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wow, this thread seems a blast from the past.....

Yes, of course it is, your absolutely right. The very fact that these officers thought they could do this sort of stuff in plain view of everyone and get away with it, is pretty scary.

THE NEW WORLD DISORDER 'Bush doesn't think America should be an actual place' Tancredo says president believes nation should be merely 'idea' without borders ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ November 19, 2006 4:19 p.m. Eastern By Joe Kovacs © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo. PALM BEACH, Fla. – President Bush believes America should be more of an idea than an actual place, a Republican congressman told WND in an exclusive interview. "People have to understand what we're talking about here. The president of the United States is an internationalist," said Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo. "He is going to do what he can to create a place where the idea of America is just that – it's an idea. It's not an actual place defined by borders. I mean this is where this guy is really going." Tancredo lashed out at the White House's lack of action in securing U.S. borders, and said efforts to merge the U.S. with both Mexico and Canada is not a fantasy. "I know this is dramatic – or maybe somebody would say overly dramatic – but I'm telling you, that everything I see leads me to believe that this whole idea of the North American Union, it's not something that just is written about by right-wing fringe kooks. It is something in the head of the president of the United States, the president of Mexico, I think the prime minister of Canada buys into it. ... "And they would just tell you, 'Well, sure, it's a natural thing. It's part of the great globalization ... of the economy.' They assume it's a natural, evolutionary event that's going to occur here. I hope they're wrong and I'm going to try my best to make sure they're wrong. But I'm telling you the tide is great. The tide is moving in their direction. We have to say that." (Read all the article here)

New Bond Film Highlights 9/11 Insider Trading Fails to mention it led straight back to the CIA, was not investigated by 9/11 Commission Steve Watson Infowars.net Monday, November 20, 2006 In a twenty first century update, the new James Bond Movie, Casino Royale, directly references 9/11 and highlights the fact that massive manipulation of airline stocks prior to the attacks account for a leading motive behind the event. The movie, based on the original 1953 novel, has been updated with a terrorism plotline in which the bad guy, Le Chiffre, is a banker to the world's terrorists and in order to stop him, and bring down the terrorist network, Bond must beat Le Chiffre in a $150 million poker game at the Casino Royale. The movie contains a significant reference to 9/11 when M, the fictional head of MI6, tells Bond the following: "When they analyzed the stock market after 9/11 the CIA discovered there had been massive shorting of airline stocks. When the stocks hit bottom on 9/12, somebody made a fortune." In the film, Bond prevents the same thing happening again with the Boeing stock, by thwarting the bombing of an airbus prototype plane at Miami airport. With their prototype destroyed the company would have been near bankruptcy. Instead, someone (we later discover it's Le Chiffre) loses over a hundred million dollars betting the wrong way as Bond foils the plot. As has been extensively reported over the past five years, multiple sources of criminal insider trading were discovered after 9/11, indicating that many different parties had prior knowledge of the attacks. The most significant instances of this however, and ones obviously not revealed in the Bond film, are the CIA and FBI linked cases that indicate the intelligence services, at best had prior knowledge of the attacks, and at worst were involved in their orchestration. The London Independent among others reported that the firm used to buy many of the "put" options – where a trader, in effect, bets on a share price fall – on United Airlines stock was headed until 1998 by "Buzzy" Krongard, at the time the executive director of the CIA. Until 1997, Mr Krongard was chairman of Alex Brown Inc, America's oldest investment banking firm. Alex Brown was acquired by Bankers Trust, which in turn was bought by Deutsche Bank. His last post before resigning to take his senior role in the CIA was to head Bankers Trust – Alex Brown's private client business, dealing with the accounts and investments of wealthy customers around the world. Other publications reported similar stories concerning FBI personnel. On the one hand it is quite surprising to see that such a reference to the shorting of airline stocks made it into the Bond movie, primarily because the 9/11 Commission spectacularly omitted it from their investigation into the attacks. One would think that any investigation would attempt to follow the money as it were, to trace the funding of and profits made from the attack in an attempt to discover the perpetrators. Apparently not in this case. The Commission also failed to look into the fact that the head of the Pakistani Intelligence agency, General Mahmoud Ahmed, wired $100,000 to the lead hijacker, Mohammed Atta, in the days before 9/11. Ahmed was having breakfast on the morning of 9/11 with Porter Goss, the head of the House Intelligence Committee and the next head of the CIA. Is the 9/11 reference a simple plot device in the Casino Royale? Is it an attempt by the script writers to further blow the whistle on the insider trading? Or is it an attempt to steam valve the information, to mix fiction with reality and thus confuse the two? In another item of interest to Infowars readers, the film, on general release now, also features Bond being "chipped" with a tracking device in his forearm, which at one point saves his life.

