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Stop trying to tie me to your silly ramblings. Bush is a puppet, not the mastermind. I wouldn't have liked to have been on those planes if they had been blown up, no. What a silly question.

Does it say those exact words? Al-Qaeda is a CIA funded front, yes. But it wasn't created to for the sole purpose of attacking the twin towers. It was blamed on them, I'll give you that. And Nick....I've decided you should actually give up your ignorant ways and actually learn something worthwhile. I know's there's lots of people like you and it's easy to go along with that sort of flow....but man, you one ill American.....and when I say 'ill' I don't mean in a good way.....I mean in a very bad way. yuck. ^ And as bad as it sounds, this really isn't a dig at 'you' --- it's a punch, aimed right at your suppressed thoughts....trying to give them a litttle kick-start you know.....because you HAVE TO know deep within you that this whole thing stinks and it's clearly an inside job......it's just those thoughts have been blocked by the evil of the mass media and their long running efforts to capture the minds of everybody and programming in an instant reaction to the questioning of the people who "rule" us.......and this reaction is "You nutjob!" or "Your with the terrorists!" or anything along those lines.

His statement has been slightly spun and used to the advantage of the war-happy governments who would love a chance to take over another middle-eastern country and turn another part of the region into a hell hole (If it's not already). It's true that Ahmadinejad did talk about removal of the regimes in Israel and in the U.S as something he would want to see. But this is something I want.... However, he never called for the elimination or annihilation of the state of Israel or it's people. I quote: "Our dear Imam said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine..." Sure, he used language that may be he knew would cause a stir but the "wiped off the map" quote has been used over and over within the media and especially on TV news where those 4 particular words are the only thing mentioned about his speech. Look, I don't exactly agree with Ahmadinejad's running of internal matters within Iran but to substitute a demand for removal of a 'regime' into a demand for removal of a complete state is pretty serious deception and dangerous demagogy. "But now that I'm on Iran, the threat to Iran, of course -- (applause) -- the threat from Iran is, of course, their stated objective to destroy our strong ally Israel. That's a threat, a serious threat. It's a threat to world peace; it's a threat, in essence, to a strong alliance. I made it clear, I'll make it clear again, that we will use military might to protect our ally, Israel, and -- (applause.)" George W. Bush, US-President, 2006-03-20 in Cleveland (Ohio) in an off-the-cuff speech (source: http://www.whitehouse.gov)

Eleven charged over 'bomb plot' Eleven people have been charged in connection with an alleged plot to blow up several transatlantic airliners. Eight have been charged with conspiracy to murder and preparing acts of terrorism. Two are accused of failing to disclose information and a 17-year-old faces a charge of possessing articles useful to a person preparing acts of terrorism. Read more from the BBC website here Hmmm, that's under half of the people that were originally held - and with the 20+ people in Pakistan looking likely to be released without charge......I wonder how many of these 11 people actually get punished and sentenced for anything related to this so-called "plot".

That artice is terrible. Whoever wrote needs to be sacked. saying "most ridiculous idea I have ever heard - even worse than the moon landing hoax bullshit." doesn't address the hundreds of lies by the Bush administration concerning the events of 9/11. What an idiot.

http://www.911revisited.com/video.html Hour long video documenting the hundreds of individual accounts and evidence of explosions within the towers on 9/11. It collapsed to dust!.....watching this footage really shows every inch being exploded. Watch the buildings! It can be upsetting.

