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I'm non religious. Being non religious and being defined as a jew I think would be like being deifned as a non religious catholic. It's in the more traditional sense of being jewish- celebrating the holidays (like u would christmas or easter) but not keeping all the commandments such as fasting at Yom Kippur, "saving Sabbath"- which pretty much means you cant do anything on saturday other than eat and sleep, or all the prayer etc. You're also not suppose to eat meat and dairy together, or bread during passover and stuff like that. All the beards and clothing like how ppl image religous jews to be are things that evovled during the years through interpritations of the bible and stuff like that. I dont wanna say anything because I really have never studied this. I can find out and tell u more :) That red braclet is from the Kabbala. A religious organization that's suppose to be very spiritual. I dont know much about it either :-/

well, i learnt ALOT about antisemitism at school because well, it's part of our history, so it's taught alot. There are many reasons why it started- blaming Jesus' crucifiction (sp?) on the jews, some murder cases which later were prove to be only propaganda and not really commited by jew. It's all sorts of things- the jewish community abroad was actually mixing in with the rest of the community, but still was different. So things just happenned. I think that a minority in any country can be easily blamed for all the problems within the country. And i'm pretty sure that didnt only happen with the jews. about circumcision, to be honest, i really dont know where it says this needs to be done (i'm not very knowledgable when it comes to religious traditions). However, all baby jewish boys do get circumsized. Many parents now take their baby to a doctor that's also a MOhel (circumciser), so that it's more safe. All I know is I heard that what they remove is actually healthier that it's not there, and some adult males that aren't jewsih choose to do it, or parents who do it to their babies out of choice (non jewish ppl). And I think it's better to do it when it's a baby because the healing is better. That's what I understand anyways. But it is a pretty weird tradition I guess, there's always a party for it and eveything (like anyone wants to see that done!!!). I once saw a stand up comic laughing about it. He was like "Religion makes u do funny things. You know, God created man kind in it's image (or however it is in english) and the man is God's greatest creation, except for the penus part. That part he screwed up..." well... it was funny when I heard it :)

i'm just wondering, what are your thoughts on circumcision? i'm not religious or anything, so feel free to say whatever u feel...

pg.18 on the thread "Isreal/Lebanon/Middle East Conflict".

well, the oslo agreement was an agreement that was made between the Ashaf, which is another organization that represents the palestinians that wants israel out, and between the israeli government. It's the exact nagotiation that everyone keeps talking about. The agreement had things to do with land, financial co exsistence, the promise on Ashaf's side not to use any terror and to promise peace and security in israel. Israel promised an autonomy for the palestinians in their territory (gaza strip..), and that still holds on today. They have Abu Mazen as their leader. But the promise for no terror and violence didnt really work out as you see- you give them a little and then they only want more. That's why nagotiating doesnt seem to work. This whole war started with hizaballa attack in the north of israel when they killed 8 ppl (before that there were also kidnappings of some soldiers). It doesnt seem like they were talking in terms of peace to begin with. and as I said, hizballa is a terrorist organization. I've never heard of a terrorist organization willing to make diplomatic nagotiations. It's always all or they use force. And obviously Israel wont give up all our lands and our homes. And fighting back is simply what we have to do

no one supports war- that's not something that anyone wants. But sometimes it inevidble, as much as ppl wanna have this dream of how the world should be run. The reality is different

you're the sort of person who thinks that their opinion is the right and see other people as stupid if they disagree. You just said it yourself. To me that's arrogance. and it also seems like u think u know everything about anything. Well newsfalsh- you dont!

that's neither here nor there. If u want to make a statement showing dead ppl thrown on the ground is not the way to do it. Casualties happen in war. That doesnt make your point justified. It only shows how the arabs are disrespectful to dead bodies when they dont cover them up like we do, and leave them thrown on the floor, taking pictures of them to show the world. You know, propaganda! That's just their way of making the world go against israel. That makes me sick man... that really makes me feel nauseas to know that that's the sort of preson u are i could just have easily shown pictures of the suicide bombings.

and after we make this wonderful peace agreement, we can all wear pink tutus and dance around on the clouds. :rolleyes: you're very naive. Remember what happenned in Oslo in 1993. There was a so called peace agreement, but that didnt really last. Arafat and Rabin actually got a nobel award for that agreement!! This time we're talking about the Hizballa, a terrorist organization- u really think it's possible to have adiplomatic nagotiation?!? if u do, u are very very very naive.