I agree... But... People get mad only if Military Action is ill planned, costs more inocent lives than it actually saves and means a firery hell hole is left at the end of it all. And, after all, it's not something which is affecting the plans made by the power people in our countries so they aren't really too bothered to fix it....the more people being slaughtered there the better, it seems *oh boy* But yes, it's been going on too long and only now is the 'talking' about it getting alot of attention.

Indeed, It's becoming a joke.

Yep, you are right. Some of the things you have described fit with what I was told by my friends. I also really understand that far worse thing will be going on and that the mental scars are seriously damaging to someone whole life.

Well, what she described, along with some other bits of things I have been told by my other friend (he didn't talk about it as much)....there seems to be some pretty intense practices during their training as well as while depolyed in the field. Since I've moved, I actually don't get to see the two people I'm talking about anymore....but it was all very interesting stuff. Things you would never hear about unless you do speak to friends like this "off the record"

Hey, my freinds are lovely people too...I'll make that clear too. And I bet you never dream about killing people in exactly the same way really. They way she described it to me was very saddening. It was real horror.

Well, I think there's a problem with the way they are trained. We all know troops in the army are vigerously pumped into killing machines. I know pretty much exactly the training from a couple of people I know and it's horrifying - something I could never go through. They basically force feed them a constant barrage of information, over and over until they can't even begin to question any moral issues. One of my friends, a girl, said that she sometimes used to wake up from a dream shouting - she was actually killing people in her sleep. So, it's not as if I just say these things. Although I do know it's not ALL the troops, I'll make this clear again, but it is a growing number by all reports. Just look at the extent of the Abu-Ghraib scandal....that involved some high profile positions, yet most seemingly escaped court martial. But..I already assume it's not all...but it's growing and making an issue of it helps. Imagine if all those at Abu-Ghraib managed to hide what they were doing? would they have done similar things since? who knows for sure.

Haha, why does this not suprise me. Why do you need to have CNN as a proper news source?? IF you don't trust one source in which you claim "you never saw what he was doing before that" why would you trust another? And anyway...it's not justifying the disgusting disproportionate force used by the 'police'. Also...this part "Tabatabainejad instead encouraged others at the library to join his resistance" does NOT mean they have you use the Tazer on him 5 times. Also, you actually hear multiple people say "he was already leaving" on the video. Now, I'm not saying that the CNN article is lying but it too misses alot of the details out.

But I'm not saying it's the "norm".....I'm saying there's an increase in the abuse of power and it is becoming more common. I'm not saying it's happening every hour of the day but there's an raise and I don't like it. It's that simple. I'm really not trying to make everyone think ALL police or ALL our troops are abusing their position....only that it is going on and unless we show people it's happening when it does, there will be more and more cases...even by the same people who think they are getting away with it..... ...so that's the whole reason.

I really don't need you to tell me this.....already know all that....I would assume most people with a decent mind already make this assumption upon hearing such information. But when it gets to a stage when these acts become more common, like alot of them are, I think making a bit of noise about it is acceptable.

:) << apparenty this means I agree, I think. (Although it's not all the troops, a select few)

^ Speaking about weak minded people....hmmm....that's a bit too "I am rubber and you are glue....blah, blah"... Anyway... Seems now I'm a celebrity! And I pray on the weak minded...ohhh....scary I am, watch out....I'm coming after YOU!!! Ohhh!! Although, 'Celebrity' is awful... And hey...errm...."MR COOL".....Oh, infact, I was going to say something here but you'd just mess about with the context to make some ill founded claim or somehow invent a new way of catorgrising it as propaganda.

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I already do, regularly.

You know what..I don't normally say this but....why don't you just fuck off somewhere else and make your silly little comments (like that above) somewhere else? I'm not suprised this stuff happens, yet you say I am. Stop playing the "insult to the troops" card. Because that's not the case you dick. /insults & swearing for the day is over. ^ my anger doesn't take away from the issue at hand.

