Bishop: Many Muslims have victim mentality

[mc_squared]

Bishop: Many Muslims have victim mentality

 

Last updated at 14:40pm on 5th November 2006

Controversial: The Bishop of Rochester Michael Nazir-Ali

 

 

 

The Church of England's only Asian bishop has criticised many Muslims in Britain for having a victim mentality.

The Bishop of Rochester Michael Nazir-Ali, whose father converted from Islam, told The Sunday Times that he believed that some Muslims had a "dual psychology" in which they desired both "victimhood and domination".

He said: "Their complaint often boils down to the position that it is always right to intervene when Muslims are victims, as in Bosnia or Kosovo, and always wrong when the Muslims are the oppressors or terrorists, as with the Taliban or in Iraq."

He said that failure to counter these beliefs had allowed radical Islam to flourish in Britain and stricter checks should be made to exclude extremist clerics from the country.

He said: "The two main causes of the present situation [rising extremism] are fundamentalist imams and material on the internet."

He proposed checks on qualifications, knowledge of the English language and an understanding of British life and culture should be made to filter out extremist imams.

The 57-year-old, who was born a Catholic in Karachi but converted to Protestantism at the age of 20, said that he believed the Christian faith was intermingled with British values.

Nazir-Ali, who moved to Britain in the 1980s and became the youngest Bishop in the world at 35, also joined in the argument surrounding women wearing full-face veils and said that in some circumstances they were not suitable.

He said: "I can see nothing in Islam that prescribes the wearing of a full-face veil. In the supermarket those at the cash tills need to be recognised. Teaching is another context in which society requires recognition and identification."

Muhammad Abdul Bari, secretary-general of the Muslim Council of Britain, told the newspaper that the bishop's comments were not "very helpful for community relationships".

[Matter-Eater Lad]

I would say some do, but there are just as many jews, christians, hindu's and other people who have the victim mentality. Its a dangerous and stupid thing to have. Its only an excuse for failure. In America white people dont have it since were the majority, but once we become the minority, im sure alot of white people will develope a "victim mentality"

[psychosaiqa]

has he ever heard of islamophobia? good god! and the murders that have taken place because someone kills a muslim because of 9/11?! HATE CRIMES?!?

 

omfg, stop w/ the veil bashing. THEY'RE CLOTHES FOR CHRISSAKES! nobody's required to wear them (in free countries at least), it's a personal fucking preference. what about the whores that walk around w/ midriff baring shirts and barely there shorts?

[mc_squared]

has he ever heard of islamophobia? good god! and the murders that have taken place because someone kills a muslim because of 9/11?! HATE CRIMES?!?

 

omfg, stop w/ the veil bashing. THEY'RE CLOTHES FOR CHRISSAKES! nobody's required to wear them (in free countries at least), it's a personal fucking preference. what about the whores that walk around w/ midriff baring shirts and barely there shorts?

 

It isn't about "fashion", it's about people concealing their identitites unnecessarily.;)

[psychosaiqa]

it's not unnecessarily and of course it's not about fashion- it's what the person is COMFORTABLE with. just because you people think it's weird doesn't it make it "unnecessary" or wrong, ok?

[mc_squared]

it's not unnecessarily and of course it's not about fashion- it's what the person is COMFORTABLE with. just because you people think it's weird doesn't it make it "unnecessary" or wrong' date=' ok?[/quote']

 

In western society it's completely alien to totally cover your face up in public, and there's nothing in the Koran which says that women have to. Therefore they shouldn't do it, for the benefit of a harmonious society.;)

[psychosaiqa]

In western society it's completely alien to totally cover your face up in public' date=' and there's nothing in the Koran which says that women [i']have to. [/i]Therefore they shouldn't do it, for the benefit of a harmonious society.;)

 

that's the biggest load of shit i've ever heard. people have the right to whatever they want to-dress how they want to, listen to whatever they want to, watch whatever they want to. since when is the western view of society the only right way of living? try being a bit more open minded. nobody has the right to tell people what they should and shouldn't for their own benefit. what if someone is china thought Coldplay was complete and utter shit and said people shouldn't listen to it in China just because they thought that english music was weird?

 

i can't believe you even said that. that's denying people the right to BE THEMSELVES.

[mc_squared]

that's the biggest load of shit i've ever heard. people have the right to whatever they want to-dress how they want to, listen to whatever they want to, watch whatever they want to. since when is the western view of society the only right way of living? try being a bit more open minded. nobody has the right to tell people what they should and shouldn't for their own benefit. what if someone is china thought Coldplay was complete and utter shit and said people shouldn't listen to it in China just because they thought that english music was weird?

 

i can't believe you even said that. that's denying people the right to BE THEMSELVES.