^^Wow, who would have thought it? You mean there might be less than meets the eye about the Great London Bomb Plot, when George W. Bush singlehandedly foiled the imminent death of thousands of people by using his super-president powers of warrantless wiretapping? (That is how the story is being pitched by Bush minions like the cadaverous Michael Chertoff and the chubby-cheeked enabler of torture Al Gonzales, right?) But if even the CIA's old running buddies in the Pakistan secret services can't wring enough plausible evidence out of Rauf with their renowned methods of information extraction, could it be that the whole great googily-moogily is about to unravel? Wise man William Blum has this take: "Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear -- kept us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor -- with the cry of grave national emergency. Always there has been some terrible evil at home or some monstrous foreign power that was going to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it by furnishing the exorbitant funds demanded. Yet, in retrospect, these disasters seem never to have happened, seem never to have been quite real." -- General Douglas MacArthur, 1957. ....From what is typical in terrorist scares, it is likely that the individuals arrested in the UK August 10 are guilty of what George Orwell, in 1984, called "thoughtcrimes". That is to say, they haven't actually DONE anything. At most, they've THOUGHT about doing something the government would label "terrorism". Perhaps not even very serious thoughts, perhaps just venting their anger at the exceptionally violent role played by the UK and the US in the Mideast and thinking out loud how nice it would be to throw some of that violence back in the face of Blair and Bush. And then, the fatal moment for them that ruins their lives forever ... their angry words are heard by the wrong person, who reports them to the authorities. (In the Manhattan flood case the formidable, dangerous "terrorists" made mention on an Internet chat room about blowing something up.) Soon a government agent provocateur appears, infiltrates the group, and then actually encourages the individuals to think and talk further about terrorist acts, to develop real plans instead of youthful fantasizing, and even provides the individuals with some of the actual means for carrying out these terrorist acts, like explosive material and technical know-how, money and transportation, whatever is needed to advance the plot. It's known as "entrapment", and it's supposed to be illegal, it's supposed to be a powerful defense for the accused, but the authorities get away with it all the time; and the accused get put away for very long stretches. And because of the role played by the agent provocateur, we may never know whether any of the accused, on their own, would have gone much further, if at all, like actually making a bomb, or, in the present case, even making transatlantic flight reservations since many of the accused reportedly did not even have passports. Government infiltrating and monitoring is one thing; encouragement, pushing the plot forward, and scaring the public to make political capital from it is quite something else. Chris Floyd | August 21 2006 Kurt Nimmo, adds this telling gloss: How fortuitous, especially for the neocons and Bush’s Ministry of Homeland Security, busily working to trounce the Constitution and turn America into a snoop and police state. “Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff called on state legislators Thursday to embrace new federal driver’s license requirements to strengthen security,” reports the Associated Press. “Starting three years from now, if you live or work in the United States, you’ll need a federally approved ID card to travel on an airplane, open a bank account, collect Social Security payments, or take advantage of nearly any government service. Practically speaking, your driver’s license likely will have to be reissued to meet federal standards,” explained CNet News in March. In addition to name, birth date, sex, ID number, a digital photograph, and address, “Homeland Security is permitted to add additional requirements—such as a fingerprint or retinal scan—on top of those.” In short, without this new card, slotted to go online by 2008, you will be unable to function in society. Yeah, but with all the extra security keeping us so safe, they'll probably let you take your Metamucil on a plane. That's enough freedom for anybody, right?

Pakistanis find no evidence against ‘terror mastermind’ GLEN OWEN / UK Daily Mail | August 20 2006 The Briton alleged to be the ‘mastermind’ behind the airline terror plot could be innocent of any significant involvement, sources close to the investigation claim. Rashid Rauf, whose detention in Pakistan was the trigger for the arrest of 23 suspects in Britain, has been accused of taking orders from Al Qaeda’s ‘No3’ in Afghanistan and sending money back to the UK to allow the alleged bombers to buy plane tickets. But after two weeks of interrogation, an inch-by-inch search of his house and analysis of his home computer, officials are now saying that his extradition is ‘a way down the track’ if it happens at all. It comes amid wider suspicions that the plot may not have been as serious, or as far advanced, as the authorities initially claimed. Analysts suspect Pakistani authorities exaggerated Rauf’s role to appear ‘tough on terrorism’ and impress Britain and America. A spokesman for Pakistan’s Interior Ministry last night admitted that ‘extradition at this time is not under consideration’.

Me???

That's all you've got. "you haven't got commen sense"....oh give it a rest will you. What a loser you'll become in this if you continue to dismiss it with such ignorance.

Hmmmm, I think there can actually be a "thrid side" to this - people who can see the radicalisation of the middle-east by the west through many means.

