page=1 Olympic Torch Emits 5,500 Tons of CO2 By DAVE DEMERJIAN April 9, 2008 Angry protesters, riot police, mass demonstrations, arrests for disorderly conduct -- it hasn't exactly been smooth sailing for the Olympic-torch relay. If people are looking for another reason to be pissed at China, how about this: By the time this pyro parade is over, it will have produced about 11 million pounds of carbon emissions. Chinese President Hu Jintao holds the Olympic torch after lighting the cauldron during the Beijing 2008 Olympic torch lighting ceremony, Monday, March 31, 2008, at Tiananmen Square in Beijing, China. (Robert F. Bukaty/AP Photo)The torch is visiting 23 cities during a global sweep that includes stops in London, Paris, San Francisco, Bangkok, Islamabad and Almaty among others. The Beijing Olympics Organizing Committee says the journey will cover more than 85,000 miles. Related Biofuel: Bad for the Environment?San Francisco Braces for Torch ProtestsBuy a Carbon Offset, Save the Planet? So when the torch isn't being marched through city streets and/or extinguished by protesters, how is it getting around? You guessed it, by plane -- an Air China A330 custom painted with the Olympic logo and color scheme. The A330 burns 5.4 gallons of fuel per mile. That translates into 462,400 gallons for the entire trip. With Earthlab estimating that every gallon of jet fuel burned produces 23.88 pounds of CO2, the Olympic Torch Relay is adding about 11 million pounds of carbon to the atmosphere. That's 5,500 tons. London has a plan to ensure that the 2012 torch relay ends up carbon neutral, so we figured that Beijing must have one too, right? Sally Lu, the frazzled Olympic media relations rep that we reached in Beijing, says that if there is a plan to neutralize the torch-carrying jet's carbon emissions, she hasn't heard about it. But she thinks there is one. Probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bart Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 I think this olympics may be a farse.. It could be the ideal stage for anyone that lives in china / tibet to raise their issues when the games are on, and I dont think the chinise authorties will be able to control it.. as they will be infront of the worlds press.. ! if I was the IOC I would be thinking of a back up plan... As if we get a repeat of what happend in 1989, I think the whole world will turn its back on china including Russia ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bart Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 Maybee these protesters around the world are being secretly funded by the Western Goverments to undermine Chinas... what does anyone else think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matter-Eater Lad Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 No, western nations need a strong china for trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazeboflossUK Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 Yeah, I have no problems trading with China in theory.......but the government/power over there is just so evil and corrupt that we need to think about who we are funding. Actaully - our countries have pretty bad governments/power people, so we should be going after them all.....after all the US help put Mao in power way back.....we really have some sick people running OUR world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bart Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 We do... just talked to someone about this, and he said it would be better if the protesters stayed away as it would be agianst the spirt of the games. Politics and differences should be set aside.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMagpie Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 Yeah, I have no problems trading with China in theory.......but the government/power over there is just so evil and corrupt that we need to think about who we are funding. Actaully - our countries have pretty bad governments/power people, so we should be going after them all.....after all the US help put Mao in power way back.....we really have some sick people running OUR world. The U.S. have been propping up corrupt leaders and funding violence and corruption around the world for the past 70 years or so. Countless cases in Latin America.....you name it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazeboflossUK Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 The U.S. have been propping up corrupt leaders and funding violence and corruption around the world for the past 70 years or so. Countless cases in Latin America.....you name it. Indeed. It's a well known historical fact. Mao Zedong, Hitler, Saddam, Stalin, Al-Qeada plus many more.....ALL funded/created by the anglo-american-global elite and privete bankers. But the problem lies with the complete blindness of most people to understand that the recent "war" is born out of the exact same model..... ...fund and organise complete chaos in any given region of the world, then pose as the saviours and purveyors of order and goodness - while raping us of freedoms at home and gaining control of more global regions. It's complete horseshit and everyone needs to be informed of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matter-Eater Lad Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 Hitler was an Indirect result of America and Europe as a whole. We didn't fund or work with hitler, just caused the right enviroment for him to take power and then did nothing about it. But Europe is more guilty about that then america, where america is to blame for Mao, Saddam, and many other dictators. You always go to far to make everything America's fault, Hitler was Europe's mess up and it costed trillions of american dollars and hundreds of thousands of american lives, and we helped create EU because of the mess. 60 years later and Europeans want to blame America for ww2 and Hitler, after we fixed their mess and GAVE trillions to European governments. I'm sure in your book every single thing in history is America's fault. I'll agree with the things that are, terrorism, most of the bad dictators in the 20th century, but Hitler is not the direct fault of America. The only way you could try to blame it on us, would be through the hard restrictions we put on Germany after ww2, and ignoring Germany's military build up and Hitler. But we were isolationist at the time, isn't that what you want america to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazeboflossUK Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 This is the problem... You don't read what I have written. I don't blame you (the US)....that is ridiculous. Hitler was backed by the anglo-american, global elite, private bankers, and royality.......now called the NWO - their term. I'm not making it personal to all Americans...are you for real? You have had a hi-jacked government for about 70 years.....I'm not blaming you I'm blaming them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMagpie Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 Indeed. It's a well known historical fact. Mao Zedong, Hitler, Saddam, Stalin, Al-Qeada plus many more.....ALL funded/created by the anglo-american-global elite and privete bankers. But the problem lies with the complete blindness of most people to understand that the recent "war" is born out of the exact same model..... ...fund and organise complete chaos in any given region of the world, then pose as the saviours and purveyors of order and goodness - while raping us of freedoms at home and gaining control of more global regions. It's complete horseshit and everyone needs to be informed of it. Its unfortunate too that to discover most of this information you have to find it out for yourself because they aren't going to teach it in schools and they are not going to print it in the local newspaper or show it on the news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matter-Eater Lad Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 This is the problem... You don't read what I have written. I don't blame you (the US)....that is ridiculous. Hitler was backed by the anglo-american, global elite, private bankers, and royality.......now called the NWO - their term. I'm not making it personal to all Americans...are you for real? You have had a hi-jacked government for about 70 years.....I'm not blaming you I'm blaming them. Ok, but he was not backed by Anglo-American forces, because they had nothing to gain from it, and a lot to loose. I know the history quite well on this. You can trace the majority of this problem directly to Germany not Anglo-Americans or the NWO. That is simply revisionist's history to fit your modern political agenda. In this case You're seeing what you want to. As far as most of the other cases, I agree with you. By not holding those truly responsible for such acts, people/governments allow them to happen again. Europe now days wants to pawn its historical problems off on "Anglo-Americans" when they share most the blame for Hitler and WW2, this will just creat another major problem in the future. Like Europe does over and over again, and now America is doing the same thing as Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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