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NOT IT ISN'T....Your both really having a laugh right? Every story would then be pointless if you want to think like that.....when you see someone killed on the tv news you might as well think think "ah, well, loads of people die anyway...that has been blown out of proportion". But that doesn't happen in your minds because it's 'reported on tv or in a paper that's being going for years'....... Jesus, it's like the figging twilight zone here sometimes..you should hate this sort of stuff.....what ever happened to your back-bone? I'm only posting this and I really shouldn't care what a couple of petulant nobody's think....I'm sorry but it's true....in my eyes your are becoming worthless entities.

If everybody had your attitude then we would soon be in alot more trouble. Rather than condemn the disgusting action you would rather make the case for it's insignificance. I'd really like to see your reaction it it had been you getting that sort of evil treatment......because I feel it would be a 360 turn around from your current stance.

These things are reported all the time and whatever you say you can't say what happened there was exactly right, can you? Come on...

This sort of stuff isn't exactly rare, just last week there was a big news story about 2 Police officers who held a man to the ground by his thoat, choaking him, while telling him to stop moving, as one officer punched him in the face 4-5 times. These are just the events we actually get to see. You two Nick and the Smut man will do anything to have a go at prisonplanet while completely ignoring what most human beings see as utterly wrong. I think you just do it on purpose now....infact...you must be. You are alone on this one, or at least I hope you are. You make nice little slaves to the system, until of course it happens to someone you know or your family. You both make me want to "puke my fucking guts out". (American Beauty)

Ok, but to be fair...and I think everyone will agree....that's not the issue here, though.

Yeah, I can take long video's on my phone, just depends on what size SD memory card I wish to use. You hear the witnesses shouting to the officers to stop and also asking for their badge numbers. They too are then told they are to be tazered if they don't stop it. I hope something proper and serious is actually done about the way they acted.

Nah, apart from not having his I.D, he wasn't doing anything. Wasn't charged with anything. UCLA police said Tabatabainejad was released by police after he was cited for obstruction/delay of a peace officer in the performance of duty. The Daily Bruin reported that Tabatabainejad complained when an officer was escorting him from the lab and put his hand on one of Tabatabainejad's arms. He allegedly yelled, "Get off of me," according to the paper. He was then shot with the Taser, reported the paper.

Yeah, yeah...it's at the Grand Hyatt, I was reading about it a few weeks ago....boy that has quickly came around. Well, I hope it doesn't get ugly either. Although I think the police wearing black ski masks looking like Darth Vader just increases tension in the atmosphere. LOL. :P

Oh, and also make sure you have developed an ability to be unaffected by 50,000 volt electric shocks....because otherwise, like this guy, your toast. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3GstYOIc0I Americans To Be Tortured For Refusing To Show ID? Student shocked, tortured for defending constitutional rights Paul Joseph Watson Prison Planet Thursday, November 16, 2006 A horror video that wouldn't look out of place in Maoist China or Nazi Germany shows a student being repeatedly shot with a stun gun by UCLA police for the crime of not showing his ID. As similar cases begin to pile up how long will it be before Americans are routinely tortured for noncompliance and refusing to have their 4th amendment violated? "A cell phone captured video of a 23-year-old student being administered multiple Taser shocks by UCLA police on Tuesday. The UCLA student was hit with the Taser shocks multiple times while he was in the Powell Library Computer Lab. According to the paper, (Mostafa) Tabatabainejad did not show ID to community service officers who were conducting a random check," reports NBC. Watch the video above and witness as the cops bark at Tabatabainejad to get to his feet as simultaneously shock him over and over until he begins crying and screaming for them to stop. Police are given extensive training on the use of stun guns and in most cases that training involves taking a taser shot and feeling the effects. Depending on each individual's physiology, it takes at least a minute to be able to even stand after a single Taser shot. Over a hundred deaths have occurred in America as a result of taser shocks and Taser's own manual discourages repeated shocks, yet the history of their use tells us that police simply administer repeated shocks until "compliance is gained." This is a euphemism for torture. The video and the eyewitness reports describe multiple taser shots as Tabatabainejad begs and pleads while at one point screaming, "Here's your Patriot Act, here's your f---ing abuse of power." The officers repeatedly order Tabatabainejad to stand even as they administer further shocks - sending 50,000 volts of current that override the nervous system and temporarily paralyze muscles shooting through his system again and again. He can't stand and the cops know it, they just get off on the maniacal ego power trip of torture and this is why Tabatabainejad is hit again and again despite his screaming and the protests of the onlookers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EahooGbQrUs Similar cases abound in the so-called land of the free, including the video above in which a housewife, Abbey Newman, is assaulted and arrested for simply refusing to tell the gestapo her name at an unconstitutional checkpoint. Another case in which an Alex Jones listener, Ferrell Montgomery, was tasered and had a dog set on him again underscores the brutal and sadistic nature of the police. Like Tabatabainejad, Montgomery was repeatedly told to put his hands behind his head and stand up while he was electric shocked and a dog savaged him for not complying. In November 2005, Deborah Davis was reading a book on a Denver bus when a guard of a nearby federal building got on board and demanded everyone show their ID. Davis refused, leading the guard to "call on federal cops, who then dragged Davis off a public bus, handcuffed her, shoved her into the back seat of a police car and drove off to a police station within the Federal Center." How long before Americans are tortured with taser weapons on the streets for refusing to show identification on a routine basis? How long before we are forced to wear shock collars like some bizarre science fiction movie, where our masters can discipline us on a whim for not obeying orders? It may be a lot sooner than we think. Every indication suggests that there are moves afoot to implement these measures on every major street corner and transport system. A year ago we were told that Federal air marshals were to expand their work beyond airplanes, launching counter-terror surveillance at train stations and other mass transit facilities. So called "Visible Intermodal Protection and Response" teams — or VIPER teams, may soon be permanently deployed to check ID's under the banner of counter-terrorism. We need to set a precedent now whereby police who use taser stun guns and any other kind of unreasonable force as implements of torture, simply if an individual refuses to have their 4th amendment right illegally violated, are instantly fired, sued and can never work in any sector of government, policing or security again. Watch this space for further updates on the Tabatabainejad case.

