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Hey, I already pointed out everything you said was just pure straw man rubbish. So this one indeed is NOT on me "bud"... I was saying that if you continue to believe and support the police even when they cleary act in a sickening way then it is that type of behavior which is harming your country and will allow the neo-cons to lead the US into a police state. Look, I'm not directly saying you are 'anti-american' because your obviously not, I know that - but - unwittingly you aren't helping your country by supporting this type of behavior.

I already responed to that here http://www.coldplaying.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1748387&postcount=218

(London) Daily Mail: Flight 93 'was shot down' Daily Mail | August 19 2006 The heart-thumping moment came when when passengers on board one of the hijacked 9/11 jets fought back against the ruthless fanatics hellbent on crashing the plane into the heart of America. Jumping out of their seats to a rallying cry of ‘Let’s roll!’, they charged towards the front of the Boeing 757 and began smashing down the cockpit door to reach the hijackers at the controls. Amid the desperate commotion, the plane rolled violently from right to left and pitched up and down as the rogue pilots tried to throw the passengers beyond the door off balance. As the struggle continued, the cockpit voice recorder captured the hijackers urgently discussing whether to ditch the plane. ‘Is that it? Shall we finish it off?’ asked one of the fanatics. ‘No, not yet. When they all come, we finish it off,’ was the reply. Minutes later, at10.03am, with the same voices shouting in Arabic, ‘Allah is the greatest, Allah is the greatest,’ the plane headed down, banked hard right and rolled on to its back. It smashed into an empty field near Shanksville, Pennsylvania, at its top speed of 580mph and exploded into a massive fireball. The flames set nearby woods on fire as the impact sprayed body parts and other debris into the trees and up into the sky, to float to earth as far as eight miles away. This, then, is the legend of United Airways Flight 93, one that has been vigorously promoted in a stream of books and films, most recently in the £9.6 million Hollywood movie United 93. It is the story of how 33 innocent passengers and seven crew gave their lives to save countless others as their plane flew kamikaze-style towards the White House or the Capitol in Washington. To a nation still reeling from the attacks on New York’s World Trade Centre and the Pentagon that same September morning, these were men and women every bit as heroic as those who had fought at the Alamo. Yet my own exhaustive investigations have led me to conclude that the story of Flight 93 is far from being the straightforward account of supreme courage that the authorities would have us believe. Instead, the real story is mired in cynical manipulation and warmongering propaganda. I am convinced there is evidence to suggest a wholly sinister twist to the tale that already holds pride of place in American folklore. For I believe that Flight 93 may well have been deliberately shot down as a means of stopping it from reaching its ultimate target — even at the expense of the 40 blameless people on board. It is a suspicion that was held even by the FBI, but was swept aside as a shaken America clung on to the official version of selfless sacrifice and raw patriotism. Today, with the approach of the fifth anniversary of 9/11, some will still say that such speculation only serves to lend comfort to terrorists and does a disservice to the dead. Others, however, will feel there are too many disquieting circumstances and unanswered questions to simply ignore. But let us examine the evidence — so that you can come to your own conclusion. The massive impact caused the entire plane to disappear 30ft deep into the earth, telescoping down on itself and crushing everyone and everything inside the fuselage beyond recognition. However, the absence of any significant debris — including tailplane and wings — bewildered witnesses, relatives and, more importantly, some crash experts. They found it hard to believe that an airliner up to 155ft long, with two engines each weighing more than six tons, could have penetrated the ground so completely as to utterly disappear. Had it, in reality, been blown to pieces in mid-air? CERTAINLY, it is unclear how a single piece of fuselage the size of a dining room table could have been recovered from a marina in Indian Lake, a couple of miles away from the crash site — unless it fell from the sky during an aerial break-up. But a bigger mystery is why the engines went missing. Considering their weight, they should have plunged deep into the earth along with the rest of the airliner. Yet they weren’t in the crater and only a one-ton segment of an engine was ever recovered, again more than a mile from the crash site. The FBI said, unconvincingly, that it had ‘bounced’ there. The FBI also claimed metal fragments found up to eight miles away could have been carried there by the wind, even though the breeze was very light. Witnesses said nothing was left at the crash site, yet the FBI belatedly claimed to have made two sensational discoveries — a red bandana and a passport allegedly belonging to the hijackers. Very conveniently, these turned up as prosecution evidence earlier this year at the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, the socalled 20th hijacker and only terrorist to be convicted over the 9/11 atrocities. IF FLIGHT 93 was shot down, there must have been a fighter jet in the skies to unleash a guided missile. The U.S. government has admitted that two F-15s were flying above New York City before 9am on September 11 and three F-16s were patrolling over Washington by 9.40am. They could have reached Shanksville in minutes. According