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Funny you mentioned that ... I nearly forgot they did this song. I like the choir though.

Wow you guys are really on the ball then ... I didn't even see it. It was my first time not hearing some clipped up version of Chris Martin singing it. Ah well, so busy with work I never get a chance to lurk around the forums and check all the stuff out ... but at least there's alot to read when I get back :)

Don't flame me too much, but I just listened to the full acoustic track of Lost, and almost immediately thought of this song ... especially the first few melodic lines, and the general progression. Is it just me or is it similar? Either way, I like Lost better! lol Lost: http://lastfm.spiegel.de/music/Coldplay/_/Lost%3F One Of Us: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Epow4VXhnW0

I'll join in. I missed the last one, so this should be fun. I'm currently writing one that might be right up your alley, just gotta develop it a bit more. When's the deadline for songs?

I thought Chris sang it very well personally ... yeah a few problems here and there but he really hit those notes that counted ... everytime he came around to "revolutionaaaaarie's wait" and the other part that sounds like that I believe in the first verse, I thought he was going to fall flat on his face. But he really belted that out so I was quite happy. And hey, they got a standing ovation, what else could you ask for. I think what I saw on t.v. was not so much the crowd reacting to Chris' singing ... but from their general reaction as soon as Chris said, "thanks" .... Coldplay is indeed back.

I agree with the tab ... the key is definitely Eb. Here's the chords I worked out but I'm just a guitarist playing a piano bit that probably has other notes to throw me off lol: Eb, Eb/C, Ab Then the "So come home:" Eb, Db, Cm, Ab I almost want to say it's an F or Fm instead of the Cm in that one, but it's a little tough since it's piano. Edit: Almost forgot ... I think you wanted the whole thing eh (Canadian)? That pounding bit is Cm, Bb, Eb. Then ... well, the big buildup is tough, someone can help me out but i think it's something like: Bb, Ab, Cm, Bb Something like that. EDIT: I apologize, after listening, it's Death and All His Friends that I was figuring out.

I think that means that the band or artist is writing lyrics that are way too specific and not general and to the point enough. Some people write about something that just goes on and on and on ... but when someone is being subtle it's almost not giving away everything. That's why we can relate to alot of popular songs ... you gotta strain out the specifics and get to the heart of the whole thing. For example if Chris Martin wrote something like, "Oh Apple ... it's been a few years and you're older ..." he might say, "baby, such a long time coming, such a long long time." lol yeah my example is from Gravity, and no I'm not saying he wrote it about his daughter, but that is just making it more general and subtle that coming right out and saying it.

Ness: Dude, don't get so upset because a band makes some changes. Alot of people would love songs like "Yellow" or "Shiver" or "The Scientist," but the truth of the matter is that Coldplay is no longer that band. I'm sure there are certain things in their sound they won't be able to shake off (i.e. Chris' voice) but I mean .... c'mon. I think it was either this album be made, or they were going to call it a day. No offense to the other posters, but this kinda bugs me a bit. You want another parachutes album? Go buy something from Snow Patrol. If you want an album that's more looked at as a piece of "art" rather than some collection of songs, then get "Viva La Vida." P.s. One person in a band strayed away from the regular formula they used to always do ... google "Pet Sounds" by the Beach Boys. Although this may not be as layered or complex, it definitely can be a contender for one of the greatest albums that our generation has witnessed. Perhaps this will be OUR Pet Sounds.

Can you pm me a bit of the song? I can play by ear and I'll figure it out.

I think that popular songwriters like Chris Martin often cut right to the chase and get to the heart of the matter with their music. Chris doesn't overcomplicate things in his lyrics. He writes very simply structured poetry (if you will). He seems to distill the pure emotion in the song, and he's damn good at it too. Don't get discouraged though ... you probably don't know how many times Chris has had to rewrite The Scientist until he was satisfied. Not too often does a song just fall into place with the perfect words. It's definitely something that needs constant deconstruction and reconstruction.

Can't wait to hear it :)

Yeah but it's in the key of G, and G has a D note in it. Coldplay is notorious for doing this sort of stuff with their tunings so things ring out, so I wouldn't rule it out. They also happen to find tunings that make the chords either sound a little dissonant, perhaps something they picked up from Radiohead.