This is an old story.... You do know that he never said that he wanted to actually wipe Israel off the map? And frankly, danger to the world comes from within' your own government. The scum who lead us will descend us into hell on earth.

Honestly, your complete lack of knowledge of what happened on 9/11/2001 is shameful. If it had happened in the UK I would have made it my duty to find out the truths which were hidden away from public view. As I have done with the 7/7 London Bombings AND with 9/11. It's nothing to do with theories anymore. Don't you get it? There's so many MAJOR areas where the government have lied....but you just want to ignore it. I don't know what else I can say? I'm not crazy, I'm not mad, I'm not a "nut job", I'm not ANY of those things. It's CLEAR that the government have covered up the events. You hear that? IT IS CLEAR. It shouldn't be about persuading you.........you should already know that there have been MASSIVE lies to cover their backs.........It's beyond me why every single person on earth who wasn't involved can't see the truth of that awful day. The biggest lie ever sold in our lifetime. You need to understand, you really NEED to stop being so, what you call 'patriotic' towards your leaders! They've lied, cheated and killed people....all in the name of MONEY, POWER and DOMINANCE of our lives and the world. They are criminals....big, ultimate gangster style crooks. Now if you don't want to know about why your so-called leaders of your country are doing all this then that's the biggest problem you have in your life.

Of course it's one too far......it' being too far for a long time. It's a shame it's come to this. It's all about the fear that's been driven into us. Now, people are more likely to agree to ridiculous mesures that are said to make them 'safer' when in truth these new security will only take away more of our freedom. I mean, if a group of "terrorists" wanted to harm lots of people then they could just turn up at an airport with bags full of bombs and detonate them in the airport. It's doesn't need to be on the plane. It could be outside, anywhere.....on Oxford Street in London.....

hahaha, Indeed it is. Well, the amount of new laws that have been passed makes almost everything a 'terrorist act' these days. That's across both sides of the Atlantic. Did you know that for every day Tony Blair has been in 'power' a new law has been created. Well, a new offence for every day spent in office. That's over 3,000.

hahaha, I doubt it. He's using 'IT' as a reference to what he said.....I think... I dunno :(

Of course it won't......this ceasefire isn't going help the fate of the region but it is saving lives in the meantime.

I must admit I haven't seen any report of that on any mainstream news channel/sites or elsewhere. I must have missed it.... Oh.. Actually, think I know what you mean.....after the resolution was passed (on a saturday) there were still 2 days of fighting on boths sides with Israel saying that they would halt attacks on the monday I think it was.

Lebanon truce shaky after battle UN Secretary General Kofi Annan has expressed deep concern over Saturday's Israeli commando raid on Lebanon, which he called a truce violation. Lebanon has said it may halt its army deployment in the south - a key element of the ceasefire plan. The night raid in the eastern Bekaa Valley - deep inside Lebanon - left one Israeli soldier dead and two injured. Israel said it was trying to disrupt weapons supplies from Iran and Syria to Hezbollah, and insisted the truce held. This crater in Bodai is said to have been caused by an Israeli air strike The raid centred on the village of Bodai, west of the city of Baalbek, some 100km (60 miles) north of the Israeli border and is the most serious incident since the UN-brokered truce came into effect on Monday. "The secretary general is deeply concerned about a violation by the Israeli side of the cessation of hostilities," a spokesman for Mr Annan said on the UN website. Such violations "endanger the fragile calm", the statement said. Read Full Story here - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5267736.stm

What would they have arrested her for?

Make up stories? How ignorant.

What? It's all pretty obvious.

Haha, I know of that floppy disk.....everybody had it at my school too. Hey, add some sulphur and barium nitrate to that Thermite and you get Thermate. Now that stuff really cooks! woo! Military style!

^ exactly, as I said before - if she had been breaking the law in an aggressive way then I guess they should have arrested her - rarther then shooting her in the head with a rubber bullets when she was just standing there with a bit of cardboard above her. Everybody can see that those Police acted with a complete lack of humnity and thought it was the funnist & best thing they did all week. Utter scum. I never said criminals shouldn't be punished but it was made out that I maybe think police should let murderers or rapists go free - Obviously I don't think that.

