September 11

[gentleparachute]

Trying to make 9-11 any more than what it was is insane... As much as Bush is maligned by say, Ted Kennedy.. you don't see GW throwing a left hook and threatening his family. Politics is when you speak, when you can communicate.

 

What happened with 9-11 is what happenes when a 2 year old doesn't get their way and wreaks havoc. Or for that matter a 12 year old.

GW ain't throwing a left hook coz he don't need one. Sorry, but I don't think you can meaningfully compare GW/the US's situation with the 3rd world situation because the latter lack the power to change their lot and also have a lot less bargaining power than the US. I think the relationship is more akin to parents vs adolescent kids whereby the US would be the 'parents' whereas 3rd world countries would be the 'adolescents'... Therefore wouldn't you say that them terrorists (who feel they've no other way of showing their displeasure/making themselves heard) acting like tantrumic kids would be perfectly natural? Speaking of which, GW sure sounded like one kicking screaming kid when right after 9/11 he announced war on Afghanistan (& the War on Terror) to ferret out Osama and started bombing the country.

 

You can't compare terrorists' 'politics' on the same field coz the field they're playing on ain't fair in the first place. I'm not saying that all terrorists can/should be bargained with, but the situation might be different if there was a more level playing field for the 'jihadists'. I say Bush made things worse because instead of leveling the playing field and seeking reconciliation like what Clinton at least appeared to be doing, he actively sought to increase the disparity and discord between the rich and the poor (more specifically the middle-eastern countries), and never cared who he antagonised with his words and actions.

 

And this..

Its attitude towards other nations (especially since Clinton left office) is narcissistic & egocentric

 

Nice words, but they don't apply. Regardless who is president of our country - when foreign nations needed help and $, we're there regardless of who's in office. That did not change with Bush. Because we don't pimp our sovereignty like a cheap hooker doesn't make us "narcissistic & egocetric" - it makes us smart.

 

Just to let you know- yes, your country does dole out help and $$ when foreign countries need it, but it comes with strings attached- a lot of it NOT stated in black and white. Offend your country, and the receiving nations get f*cked e.g. most commonly there are threats to stop funding. What kind of power maneuvering is that?

 

Sure, nothing's for free in this world and we should all grow up but please do not kid yourself that the good ol' US of A is some benign benevolent nation that helps other nations just because they need it. Because of your size and awesome power, very often your country tramples others just by simply taking care of its own interests (which u could argue is fair, but then it still leaves other people flattened without recourse and aggrieved as well).

 

As for 'pimping out your sovereignity like some cheap hooker', you need to explain it for me coz I don't get that phrase :huh:

 

ps.. what's up with your flag?

Nothing up... That's just my country's flag :D . And mind you, before u think I'm some Islamic fundamentalist trumpeting jihad, I'll have you know that 1) I'm not a muslim (though I live in a country where Islam is the "official religion" - whatever that means :rolleyes: ) 2) I'm of Chinese ethnicity. Oh, and it's called Malaysia (sarcasm intended but no offence meant :) ).

[lilchick629]

6jh

 

[*andrea*]

i wanted to post something, about this but i couldnt find a link, so sad.

 

anyway i respect the lives that without out reason were lost in this horrible date.

 

but i also want everyone to be concious that in this date we latin americans remeber sadly how a president with different ideas was killed because he was affecting american interests.

 

salvador allende was chosen to be president of chile. he began to change things, he started a socialist goverment. as far as i know everyone, in chile, was pleased with his decisions.

 

at this time usa and the urss where at the so called "cold war" so usa saw this as a "bad example" for all goverments.

 

usa ordered militars to kill salvador allende, they attacked the "palacio de la moneda". killed salvador allende and thousands of innocent people.

 

i dont want to offend anyone bt posting this, but i want to make people a little more consious that our life is the world not a country.

 

no olvidamos, no perdonamos.

[lilchick629]

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i wanted to post something, about this but i couldnt find a link, so sad.

 

anyway i respect the lives that without out reason were lost in this horrible date.

 

but i also want everyone to be concious that in this date we latin americans remeber sadly how a president with different ideas was killed because he was affecting american interests.

 

salvador allende was chosen to be president of chile. he began to change things, he started a socialist goverment. as far as i know everyone, in chile, was pleased with his decisions.

 

at this time usa and the urss where at the so called "cold war" so usa saw this as a "bad example" for all goverments.

 

usa ordered militars to kill salvador allende, they attacked the "palacio de la moneda". killed salvador allende and thousands of innocent people.

 

i dont want to offend anyone bt posting this, but i want to make people a little more consious that our life is the world not a country.

 

no olvidamos, no perdonamos.

 

I did not know about this incident yet i am not blind to what the US has done in the past only for their own interest

 

That is why i say i live in the most hated country---because US is very selfish and everything we do, is only for our benefit not caring what we do to other countries or other people

 

Take the war in Iraq for example-----Who is really going to believe that we are spending millions of dollars just for the sake of other people who are not even neighbors, allies, or nothing----yeah right, believing that we are in Iraq just to save those people from a tyrant is absurd----We americans are selfish bastards and everything we do, is only if it has a benefit for us----in this case--OIL