ahh, ok.

I don't get it, you seem to love 'America: Freedom to Fascism'.....as do I, it's a great film....but in other threads you can't seem to grasp how we are all manipulated and are being raped of freedoms, left right and centre. I've heard Aaron Russo talk on radio many times and he knows the deal, he knows the official 9/11 story is a joke and that everything about Iraq was a lie. Interesting.

Again you make up things that weren't even there. By saying "next someone will steal explosive material and get (not) in trouble"...you are implying that this is along the lines of my thinking. [i assume you meant 'not' in the section I quoted you on] And saying "If you dont want to follow the rules dont play the game" shows you up, for having very a limited ability to address the issue.... What you do is create a more serious situation out of thin air, comment on that and then just hope people related to what I was talking about. And you've done that perfectly above. God, you're so transparent. Shameful.

What aimless, pointless jabbing. I really can't be bothered with this. I would just be insulting myself to spend time arguing against such juvenile, twisted logic. (NO PUN INTENDED)

Mid-flight sexual play lands US couple afoul of anti-terrorism law AFP Wednesday, November 15, 2006 A couple's ill-concealed sexual play aboard a Southwest Airlines flight from Los Angeles got them charged with violating the Patriot Act, intended for terrorist acts, and could land them in jail for 20 years. According to their indictment, Carl Persing and Dawn Sewell were allegedly snuggling and kissing inappropriately, "making other passengers uncomfortable," when a flight attendant asked them to stop. "Persing was observed nuzzling or kissing Sewell on the neck, and ... with his face pressed against Sewell's vaginal area. During these actions, Sewell was observed smiling," reads the indictment filed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. On a second warning from the flight attendant, Persing snapped back threatening the flight attendant with "serious consequences" if he did not leave them alone. The comment was enough to have the couple, both in their early 40s, arrested when the plane reached its destination in Raleigh, North Carolina, and charged with obstructing a flight attendant and with criminal association. They have been placed under legal surveillance until their trial on February 5. If found guilty, they both could be sent to jail for up to 20 years. Persing's lawyer William Peregoy said his client was not feeling well when he placed his head on his companion's lap, and that he only threatened the flight attendant with reporting him to his superiors on landing.

"I follow facts and evidence" - jesus, will you ever shut up with this?!?! We all supply information which has to be considered. Why are you so unique that when you provide information it is evidence and others info isn't? You never make an attempt to explain that. Your FACTS and EVIDENCE moaning is plain stupid because you never supply them. You also just say that everybody elses evidence is infact NOT evidence, and this is generally.......I don't understand you. I know you don't like me saying this but I'm going to say it anyway.....You really need to grow up in this respect because your arguments aren't good, trust me.