 

There is no justifiable reason for people to completely cover their faces up, whether they want to or not. Like it or not, it just causes unnecessary suspicion and distrust.;)

[psychosaiqa]

There is no justifiable reason for people to completely cover their faces up' date=' whether they want to or not. Like it or not, it just causes unnecessary suspicion and distrust.;)[/quote']

 

there's no justifiable reason for people to wear the pants below their asses, to wear shirts that don't cover their stomachs, for people to wear clothes w/ metal spikes, or for people to wear clothes with holes in them. but they DO. it causes suspicion and distrust bc people let it, they don't like anythign that isn't, in their opinion, normal. so can a woman be denied from wearing traditional south asian clothing in america or the western world because society isn't used to it and because it's not "normal"?

[mc_squared]

there's no justifiable reason for people to wear the pants below their asses' date=' to wear shirts that don't cover their stomachs, for people to wear clothes w/ metal spikes, or for people to wear clothes with holes in them. but they DO. it causes suspicion and distrust bc people let it, they don't like anythign that isn't, in their opinion, normal. so can a woman be denied from wearing traditional south asian clothing in america or the western world because society isn't used to it and because it's not "normal"?[/quote']

 

Well it's not considered "normal" in western society, and so the women doing so should do the decent thing in my opinion. Not because they HAVE to, but because they WANT to.;)

[psychosaiqa]

Well it's not considered "normal" in western society' date=' and so the women doing so should do the decent thing in my opinion. Not because they HAVE to, but because they WANT to.;)[/quote']

 

and what would be the decent thing? to dress in western clothes? what if she doesn't want to?

 

son, you just picked the wrong answer. said "woman" is my mother. my mom wears south asian clothes like salwar kameezes and saris around the house and sometimes out in public. there is NOTHING wrong with that because guess what? the way you dress shouldn't define who you are. and ya know what? she's white. completely white. if you saw her walking down the street you'd think she were another plain jane american.

[mc_squared]

and what would be the decent thing? to dress in western clothes? what if she doesn't want to?

 

son, you just picked the wrong answer. said "woman" is my mother. my mom wears south asian clothes like salwar kameezes and saris around the house and sometimes out in public. there is NOTHING wrong with that because guess what? the way you dress shouldn't define who you are. and ya know what? she's white. completely white. if you saw her walking down the street you'd think she were another plain jane american.

 

We're only talking about total covering of the face, which is completely unnecessary. There is nothing wrong with saris etc.;)

[psychosaiqa]

We're only talking about total covering of the face' date=' which is completely unnecessary. There is nothing wrong with saris etc.;)[/quote']

they're the same thing-clothes. covering your face is not completely unnecessary. some women feel more comfortable with it on, just like my mom feels more comfortable in salwar kameezes.

[mc_squared]

they're the same thing-clothes. covering your face is not completely unnecessary. some women feel more comfortable with it on' date=' just like my mom feels more comfortable in salwar kameezes.[/quote']

 

Covering of faces makes others feel nervous and uncomfortable. Rightly or wrongly, that's a fact.

Therefore some "common-sense" should be applied.;)

[psychosaiqa]

Covering of faces makes others feel nervous and uncomfortable. Rightly or wrongly, that's a fact.

Therefore some "common-sense" should be applied.;)

no, therefore people need to get the fuck over themselves and stop being so judgemental. they shouldn't have to change their ways just because some people feel "uncomfortable" about what they wear. i hate it when people wear clothes w/ holes in them and people who wear gang symbols on their shirts and other crazy shit and it makes me uncomfortable but i don't tell them what they should and should not wear. common sense my arse.

[mc_squared]

no' date=' therefore people need to get the fuck over themselves and stop being so judgemental. they shouldn't have to change their ways just because some people feel "uncomfortable" about what they wear. i hate it when people wear clothes w/ holes in them and it makes me uncomfortable but i don't tell them what they should and should not wear. common sense my arse.[/quote']

 

Well that's just like saying Islamic states should accept women walking around in bikinis even though it's considered to be totally unacceptable there. It works both ways.

At the end of the day, certain sacrifices have to be made for the good of the respective society.

If I was told it was unacceptable for me to walk around bare-chested in an Islamic state, I would cover up out of respect.

It works both ways.;)

[psychosaiqa]

Well that's just like saying Islamic states should accept women walking around in bikinis even though it's considered to be totally unacceptable there. It works both ways.

At the end of the day, certain sacrifices have to be made for the good of the respective society.

If I was told it was unacceptable for me to walk around bare-chested in an Islamic state, I would cover up out of respect.

It works both ways.;)

the head veil isn't a respect issue-it's a fear issue.

[mc_squared]

the head veil isn't a respect issue-it's a fear issue.

 

Whatever the issue is, an effort should be made in the interests of societal harmony/integration.

[Petit Prince]

It doesn't matter, everyone in Britain who looks kinda Muslim is targeted at the moment, no matter if they do or don't wear a veil.