to investigative writer David Ray Griffin, several witnesses saw two F-16s tailing Flight 93 minutes before it went down. They claim they saw an F-16 move closer in and fire what were probably two Sidewinder missiles, one of them catching at least one of the Boeing’s huge engines, after which the ‘plane dropped like a stone’. Someone else ‘heard a loud bang’ and saw the airliner plummet. A Vietnam War veteran said he ‘heard a missile’, a sound he knew well. It is debatable how seriously we should take these reports. But there are numerous and highly credible witness accounts of a mysterious white jet being seen after Flight 93 went down. Jim Brant, owner of the Indian Lake marina where debris was found, said he heard the roar of jet engines overhead, then saw a fireball rise into the air. He looked up and noticed a white plane circling the wreckage. ‘It reminded me of a fighter jet,’ he said. Another resident, Tom Spinelli, said: ‘I saw the white plane. It was flying around all over the place like it was looking for something. I saw it before and after the crash.’ He said it had high tail wings and no markings on it. John Feegle, another witness, said: ‘It didn’t look like a commercial plane. It had a real goofy tail on it, like a high tail. It circled around, and it was gone.’ Dennis Decker and his friend Rick Chaney were also close to the impact site. ‘As soon as we looked up we saw a mid-sized jet flying low and fast,’ said Decker. ‘It appeared to make a loop or part of a circle, and then it turned fast and headed out.’ Decker and Chaney described the jet as white with no markings. Decker added: ‘It was a jet plane, and it had to be flying real close when that 757 went down. If I was the FBI, I’d find out who was driving that plane.’ A total of 12 eyewitnesses are on record as having seen the white jet. One witness, Susan McElwain, complained that the FBI told her there was no plane and did not note down her account. However, amid the growing furore over the sightings, the FBI was forced to offer an explanation, which again many found unconvincing. It claimed the jet was a passing civilian Fairchild Falcon 20 that was asked to descend to 5,000ft some minutes after the crash to give co-ordinates for the site. The plane and pilot have never been produced or identified. One commentator pointed out: ‘The reason why this seems so implausible is that, first, by 10.06am on September 11, all non-military aircraft in U.S. airspace had received orders more than half an hour earlier to land at the nearest airport. ‘Second, such was the density of emergency phone calls from people on the ground in the Shanksville area as to the location of the crash site, that aerial co-ordinates would have been completely unnecessary. ‘Third, with F-16s supposedly in the vicinity, it seems extraordinarily unlikely that, at a time when no one knew for sure whether there might be any more hijacked aircraft still in the sky, the military would ask a civilian aircraft that just happened to be in the area for help.’ THE military’s role in 9/11 is shrouded in confusion, ambiguity and inconsistency. A news report on September 20, 2001, said: ‘America’s defence establishment has disclosed that it ordered its fighter jets to intercept all the passenger aircraft hijacked in last week’s attacks on New York and Washington.’ The report also stated that military intelligence was aware of the hijackings before any of the aircraft had hit their targets. Three years later, however, the military said it hadn’t heard about Flight 93 until after the plane had crashed — a line accepted by the official 9/11 Commission, which published its findings in July 2004. The official inquiry said the Federal Aviation Authority — responsible for the security and safety of U.S. civilian aviation — had been incompetent in failing to alert the U.S. Air Force. But the FAA had already acted quickly in ordering more than 4,000 aircraft to land at the nearest airstrip to avoid any more hijacks. And the military would have learned of Flight 93’s hijack via teleconferences set up by the FAA, the White House and the U.S. Defence Department as events began to unfold on September 11. Richard Clarke, who ran the White House video conference, stated that at 9.27am, the FAA informed both Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and General Richard Myers, Chief of Defence Staff, of a number of ‘potential hijacks’ including ‘United 93 over Pennsylvania’. Therefore, more than 25 minutes before Flight 93 went down, both Rumsfeld and Myers knew all about it. No wonder the military’s claim to have learned about Flight 93 only after it crashed is dismissed by many as a bare-faced lie. IN OTHER air crashes, information from the flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder — the black box recorders — were dealt with in an open manner, with crash investigators from the National Transportation Safety Board discussing the progress of their inquiries with reporters. But in the case of Flight 93, the Transportation Safety Board was not in charge of the investigation — the FBI was. The black box recorders were reportedly found buried 25ft deep inside the crater. But a threeminute discrepancy in the crash time led to suspicions of foul play. Seismic records, consolidated from four seismology stations in the region, originally pegged the impact time at 10.06am. It was only later that the Pentagon and the 9/11 Commission decreed that the correct impact time to have been at 10.03am. But Terry Wallace, who heads the Southern Arizona Seismic Observatory and is considered the leading expert on the seismology of man-made events, was puzzled. He complained: ‘The seismic signals are consistent with impact at 10.06am and five seconds plus or minus two seconds. I don’t know where the 10.03 time comes from.’ So there were two crash times. Sceptics note that a lot could happen in three minutes — minutes that could be removed from the end of a flight-deck recording to delete evidence of an attack by U.S. jets. The FBI kept the contents of the voice recorder secret until it was forced by bereaved relatives to play the tape under heavy security at a hotel in April 2002. The family members later reported they heard sounds of an on-board struggle beginning at 9.58am, with a final ‘rushing sound’ at 10.03am, when the tape fell silent. Could the ‘rushing sound’ have been made by the plane being holed? And what of the moment when the plane hit the ground? ‘There is no sound of the impact,’ said Kenneth Nacke, whose brother Lou had been on Flight 93. There is a further twist. In 2006, when the judge at the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui ordered a transcript of the cockpit voice recorder, it ended with the sound of the hijackers shouting praises to Allah. Just where had those praises been in 2002 when the tape was first played to relatives? For many, their sudden appearance confirmed suspicions of tape tampering. AT FIRST, the FBI was keen to show it was keeping an open mind over the fate of Flight 93. Within days of the crash, Reuters reported from Shanksville: ‘Federal investigators said they could not rule out the possibility that the United Airlines jetliner that crashed in rural western Pennsylvania during this week’s attacks on New York and the Pentagon was shot down.’ ‘We have not ruled out that,’ FBI agent Bill Crowley told a news conference when asked about reports that a U.S. fighter jet may have fired on the hijacked Boeing 757. ‘We haven’t ruled out anything yet.’ Why did Crowley later retract his statement — and on the same day as the U.S. Air Force issued its official denial of any involvement? AT THE crux of the legend of Flight 93 are the phones calls passengers are said to have made to their loved ones after the hijackers took control. These are said to have alerted the passengers to the fact that they were victims of no ordinary hijacking, but a co-ordinated mission by fanatics to strike at the heart of America in New York and Washington. At the same time, a number of passengers allegedly told relatives of their resolve to fight back. Interestingly, phone contact from passengers on the two hijacked planes that hit the Twin Towers and a third jet which crashed into the Pentagon that same morning was scarce to non-existent. Yet officially there were 35 calls made among the 40 passengers and crew on Flight 93, with callers using either mobile phones or GTE Airfones fitted into the backs of the aircraft seats.The use of mobile phones is suspect anyway because telecommunications experts say that — given the technology of 2001 — calls at an altitude of six miles could have only occurred by fluke at best. Just as baffling, the FBI insisted there were 13 mobile phone calls — of which there were no billing records — yet reduced this number to just two at the trial this year of Zacarias Moussaoui when the evidence risked being exposed to the harsh light of law. Why had the FBI failed to put the record straight over the previous four-and-a-half years? One answer is that it suited the heroism legend to keep silent as the Pentagon banged the drum for war in Iraq. The 9/11 Commission claimed that five of the calls described the intent of the passengers and crew to revolt against the hijackers. One caller, the Commission said, ended her message with the words: ‘Everyone’s running up to first class. I’ve got to go. Bye.’ But all this begs the question: why did the hijackers allow such a free-for-all of phone calls as they attempted to terrify their hostages? After all, the hijackers would have realised that experts would have been able to locate the lost aircraft if people were using their mobles. THE most intriguing of the calls is the one said to have been made by Flight 93’s most famous passenger Todd Beamer, whose ‘Let’s roll!’ phrase became a byword for the victims’ heroism and patriotism. Beamer’s call was said to have been taken by a telephone supervisor working for the Verizon Corporation, owners of GTE Airfones, the gadgets on the airplane seats. At the time, Verizon had a contract worth £750million for installing a high-security telecoms package across U.S. government departments, including the Pentagon. One of its supervisors, Lisa Jefferson, an evangelical Christian like Beamer himself, retains a vivid recollection of her 15-minute conversation with him. After discovering that she shared her first name with Beamer’s wife, they apparently talked about his two little boys and the new baby on the way, Beamer’s fear that he might not make it home, and his faith. Faced with the awful prospect of dying on board Flight 93, Beamer supposedly recited the Lord’s Prayer and Psalm 23 with Mrs Jefferson. He also asked her to promise to call his wife. MRS JEFFERSON received a Verizon Excellence Award from her bosses for her handling of the call. To some this may have seemed inappropriate. She had not taken a recording of it, contrary to convention. She had not gone through the routine questions in her distress-call manual. She had not connected this agitated man to his wife waiting anxiously at home. Nor had she informed his wife subsequently of the call as promised. Mrs Beamer only learned of her husband’s final call four days later, when a representative of United Airlines got in touch. She says the United Airlines representative told her: ‘The FBI had been keeping the information private until they’ve had the opportunity to review the material. But now they’ve released it, I have a written summary of the call.’ But later Mrs Beamer learned that the FBI had not kept the call so secret after all. Her husband’s boss at his computer company had already spun the story of Beamer the hero aboard Flight 93 before anyone else knew of his phone call. As for Lisa Jefferson’s evidence, it was single-sourced, unsubstantiated hearsay of which there was no record. For spooks inside a sprawling empire of wires like Verizon, rigging up a phone call to Lisa Jefferson’s headset would have been simple. She had no idea what Beamer’s voice sounded like, and she would never hear it again to judge whether he had actually been speaking to her. This year, Lisa Jefferson published a book entitled Called — the story of seeing ‘her life transformed, simply by answering Todd Beamer’s call’. The blurb added: ‘Jefferson sends a stirring challenge to all of us whether it comes during quiet obscurity or international adversity, we must be prepared to answer God’s call.’ Evangelical Christians throughout America rallied to that call. But one puzzle remains: Todd Beamer’s wife later said she had never before heard of his reciting the Lord’s Prayer in pressure situations. Nor, she added, was Psalm 23 something he often recited. TODD BEAMER’S ‘Let’s roll!’ phrase became the war on terror’s recruitment slogan. President Bush had launched the legend in a speech on September 20, 2001 as he declared his unprecedented ‘war on terror’. Beamer’s story of selfless patriotism, according to the President, was a ‘defining moment’ in American history. Alongside President Bush on this occasion was Todd Beamer’s wife Lisa. Nobody, of course, would begrudge Mrs Beamer her celebrity, given her tragic circumstances. But her presence undoubtedly helped President Bush’s cause. The President again invoked her evangelical Christian husband’s courage in another speech a month later. ‘We will no doubt face new challenges,’ said the man widely regarded as having taken office fully intending to attack Iraq. ‘But we have our marching orders. My fellow Americans… let’s roll!’ Such a phrase couldn’t fail to chime with the President’s gung-ho admirers — nor with the 40 million evangelical Christians in the so-called ‘red’ states where the Bush regime had its most fervent support Later U.S. Navy personnel would spell out the words 9/11 LET’S ROLL by forming themselves on the deck of a warship bound for Iraq. Lisa Beamer, always a staunch ally of the White House and its war on terror, had herself photographed unveiling a ‘Let’s Roll’ logo on the side of a U.S. Air Force F-16. She even sought to have ‘Let’s Roll’ trademarked and signed a six-figure book deal which, along with her seven-figure compensation cheque, made her a rich woman. And in August 2002, just in time for the first 9/11 anniversary, she published her memoir entitled — predictably — Let’s Roll! The front cover showed the author with the Stars and Stripes and the publisher issued a staggering one million copies in hardback. Truly, the Let’s Roll slogan had become a call to arms — just at a time the White House needed it most. Bush administration not admit its guilt? It could surely have argued that the poor souls lost in the airliner were a tragic but necessary sacrifice in order to prevent horror and destruction on a larger scale in at the Capitol Washington. Air Force scrambles had been frequent enough in the past. One report said there had been 129 within the U.S. during 2000. But secrecy is the first instinct of any war department, especially amid reports flooding in of a passenger revolt on the plane. Any admission of a shooting down must have been ruled out politically because those brave passengers just might have retrieved the controls from fanatical hijackers. For the U.S. military to have snatched victory from their grasp was unthinkable. There are countless theories and areas of evidence to examine. There is even a theory that the plane could have blown up because of a bomb on board. Air traffic controllers on the ground reportedly heard an anonymous voice in the cockpit announce: ‘Ladies and gentleman. Here is the captain. Please sit down and keep remaining sitting. We have a bomb on board. So sit.’ But if Flight 93 had been blown up by a bomb at cruising altitude, its debris area would have covered at least 20 miles, as in the Lockerbie crash. The 9/11 Commission speculated that the rogue pilot jolted the plane violently in the minutes before the impact to disrupt a passenger revolt. This in turn led to claims that he might have succeeded in tearing a wing off, or otherwise wrecking the aircraft in mid-air, causing it to crash. Boeing has refused to discuss this possibility. Such movements, however, could easily have been caused by the pilot attempting to avoid an approaching heatseeking missile homing in on its engines. EYEWITNESS reports differed from the official story. Along the plane’s route, people confirmed that the Boeing came in from the north-west, but they said it was not nose-diving. Instead it was flying low. Bob Blair and Linda Shepley saw the plane when it dropped to 2,500ft. Rodney Peterson and Brandon Leventry noticed it at 2,000ft. Terry Butler saw it at about 500ft. Eric Peterson saw the plane at ‘maybe 300ft’. Lee Purbaugh, a scrap metal worker, was the closest. He told reporters: ‘I heard this real loud noise coming over my head. I looked up and it was Flight 93, barely 50ft above me. ‘It was coming down at 45 degrees and rocking from side to side. Then the nose suddenly dipped and it just crashed into the ground. There was this big fireball and then a huge cloud of smoke.’ Purbaugh’s account was perhaps the nearest of all the witness testimony to the official version of the story. Except for one important element. Not once did Purbaugh mention the plane being upside down, as the 9/11 Commission, the FBI and the Pentagon all maintained it was. With such a huge airplane roaring over his head, he could hardly have failed to notice which way up it was. To some, this cast doubt on the credibility of his reported evidence. To others, it was merely another piece of the Flight 93 jigsaw that failed to fit.