you're just ignorant. And it's easy to speak when you're not the one that may be affected. Plus, I dont think we need an excuse to have out own county, I think it's our right as a nationality. And the UN ageed, so your words dont mean much to me

thanks alot, that's very respectful of u... (-_-)

i have to go pick up my brother from work, but i'll reply when i get back. It saddens me that this conflict is making ppl from all over the world to have such a strong opinion about this issue when they dont even live here. That's why alot of the time there's no other option to point at but antisemitism. It also saddens me that debating this doesnt seem to be getting either side to any understanding or change in opinion... so what's the point anyway, i'll be back later. bye

what? i dont understand what you're trying to say if i understood u correctly, havent u ever heard of neo-natzis? and if I reallu understood u correctly, that's the most ignorant sentence I have heard in all my life

oh, and I didnt say that the palestinians SHOULD immigrate, I said that if they feel bad here they have the option. No one tied them to the ground and told them to stay. Just like ppl in other countries do if they dont like it. They dont go on buses and kill themselves

and do u know of another jewish country? Or a place where everything is closed on saturday and u work from sunday to thursday? Or a place where everything is cosher? We need our own country as a religion. If history has taught us anything is that jews mixed with other religions is not a good scenario

then how come we cant live together right now? Why are palestinians from inside israel bombing us? Obviously co exsistence doesnt seem to be happenning because jews arent accepted around the globe. Remember ww2? And trust me, those who do get green cards to immigrate do it- no one wants to live in war. I happen to know since I work at the ministry for foreign affairs in that department and there are way too many israeli civilians who live abroad

i am from israel, so yeah, i know the history. and ppl saying "we were here first!! we were here first!!" really isnt an excuse to kicking 5 million ppl out of their homes and leaving them homeless. oh, and I could just as much go 5000 years in the past and say that we were here first. So the past is the past and the present is where we are. I dont understand the constant battle over this land when there is lots of arab land for muslims where they could live if they're not happy here. Immigration is a possibility for them. We, on the other hand, dont have any other options

what about the rest of land?? see all the head of all those organizations are exactly like u- there's no word in your vocabulary that means "co exsistence". Why do u need it ALL?? Dont u have enough, you'll enjoy watching a whole nation homeless? So u'll use any means of terror and violence to make that happen. you're telling me that isnt a terrorist organization?!?!

i dont care what the origins of the word are, i just know about it. And I study arabic as well so plz dont insult my intelegence سولحة oh, and it's quite funny that you're only responding to the things I say that have no relation to the real situation, and you're avoiding other things, more essential

oh, and about the stuff I know about the islamic religion, I had a billion seminars about the subject, and studied it at school and I know because after all we do live close to one another didnt u eve hear a story of a muslim girl who lost her viriginity before marriage, the familied would exclude her and start a family rivalry for years. If one person kills one from another family, the other family will revenge. And it can last on and on until there's this thing call a "Sulcha" again, go read alittle before u say things

hmmmmmm "seeing my family killed"- are u forgetting where i'm from?!?!?! I bet u dont even know how many soldiers are killed by egypt, and again, the attack was provoked by the egyptian side, i'm gonna go and say what israel stands for again and again: "PEACE NOT WAR- COMPROMISE AND NAGOTIATION NOT COMPLETE DICTATION"... heard of Gilad Shaviv?? Bet u didnt, bet they censor it in egyptian tv ever hear of the suicide bombings?? if you're talking about how many families were hurt in the wars and trying to make me feel sympathetic towards egypt, you've really come to a person from the worng nation. You should really find out more before u speak...

israel didnt have the chance to use peacful ways, as u call them, before the war with Hisballa because the whole thing didnt start in a peaceful way. u should be asking the question the whole way around: "Did Hizaballa use peacful ways with Israel in order to obtain its goal before attacking us?" i know it sounds childish by saying "they started it", but the fact is, Hizballa is a terrorist organization that the only means they know for getting what they want is terror- violence. and u may be arab, and think what u wanna think, but when it comes down to it, they wont hurt only jews to get what they want but arabs too- they shot a missle at Nazerat which is an arab city in israel and killed 2 arab boys. the fact they hide amongst civilians in lebanon shows how they just dont give a damn i cant believe the arab community is so blind and naive, u only point the finger at israel because it's the easiest thing to do

i'll say this: the arabs beileve that if the kill themselves during a terroristic act to help them obtain their goal they'll die being a "shahid", and go to heaven and get 70 virgins. dont tell me their religion isnt promoting them to be terrorists. I'm not saying Islam as a whole is like that. I saw an interveiw with muslim girls in NY, and their teacher told them that the palestinians in Israel are sinning when they do this... i'm just saying- in most of the cases where muslims are involved in terror, it's usually part of religion, and not part of some national idealism.