Yeah, I left that bit out of my discussions.....but yeah...your right.

That beating video from February.....which shames our troops, as well as our county. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2348133041403172295&sourceid=docidfeed&hl=undefined I've never actually seen all this until now....the above video is yet another example of the sickening way some troops act in Iraq. Notice, nobody stops the troops and the army camera man is just plain fucking evil, sick and demented And it's British troops here this time....they punch, beat and kick Iraqi children as they plead for the troops to stop. That sadistic camera films all the brutal scenes of torture while laughing, screaming, growling and frothing like a serial killer filming a kind of snuff movie. 'Iraqi children throw rocks as they flee from running British troops, are grabbed, brought inside a gate and beaten half to death. The censorship spies at You Tube rejected it 2 minutes after. Then being re-named "Fluffy Happy Poodles In Heaven," to try and bypass their keyword filters and it was still rejected. It was blocked for "terms of use violation." "Oh yes! Oh Yes! You're gonna get it!" snarls the cameraman. "Yes! Naughty little boys." He laughs as they boys begin to scream out in pain, "Yes!" Listen to the guy act like the devil as he gets off on what he is seeing. He mocks the cries of pain from the boys, "No please don't hurt me," laughs again and then proceeds to begin frothing in some kind of insane carnal bloodlust, "Motherfuckers, you little fuckers - die!" Adult Iraqis are brought in and similarly assaulted - the video ends here. A probe of this video led to the arrest of the cameraman, Cpl Martin Webster, but after that the investgation seemingly went nowhere and was swept under the rug. Originally leaked in February this year, this is just the latest in a long line of "trophy videos" that expose the true face of what the troops have been trained and ordered to do in Iraq, dominate, brutalize and enslave the population - and it's why nearly 3,000 have come home in flag-draped coffins. This is why the Iraqis hate us. 'No one is suggesting that U.S. troops should roll over like a poodle if someone is shooting at them - they have every right to shoot back no matter what your view on the war is. The rubicon is crossed when petty thieves, children who throw rocks or completely innocent people are brutalized without recourse and the one thing that betrays the true nature of it all is the sadistic reaction of the protagonists who enjoy the torture, the beatings and the death. The assumption that Iraq is now liberated and that its people have suffered for the glorious opportunity of seeing democracy and freedom flourish throughout their country is the last thread the Neo-Cons are hanging onto as claims of weapons of mass destruction and Al-Qaeda ties evaporated long ago. Yet to claim Iraq is liberated is the most absurd of any of the justifications for going to war or "staying the course." 'This is why the Iraqis hate us.' I guess the Iraqi children should feel lucky in that they got their retaliation in first by throwing rocks.....many are simply arrested hooded and taken to the torture camp for refusing to show ID at checkpoints.' It's good to see that the authorities are not complete hypocrites and that the same kind of torture by authority figures happens at home in our countries, as I posted yesterday - Mostafa Tabatabainejad can attest to, the student was tortured for refusing to show his ID to UCLA police in a campus library. The fun will continue when the same kind of barbarous fiends who get orgasmic pleasure from watching children being tortured come back home and become our police. THIS IS WHY THE IRAQI'S HATE US!!!

Again!! FOR GODS SAKE!! We aren't talking about THAT happening!!!....why must you always invent situations to then attack us on principles based around your created situation? It's like your trying attribute "a cop shooting a drug dealer is all wrong" to me.....when I for one haven't even mentioned that. What I have talked about is the topic of this thread, where police absolutely violated their power and it's disgusting.

' They are only supposed to tazer someone when they're an immediate threat. The guy in the incident was being harassed by Police, and obviously made a bad move when he started yelling at the Officers The Police aren't supposed to escalate a situation when there's no need......e.g. as in this case grabbing a student who's already been told to leave and is actually walking towards the exist. Thes officers were either badly trained & unskilled, or had something against students, or maybe this student in particular. Police had better start watching how they are acting. If they keep this up, they'll find their backs against the wall sooner rather than later. This was harassment, nothing else. Random ID checks, needless in this situation.

No, I don't think this particular event happens everyday. But it's not once in a blue moon. However, It's too many times for my liking.