^ People, what can you do against that? (Read the whole thread)

Yeah, ok.....now were back to the beginning of the discussion again. You said a few posts ago "you attacked me for SUPPORTING police DOING their job"......and I didn't attack the actual ACT of them doing their job. Their job is to serve and protect us. I am against the way the police abused their ever growing power. Now you say "you attacked me for supporting cops breaking up a protest" which was peaceful. Your're exactly right - that is what I attacked you for, well done. The police there thought it was funny that she got shot in the head with that rubber bullet - when she didn't break the law (as she wasn't arrested for anything) and posed no threat whatsoever - unless freedom of speech is counted as a threat??? Because that's all she was doing.

Haha Hehehe *sick*......laugh while you still can. The more you post the more it shows how little you know about the completely fucked-up way this world and your country is running. You just flat ignore almost everything......which is something you'll live to regret.

What rubbish I was attacking you for your support for the police action at the Miami protest. My point was that if you support the way they acted in this case then it is this type of support from people which will lead to the end of your county as a free society; you will end up in a heavily suppressed Police State.

YOU ABSOLUTELY KNOW THAT ALL THE ABOVE ARE THINGS YOU HAVE SUGGESTED AND ARE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CASE I MADE FOR THE EVENT WHICH THIS THREAD IS ABOUT. People = read what he's said, it's just a list of actual random crimes....then says he's bad for agreeing with the police action in an attempt to suggest that I think that the police action is wrong; It's nothing to do with the peaceful protest shooting. Come on, anybody else see what he's done there?? (Just Straw Man argument after Straw Man argument) He actually probably doesn't know he's doing it.....pure habit from watching Sean Hannity on Fox News too much.....no, seriously :(

I'm pretty sure that the US Government blamed Bin Laden and then went and bombed the hell out of Afghanistan becuase the government there offered to attempt a hand over Bin Laden if the US provided proof that he was involved. The US didn't provide proof, then evacuated the very 'Top' Taliban leaders to Pakistan before proceeding to invade the country, take out (kill) the remaining Taliban government and organise their own puppet government which rushed to allow an oil pipeline through the county which the previous government had mostly opposed. That's why they needed to blame a man in a cave in Afghanistan. Also, the needed to set up freindly Saudi's as they would believe that they were helping the US in the "terror" drills that were happening on 9/11 - Saudi's have that link to Bin Laden (himself Saudi born) - People linked to Iraq wouldn't believe in 'helping' the US in 'drills' as Iraqi's weren't too US friendly then if I remember.....But they needed that 'link' to Bin Laden to go in and take/do what they wanted. Then, while another fake pretext was being divised to attack Iraq, the US (and UK) decided to try and link Saddam with Bin Laden to achieve more backing for the invasion in 2003. The other, more prominant issue which was put forward was that there was "no doubt" Saddam had and that the British government claimed that Iraq could deploy chemical weapons in just 45 minutes. And now look where we are....realise it's all a big joke on us.

Within this situation presented, you're 100% wrong and your attitude is contributing to the death of your country. Well done! Who's Anti-American now? Because the way you think surely isn't what America should be about. It's been hi-jacked and your a massive victim if you really believe what you write.

No, no....your forgetting the case in hand. This woman and others were purposely shot as a bit of 'fun'. It's even more serious since the men in charge of the Police have the same mentality and actively encouraged this behavior. This sort of thing has been going on for a long time now and it's escalating now at an alarming rate. The Police are becoming more militarized and are increasingly enforcing 'laws' which are destroying the principles of a free society.

Oh, your going to make an excellent slave. A prime example.

Hmmm, what is the good point?? Tell me.

What did I say against it?