Hitting a Nerve CRAIG MURRAY | August 19 2006 I appear to have hit a nerve with my call for a sceptical view of the alleged "bigger than 9/11" plot. In the UK, at least, the more serious wing of the mainstream media is beginning to catch up with the idea that all is not well here. Still, after eight days of detention, nobody has been charged with any crime. For there to be no clear evidence yet on something that was "imminent" and "Mass murder on an unbelievable scale" is, to say the least, rather peculiar. The 24th person, who was arrested amid much fanfare yesterday, has been quietly released without charge today. Breaking news, another "suspect" has just been released too. The drip, drip of information to the media from the security services has rather dried-up. The last item of any significance was that they had found a handgun and a rifle--neither of which could have been in any use in the alleged plot. If you were smuggling undetectable liquid explosive onto a plane, you would be unlikely to give the game away by tucking a rifle into your hand baggage. As with the murder some years ago of the uncle of the suspect held in Pakistan, it remains a possibility that there could be some criminal activity here involving a few of the suspects, which is not terrorist linked. As the Police immediately told the press about the guns, it is a reasonable deduction that it remains true that they still have found no bombs or detonators, or they would have told us, particularly as they haven't charged anyone yet. They must be getting pretty desperate to announce some actual evidence by now. This brings us to one particuarly sinister aspect of the allegations--that the bombs were to be made on the plane. The idea that high explosive can be made quickly in a plane toilet by mixing at room temperature some nail polish remover, bleach, and Red Bull and giving it a quick stir, is nonsense. Yes, liquid explosives exist and are highly dangerous and yes, airports are ill equipped to detect them at present. Yes, it is true they have been used on planes before by terrorists. But can they be quickly manufactured on the plane? No. The sinister aspect is not that this is a real new threat. It is that the allegation may have been concocted in order to prepare us for arresting people without any actual bombs. Let me fess up here. I have just checked, and our flat contains nail polish remover, sports drinks, and a variety of household cleaning products. Also MP3 players and mobile phones. So the authorities could announce--as they have whispered to the media in this case--that potential ingredients of a liquid bomb, and potential timing devices, have been discovered. It rather lowers the bar, doesn't it? This has a peculiar resonance for me. I spoke at the annual Stop the War conference a couple of months ago. I referred to the famous ricin plot. For those outside the UK, this generated the same degree of hype here two years ago. It was alleged that a flat in North London inhabited by Muslims was a "Ricin" factory, manufacturing the deadly toxin which could kill "hundreds of thousands of people". Police tipped off the authorities that traces of ricin had been discovered. In the end, all those accused were found not guilty by the court. The "traces of ricin" were revealed to be the atmospheric norm. The "intelligence" on that plot had been extracted under torture in Algeria--another echo here, as the "intelligence" in this current case has almost certainly been extracted under torture in Pakistan. Another police tip-off to the media was that the intelligence had been stored in plastic jars, and they had indeed found plastic jars containing a suspicious substance. It turned out the containers in question were two Brylcreem tubs. What was in them? In the first, paper clips. In the second, Brylcreem. I told the story in my speech, and concluded with a ringing "So we must congratulate the government for saving us from a dastardly Islamic plot to take over the World using hair styling products." I fear the government may have taken me seriously! I do not discount the possibility that there is a germ of something behind the current alleged plot. Will it be anything like the hype? No. The hype scarcely lowers. On the flagship ten o'clock news last night, the BBC reported breathlessly on the United flight diverted from Washington to Boston last night, and its fighter escort. We had very earnest besuited security experts terrifying us about the dangers. The extraordinary thing was that, by this stage, we knew definitely that this was a 60 year old woman with claustrophobia, who had a few loose matches and some Vaseline intensive care hand lotion in the bottom of her handbag. The facts reported were totally at odds with the whole manner of the "be terrified" report and the analysis being built on it. But that didn't stop them. It has, of course, worked. When did you last see Iraq on the news? Where is Liebermann's defeat now on the news agenda? Craig Murray served as the British Ambassador to Uzbekistan from August 2002 to October 2004. He can be reached at: http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/index.html