Well, yeah, I wouldn't have said what he said but it really was an isolated comment which wouldn't have really made any change to any FA policy and he should have just been told to deal with it. Although, he should be able to say that she was terrible official if indeed she was. And if he feels she was just put there for Political Correctness and didn't do her job properly then he has a right to say that. I know he maybe flew off the handle a little and I personally don't have a problem with women being involved in officiating football......but the point above is a fair one. If they bring in women because they feel that they need to and the job performance isn't good then I would expect this type of reaction. I'd feel the same if they brought a man into a given position purely based on political correctness and he was terrible. Comments like "If it was left to Newell, women would end up like those in Nazi Germany" are ridiculous. Totlally un-called for really.

That's your issue man. Ok, I get it....you're an idiot....you don't have to post such absolutely un-informed hoggwash, ok? Right.

PC Mad Britain Savages Newell's Thought Crime Soccer manager Newell slammed, castigated and investigated for daring to criticize a female official, betrays broader mental illness of political correctness insanity threatening to destroy free speech Paul Joseph Watson Monday, November 14, 2006 A soccer manager's critical comments towards a female official this past weekend in Britain have provoked a backlash of zealous condemnation, in a damning indictment of how the political correctness movement is being used across Europe to inflict a chilling effect on freedom of speech. Here are Luton Town manager Mike Newell's comments in full after his team lost 3-2 to QPR on Saturday and the female official, Amy Rayner, failed to award Newell's side a clear penalty. "We have a problem in this country with political correctness, and bringing women into the game is absolutely beyond belief." "It is bad enough with the incapable referees and linesmen we have, but if you start bringing in women, you have big problems." "She should not be here. I know that sounds sexist, but I am sexist, so I am not going to be anything other than that." "This is Championship football. This is not park football, so what are women doing here? It is tokenism for the politically-correct idiots." Now League Managers' Association chief executive John Barnwell says Newell is "skating on thin ice," as he is the subject of a Football Association investigation and his own team's board have publicly distanced themselves. His reputation is in tatters and despite being forced to publicly apologize, Newell could potentially lose his job within days. Agree or not, Newell has a right to freedom of speech but he is about to get the book thrown at him and the media has dragged his name through the mud It isn't sexist to suggest that men are better than women at some jobs and women better than men at others - that's called common sense. How many women do you see working on oil rigs? Is it sexist to suggest men are better suited to the job? Likewise, women are better secretary's because in most cases they communicate better than men. Men and women are different and have different strengths and weaknesses. It is perfectly within anyone's rights to clearly state this fact without rebuke. From personal experience and the views of many others, the female official in question, Amy Rayner, is completely inept and is simply there for PC tokenism as Newell said. But this isn't a debate about whether women are equipped to referee football matches, it's an indictment of the frothing, maniacal and indignant response of the "politically correct" jackboot thugs - people like Elton John, who last week called for all religion to be banned. We are mandated by peer pressure and cultural bullying to "tolerate" homosexuals, foreign immigrants, the welfare class, and a whole range of other groups, minorities, cults, sub-cultures and sexual perversions spanning the entire breadth of the scum-ometer, and for the most part we do exactly that. The vast majority do not wish to physically harm these individuals and anyone who does should rightly be punished. The problem lies in the fact that the very same crowd that preaches "tolerance" is totally intolerant of anyone who dares utter a word against them. Decrees of political correctness and the doctrines of liberal mind control have swamped Europe to the point where Christian ministers are being arrested for reading Bible passages. It is also an illegal offence in Britain to criticize homosexuality. Though, according to the BBC website, a significant majority seemingly support Newell, the comments of a hardcore of ninnying brainwashed liberal buffoons speaks volumes. Outside of the realm of soccer fans, the following sentiments are sure to reflect the majority in Britain. "If it was left to Newell, women would end up like those in Nazi Germany - in the home, kitchen, and looking after children," remarks one. So according to some of these lunatics, cooking, cleaning and caring for children is akin to fascism and mass genocide? "Mike Newell's comments are a disgrace in the 21st Century. This sort of thing now would even be out of order in the deep south of America," froths another. Unfortunately the Newell saga is just a drop in the ocean of a society infested with enforced rules about vocabulary, concepts and opinions that one can barely utter a sentence without offending some minority and being liable for hate crime accusations. The only remaining sectors of society it is permissible to lambaste or make fun of is pedophiles and Christians - question any other minority, sexuality, race, gender or religion and the thought police are on your back in an instant. The sheep herd the rest of the sheep and no one is allowed to step outside of the pen. - In November 2002 BBC presenter Robin Page was arrested for saying in a speech a month earlier that the farming community should have the same rights as Muslims, homosexuals and vegetarians. Police traveled from 200 miles away to question Page, before detaining him in a prison cell with dried feces on the wall and later charging him with incitement to racial hatred - simply for stating farmers should have the same rights! - In 2001, Gloucestershire Police set up 'Operation Napkin' in which senior police officers were sent to 'ethnic restaurants' to eat four-course dinners and at the same time listen out for "racist hate speech." Arrests were made as a result of the program. - In January a student who called a mounted policeman's horse "gay" was arrested under section 5 of the Public Order Act for making homophobic remarks and taken to court. - Just last month a 14-year-old school girl was arrested in Manchester for making a "racist comment," after she refused to work with a group of Asians during a science tutorial because none of them spoke English. - Reports of "hate crime raids" where PC subversives are rounded up like terrorists by police are commonplace. - In the U.S., members of the Repent America organization were arrested and criminally charged, with prosecutors attempting to secure 47-year prison sentences, for the crime of reading Bible passages on the street during Philadelphia's 2004 "Outfest" gay pride march. Hate crime legislation that will render such examples routine is now being introduced and passed in major western countries, including the U.S., where a federal hate crime bill that passed the House added "sexual orientation" to the list of hate crimes, effectively criminalizing the Bible. Although this is obviously only selectively enforced at present, the arrival of a Hillary Clinton in 2008 could entail fines, censures and even arrests of radio hosts, commentators and public speakers simply for criticizing homosexual marriage and gay adoption. The hate crime agenda is a trojan horse to eliminate free speech. Moral, upstanding individuals are treated as second class citizens while all manner of sub-cultures are exalted and used as controlled opposition to constrict the boundaries of acceptable discourse, thus criminalizing virtually everything we dare say and tarring us as racists, gay-bashers and bigots.