Neo-Fascists Declare War On Truth Movement False flag provocation likely to occur within months, 9/11 & truth activists targeted for elimination as Alex Jones makes unpalatable prediction As manufactured terror alerts, magnified turmoil in the Middle East, and dire proclamations that doomsday is approaching all converge at the end of the summer of 2006, the twist in the story is likely to be a massive staged terror attack that will smother any remaining voices of descent and once again leave America transfixed in an orgy of militarism, paranoia and fear. The targets of the subsequent frenzied police state clampdown will be the traitors who questioned their government's motivations in the war on terror and blocked Bush' path in protecting the American people. Alex Jones has only made one previous prediction that he was overwhelmingly sure would come to pass. In July 2001, Jones launched 'Operation Expose the Government Terrorists,' a desperate late attempt to focus activism around raising awareness of an imminent massive terror attack that would be blamed on the patsy Osama bin Laden. Unfortunately that foresight came home to roost on September 11 and we now find ourselves in similar peril five years later. On his August 10th show, Alex Jones broadcast a warning that we would soon see, "bone-shattering mega attacks in the United States, Canada, England or Israel." VIDEO - The time frame for the attacks is within 2 months - the biggest risk being before the middle of October but at least before the mid-term elections in November. "The prelude to a new mega attack or a string of large attacks - leading up to that - I predicted that they would have five to ten staged busts of terrorists," said Jones. The watershed success of the 9/11 truth movement in obtaining national exposure has been met with a fierce backlash from the establishment in the form of nationwide editorials on cue, almost as if uniformly timed, that attack 9/11 skeptics with straw man smear campaign arguments. In addition, an increase in alleged foiled terror alerts serves two purposes, to shift attention away from the increasingly high profile 9/11 truth information and secondly to construct the story board to which the next real attack will be pinned. 'Look, we protected you from all those attacks but we just couldn't stop them all - it was the peaceniks and the civil libertarians who prevented us going all the way and keeping America safe - they are to blame for major cities being dirty bombed and others biologically poisoned.' The baseless terror raids, besides acting as PR for delusional fearmongering and the perception that terrorists are hiding under every bed, also creates a chilling effect whereby the government is sending a message to anyone that doesn't display the proper modicum of obedience and fails to salute the war on terror. 'We can grab you off the street or from your own home at our own convenience and incarcerate you - without having to present any evidence to justify it.' VIDEO - Some have suggested that Fox News' mention of Alex Jones' warning (watch above) is sufficient advance protection to offset the coming attack. However, coverage of the warning needs to be infinitely more widespread in order to have any impact. The 9/11 Blogger website has put together an activist page that provides information on how people can help us mobilize to try and prevent what government officials and their apologists have told us is inevitable. Disturbing developments such as the smearing of 9/11 truth activists as terrorist sympathizers and the surveillance and wanton random arrests and beatings of alternative news journalists act as a red flag to denote preparation for a martial law crackdown in the wake of a new synthetic terror attack. The beta test for this tactic was the 1995 Oklahoma City Bombing, a false flag event that almost obliterated the burgeoning Patriot Movement. In the immediate aftermath of the attack the patsy, Timothy McVeigh, was linked with "far-right militia groups" that talked about the Constitution and federal encroachment on God-given rights. Though no mass sweeps took place, the chilling effect was enough to send a great deal of activists into the shadows - or worse many sold out and became frothing Neo-Cons as soon as Bush got into office. That same chilling effect is again being employed and applied not just to paleoconservatives - but to anyone who dares dissent against the Neo-Fascist agenda. Even democratically elected moderate anti-war candidates such as Ned Lamont, hardly a George Washington, and his supporters, are being accused of supporting Al-Qaeda by the drooling maniacs who act as PR whores for the Bushists. Though on the face of it this kind of rhetoric - the notion that thousands of citizens in Connecticut ticked Lamont's box because they thought it would help Osama bin Laden - is patently schizophrenic, the mere repetition of the big lie is enough for many to zealously uphold its orthodoxy. In addition to network news TV shows, reports of Neo-Con cheerleaders on the radio framing anyone who questions 9/11 as having an 'Al Qaeda mind set' are beginning to filter in. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where all this is potentially heading - directly to a Homeland Security labor camp unless we stand up and point the finger at the real freedom loathing terrorists. We should not consider ourselves outside of the scope of a regime that always links its next victims with Al-Qaeda as an excuse to decapitate them from the political spectrum. Alex Jones' warning of a monumental staged terror attack, creating the pretext to air strike Iran, and its subsequent ramifications for freedom-exercising citizens and truth activists in the western world, is a piercing light through the veil of deception and needs to be echoed around the four corners of the globe if we are to stand a chance of saving America from the grip of a vampiric Neo-Fascist horror show.

Do you think I even implied that in any sort of way? at all? any percent? "you break the law you get a rubber bullet..." You know it wont be rubber bullets in the future right?? I'll leave someone else to comment on your submissive attitude towards what essentially will make you a slave to those very dim-witted police who think they are big and clever......meat headed scum.