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Regarding Chris writing new songs, it reminds me of the stories I've read about other bands in the 11th hour of recording. Def Leppard had their album "Hysteria" pretty much complete, until the producer heard the lead singer playing and singing the chorus of what we now know as "Pour Some Sugar on Me." The producer said, "we have to record that!" and the rest is history. Although I'm sure the songs Coldplay have recorded are great, I think that Chris (always a worrier) is trying to top those songs or see if he can pull out another "Clocks" or "Yellow." There are a lot of bands that have done this and a great single came out of it. Goo Goo Dolls comes to mind as well ... the song, "Name" wasn't even going to be put on the c.d. because it was very last minute ... but they did it and great things came. I hope the same happens with this new album :) If Chris can just sneak one more song in there, it could surely change what they have become known for i.e. Clocks, The Scientist, Yellow, etc. Exciting stuff!

I messed around with it in my recording program and it sounds like he said, "sure" or something to that effect. It sounds like one word to me. Either "check" or "sure."

I haven't listened to Parachutes with headphones on before ... I know, I know, it's kind of odd not to listen to an album like that without headphones .... anyways, I listened to "We Never Change" and I noticed that little pump organ that they used for most of the album. It's right where he says, "making new friends would be easy." It kinda swells in and really adds some more body to the song, filling it out nicely. It's also used in "Yellow" when the last chord is struck you can hear it ... I never really noticed these things before but it definately adds more to the songs.

I could be wrong but I think harmonica's have different reeds inside which are fixed to a specific key. I know I received one as a present a while back, and it only plays well with songs in the key of G. I can't change the reed unless I unscrew the thing and take it apart :P So, I think you would have to get different harmonica's for different keys ... again, I could be wrong.

haha ... (shing)

I'd do both :) It sounds cheesy, but fool around with some Beach Boys songs on the guitar. Stuff from their later period, not the early "Surf City" type crap. They have some really interesting stuff that will definately open up your ears, and give you tons of chord changes for your songwriting "arsenal." I learned so much theory just based on these guys ... and reading and reading and reading. The more I got into it, the more interesting things got and more questions would pop up.

I have a few different methods to be honest. One thing I will say though, and it's something I only recently learned ... never get rid of your ideas. Record them in any way you can. You can end up with a bunch of little bits, but those little pieces can be put together in some fashion eventually. For instance one day you'll be trying out a song that you are writing ... and you'll go, "well, this is a cool verse, but then I need an even cooler chorus." Well, what I normally do is check back to my old ideas and see what I can possibly patch in there ... that way you get one overall really cool song, instead of a great verse/crappy chorus or vice versa. Another thing is talking a long walk and bringing something with you to record your ideas. Sometimes you won't get anything, but there are moments that you'll forget that you are carrying anything and you'll just be humming something or something will hit you hard out of nowhere that you've never heard before. Then (without anyone around so I don't look like an idiot haha) I would hum it or even sing it into the recorder. I'd save it for later, and when I got back home figure the tune out by ear and start adding chords for the feel of the song, etc. Another traditional thing I do is just mess around on the guitar, and then something I play I will eventually like and then I can sing to it. I do this method quite a bit too. One last note ... keep writing. Look at Chris Martin and all of his B-Sides, let alone everything that got SCRAPPED. He is constantly writing and writing and perfecting his craft ... eventually something is bound to sound great if you just keep writing. You gotta have objective people around though ... not a good buddy that goes, "hey man, that sounds awesome" on EVERY song you write. You need someone there to go, "hmm ... well, sounds a bit like THIS song ..." or "well, that's a cool idea but it doesn't really grab my attention." Anyways, sorry for the long post, keep writing and have fun doing it. That's the whole point :)

Anytime ;)

I hear ya there man. I don't care how much the DL 4 is, I'm gonna save up. Even though this stuff is expensive it'll pay off in the end.

I think the problem here is from a creativity standpoint as well. You can sound like Jonny, Eddie Van Halen or Clapton ... but those riffs that they came up with was from within themselves. Hard to mimic that.

C#, F#, G# / C#, D#, E I know there's notes in between, but I figured it out on guitar and didn't want to take the keyboard out and try it out, lol. I'm assuming you're right though, there's some repeated notes, but that should get you on the right track.

Depends what kind of sound you want man. I came across something that was pretty interesting a while back ... and I guess in hindsight it's obvious to me now. Anyways, this guy said that the more distortion, the longer the sustain. Problem is, if you're going for a Jonny Buckland type sound or a totally clean sound or whatever. It all depends on the sound you're aiming for. If it's clean and you want a long sustain, you'll definitely have to invest in some nice gear, like a sustain or delay pedal.