Boy, computers eh?

I know. It's beyond crazy. Just have ignore the lack of understanding after a while. Also, why is every organisation who are against the US or UK etc. called terrorist organisations? I know why but I don't think most people do.

Hmmm, I though he would go soon actually. Glenn Roeder better not be given the boot.....He's done so much for the club. He got us into a europe qualifying position last season for gods sake, when we looked very unlikely to do so. He (or the team) is having a bad premiership run but I've seen the team play very well at times and I'm happy he is doing a good job......however there's a few players who need to start earning their money now though. Anyway......unluckly for Iain Dowie.

Cheney Next on the Chopping Block? Wayne Madsen Monday, November 13, 2006 According to Washington insiders, there are moves afoot to dump Vice President Dick Cheney and replace him with either John McCain or Rudolph Giuliani prior to the 2008 presidential election. Whoever succeeds Cheney will be able to campaign for the presidency with the perks that come with being an incumbent Vice President. Since the increasingly-besieged Cheney has signaled he has no intention of voluntarily stepping down, the strategy by the Bush camp may be to force him out by presenting evidence before Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald that it was Cheney who was responsible for the compromise of CIA non-proliferation covert officer Valerie Plame Wilson and her Brewster Jennings & Associates cover firm. Observers note the unusual professional relationship between Fitzgerald and Karl Rove's defense attorney Robert Luskin. Insiders believe that Fitzgerald may be proffered a carefully crafted deal by Luskin whereby Rove will testify to Cheney's primary role in the outing of Mrs. Wilson and her firm. The sealed indictment of Rove will then be retired permanently. If such a deal is worked out, Fitzgerald may then offer a deal to Lewis I. "Scooter" Libby, Cheney's former Chief of Staff, to also testify against Cheney. With such double-barreled testimony, President Bush will then be compelled to ask Cheney for his resignation or face a very nasty and public indictment. The game plan appears to be what DC insider Sally Quinn foresaw in her Washington Post op-ed last month, an article that suggested she has spoken extensively to a Donald Rumsfeld who was aware of his impending firing. The op-ed stated that Rumsfeld would not be the scapegoat for Iraq and planned to resign shortly after the election. Quinn, seemingly channeling Rumsfeld, stated that after Rumsfeld left, there will be only two scapegoats left: Dick Cheney and George W. Bush. The article concluded by asking which person would be served up as the official scapegoat for Iraq. This editor wrote, "based on the arrival of James Baker and a coterie of George H. W. Bush old hands on the scene to bail out Dubya, it is clear that the Bush family does not intend to allow one of its own to be declared scapegoat." With word from White House sources that Cheney was opposed to the sacking of his old mentor Rumsfeld and even more resistant to the naming of Bush family loyalist Robert Gates to take his place, it is clear that Cheney doesnot want to be placed in a position of exposure. However, even Cheney neo-con allies like Richard Perle and Ken Adelman, sensing that Cheney is the designated scapegoat, have bellowed about the Iraq war being a mistake and are now distancing themselves from the Cheney group, once the most powerful operating cell within the Bush administration.