Woman shot with rubber bullets while peacefully protesting in Miami Watch the vidio showing the Darth Vader style police having what they call fun?!?! Elizabeth Ritter was shot four times with rubber bullets by police while she was protesting a Free Trade Summit in Miami, August 10. VIDEO - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slaw1tYDPFc This horrifying example truly shows the disconnect between police and the citizens they pose as protecting and serving. These police actually laugh at their victims, in spite of news cameras and hundreds of witnesses of which they were certainly aware. Arrogant and unchecked power now threatens to be the norm for ever-increasing riot police. They rule with faux violence and real threats (rubber bullets been known to cause death, in certain cases). Here, Ritter was even shot in the face in an archetypal showdown with goons dressed in black 'storm trooper' uniforms, over-armed to handle a peaceful protest. They shoot at a business woman repeatedly, even after seeing blood drip from her body. Somewhere, behind a disconnected, under-informed and wrongly influenced "peaceful" force, these instruments of terror think they are protecting the populace rather than subjecting them to tyranny, all the more terrifying for being out in the open.

Confiscated Airport Items Bring Cash The Army Knife You Gave Up In Philly? Good Change You'll Find It On eBay HARRISBURG, Pa., August 12, 2006 Items travelers have had to give up at airport security checkpoints are stored at the Pennsylvania General Services Department's surplus property program warehouse in Harrisburg, Friday, Aug., 11, 2006. (CBS/AP) A man-sized artificial palm tree and a sausage grinder have shared space in a state government warehouse with piles of Swiss Army knives and chain saws — just a few of the things travelers have had to give up at airport security checkpoints. Pennsylvania turns a small profit by disposing of these castoff items, which it accepts from security contractors at 12 airports in five states, by selling them to the highest bidders at the online auction site eBay. And what about the abundance of liquids and gels discarded since the alleged British terror plot caused U.S. airports to prohibit them? Edward Myslewicz, a spokesman for the General Services Department told the Seattle Times that state officials are considering selling some of those items too. Fast Facts Ninety-eight percent of the items will sell. Knives, auctioned by the lot, sell fastest. Ten pounds of assorted pocket knives, for example, recently attracted nine bids and sold for $42. Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport has perhaps the most charitable approach. Airport spokeswoman Lexie Van Haren told the Seattle Times it plans to give 11 boxes of surrendered items to the city's human-services department, which will distribute items to homeless shelters. Airport officials are still finding their way with these new items. Up to now, most of the contraband merchandise has been knives, nail clippers and cuticle scissors that were forbidden as carry-on items following the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. But at the Pennsylvania collection center, there's also Wiffle Ball bats, frosting-encrusted wedding cake servers, sex toys and a couple of chain saws. There's even a box full of blenders. "There must be folks who like to mix up their own pina coladas when they get to Puerto Vallarta," said Ken Hess, head of the Pennsylvania General Services Department's surplus property program. The program has brought in more than $307,000 since it began in June 2004, and overhead is low. Students from a truck-driving school pick up the merchandise, and it's sorted by state workers who can't do their normal duties because of injury or other reasons. Ninety-eight percent of it will sell. Knives, auctioned by the lot, sell fastest. Ten pounds of assorted pocket knives, for example, recently attracted nine bids and sold for $42. Some of the 2½ tons of miscellany that arrives every month consists of weapons, potential weapons and squirt guns. However, the warehouse's current inventory also includes two sombreros, a plaque from a fishing contest in Cayuga Lake, N.Y., a jungle machete and about 100 sets of handcuffs, some fur-lined. At one point, the state had a sausage grinder, a man-sized artificial palm tree and a Christmas ornament decorated with the logo of hot dog purveyor Nathan's Famous. There are all sorts of auto parts, kitchen implements, gardening tools, jewelry, sporting goods and batteries. On one wall, sorters have set aside a few stranger items, including a single deer antler. The Transportation Security Administration said 10 million prohibited items have been seized or voluntarily turned over this year nationwide. "There are thousands of stories out there on why people either forget or just don't know the rules," said TSA spokesman Darrin Kayser. Federal law gives states the right to get banned or discarded items from the TSA contractor responsible for removing them. Pennsylvania has agreed to accept items from airports in Philadelphia, Harrisburg, Johnstown and Allentown; Kennedy, LaGuardia and two other airports in New York; Newark and Trenton in New Jersey; Nantucket in Massachusetts, and Cleveland. It also tries to package items together as a marketing hook. Hockey sticks, pucks and a goalie's mask were bundled for sale around the time of the Stanley Cup playoffs; gardening tools are sold in the spring; exercise weights are auctioned in early January to capitalize on New Year's resolutions; and baseball bats are put up for bid just before the World Series. Hess said a hunting-season kit that included a buck knife, rope, flashlight and an all-purpose Leatherman tool sold "like hot cakes" before the start of deer season. Kentucky, one of at least three other states that sells airport surplus on eBay, brings in $3,000 a month and stocks state agencies with surrendered hand tools and other equipment. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/12/national/main1890143.shtml

Haha, hmmm. Yes........I'm working for them......posting their articles on here to wake people up. And Prisonplanet tells it like it is and uses alot more documented sources then the news you see on tv. You can find all the details about the current "terror plot" in all the media but you just have to read everything and work it out.......it stinks to high heaven of shit.

Teaching us all to be their slaves. It's been happening for a long time in the US.....kids being made to take of their clothes etc.... There was a report of a 12 year old boy being a problem today wasn't there..... It's stupid.

Your points are 'silly' and make you sound very stupid. Saying things like "if they were real sucide bombers they'd have been wearing combats, they'd have told people, they would have been saying prayers all day, they'd have starved themselves etc etc." as a response is truely in keepig with the average person who has been utterly fooled. This isn't an adult conversation for you is it?

Bingo!

What Does A Terrorist Preparing To Bomb 10 Airliners Do Beforehand? Buys Cakes Behavior of liquid bomb suspects mirrors 7/7 patsies - no evidence of terror planning The characters and behavior of the few known liquid bomb suspects are completely inconsistent with any notion that they were preparing to kill themselves in acts of mass terror - mirroring the pre-attack demeanor of the 7/7 patsies. A CCTV image (top) shows one of the suspects, Tayib Rauf, entering a bulk order supermarket in Birmingham just two hours before anti-terror police swooped in to grab him for his alleged role in a plot to bomb ten transatlantic airliners. What were the tools of terror Rauf was acquiring before his kamikaze death mission? Knives? Peroxide to make the deadly liquid bomb? Cameras to detonate the bombs? No - he was buying cakes. "Does this look like the kind of person planning such a plot? He doesn't look like he's about to blow himself up," the owner of the store told the London Mirror. Rauf chatted with the owner, who said he was more concerned about his father's confectionary business than the fact that he was about to aid in the mid-air slaughter of 3,000 people. Any two-bit psychologist can tell you that this individual's behavior completely belies the notion that his life is about to come to an end. That in itself exposes the alleged plot for the monumental fraud it is. Former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murray has also highlighted the limited capabilities and intent of the suspects - proof he says that the alert was government propaganda from a cabal that yearns for a "new 9/11." "None of the alleged terrorists had made a bomb. None had bought a plane ticket. Many did not even have passports, which given the efficiency of the UK Passport Agency would mean they couldn't be a plane bomber for quite some time," said Murray. Again we hear the same story over and over - they had young families, they were not political, they were active members of the community, everyone liked them whatever race, they loved football, they planned to be doctors, they had future prospects. Is this an inside joke? MI5 can't even find some angry Muslim loners with criminal records to at least make it appear as if they would have any motive to carry out these attacks? It's such a blatant ruse you wonder if they are doing it on purpose to send a message - that everyone should live in fear of a dawn raid from the terror cops. The evidence that the London bombers knew they were about to die was so flimsy that newspapers and even the London Metropolitan Police concluded that they were unwitting dupes. "A Metropolitan Police counter terrorist expert told a seminar that the four terrorists - Mohammad Sidique Khan, 30, Shehzad Tanweer, 22, Germaine Lindsay, 19, and Hasib Hussain, 18, - did not fit the preconceived terrorist profile." The 'bombers' purchased return tickets, played cricket, ate Big Macs, and had arguments with members of the public in the hours before the attacks took place. They left no suicide notes. "I've seen the CCTV footage of these people. They do not appear to be on their way to commit any crime at all. The Russell Square bomber [Hasib Hussain] is actually seen going into shops and bumping into people [prior to his attack]," the expert said. The bombers were described by friends as as four "nice lads", "normal kids who played basketball and kicked a ball around." A week after the liquid bomb alert and we still have no motive and no evidence that suggests these individuals are anything other than unfortunate fall guys for Blair's latest act of psychological warfare against the British people. But it's a battle of information that is increasingly swinging away from baseless fearmongering and in favor of the truth. BBC and British newspaper website forums have been swamped with people expressing their incredulousness about the reality of the latest so-called threat. A London Guardian journalist in an article today highlights how he traveled the country and found widespread skepticism about the real nature of the alert amongst British citizens - with only tourists wholeheartedly trusting the government. Assertions that the alert is nothing more than political propaganda have also been echoed by commentators and journalists themselves, following a rash of articles in broadsheet newspapers that scoff at the much vaunted scope of the alleged plot.