the_gloaming09

^:lol: I don't know why I'd be rolling my eyes because it's a good intro, except of course it's that I think that might be your favorite song of all time :lol:

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haha i know :P

you can stream the album online here: http://hypem.com/#!/artist/Other%20Lives

i've only heard of a few of those artists

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...damn nazi's!

bump... has anyone listened to the new album. You must... it's so good... may be my favorite album of the year thus far!

You're right. I guess it would lead to more violence and hate (although they already hate us so much I don't see how they can hate us any more to be honest). But now that you put it that way I guess it is hypocritical of me to value life and then accept torture. Or also hypocritical that I was ashamed of those stupid college kids celebrating Bin Ladens death like it was a superbowl party, and then be for torture. And I don't like the idea of being a hypocrite so I won't be for torture because logically it doesn't really make sense to be for one thing and not the other. It is afterall taking away human rights, but also the results may not be completely effective, and it degrades our country away from being prosperous or advanced. Though I don't like the idea of saying that I have bad morals. To be honest (not to toot my own horn or sound egocentric), but I think I'm an extremely moral person (more than a lot of people I know), so I guess calling me that from an outside point of view is not something that I'd like to hear, and I guess helps to show that it's not something that should be acceptable from a moral standpoint. Still since I was one to experience 9/11 at a close level, and also be fed the news in a focused frame for such a long time until I decided to check various sources for myself I guess you can't really blame me for thinking a certain way at the time. It is hard afterall to break away from a certain mindframe you've had for a while. In fact I've changed my mind on opinions on certain events or people over the past, such as my opinion on Obama as a candidate/president (more time than I can think of).

I actually don't really mind Idioms that much

was listening to the album and I enjoyed what I listened to. However I kind of got a little bit bored after a while. It may just be that it's late and I'm tired, but I'll give it a listen again.

well thank you for understanding. That's for me my whole point. I just think that it was a horrible event to have happened where thousands of innocent people died and clearly it is something that I don't want to see happen again, whether it be here in the US or some other country. The value of a human life is priceless. That's what I'm mainly try to get across. I'm sorry if I seem ignorant or being stubborn like Bush and sticking to my guns and not budging (:P). I have read all of the points that all of you have brought up, and since the creation of this thread it has pushed me away from the use of torture, and the more I'm thinking about it now it isn't right to do a person for their own human rights, especially since we're a country that values freedom. I was just trying to bring up extreme cases where it might have to be used, but I guess the point you guys are trying to make is that you should still give someone their basic human rights regardless if they are an innocent neighbor down the street, or if they have killed hundreds or thousands of people in the past (I guess I personally find it tough to let someone like that appear to get away scott free if they have information and in their past they've done horrific things and have no remorse or respect for human life). Only speaking for myself I think making a decision on being pro or against is a double edged sword. I would feel guilty being for torture because then a persons basic human rights are taken away, which leaves the question of who is safe, especially if the person being tortured is in fact innocent. Also the physical as well as mental damage it can cause can be permanent or leave long lasting damage and trauma. At the same time if a terrible tragedy or attack was to happen and hundreds or thousands or even millions of people died I would feel tremendous guilt being completely against it knowing that there may have been a chance it could've been prevented, because someone was withholding information. So then for argument sake I'm going to take the side then of anti-torture, however if something big were to happen in the future I'd feel guilty that (I guess if these are the right words, though it may not come off that way) not every option to prevent such event. This also makes me have another question for those that are completely against it. You all bring up the topic of the possibility of people being innocent. what if the person is proven to be completely guilty of what they have done? Like just say for argument sake you were to capture Bin Laden alive. Would you just leave him alone and let him rot in jail knowing he has a large amount of information? Is it something that only applies to someone who has not been proven guilty of a crime? From that, can you guys (primarily chuck kottke, greg and alice) at least understand, though of course not agree where I'm coming from? ---- To respond to chuck kottke. I agree with what you have to say in that a lot of those radical religious militants cling onto whatever they can to to get rid of their frustrations, but also coming from areas of the world where a good education may not be made available makes it also easy to join because they may not know better. I do agree that we should help people out in other countries that are trying to have a free life but are being oppressed. But I don't know how you go about doing that. Especially since I feel as a nation the US should stop getting it's nose into other peoples business. So in some sense I don't know if I would be so comfortable as to give arms or try to help out, if that's the case. Especially from in the past it seems things tend to bite us in the ass.

yeah... well we'll see who wants to. I also think that for Arcade Fire we make it a Top 10 song playlist, just because they don't have a very vast catalog of songs, and it might be too easy to confuse one list from the next.

Here is the complete list of who's playlist is who's and where they ranked. I numbered the list based on the initial round of voting 1/3 Gitta Rensolo Round 1: 8 Votes (Briggins, darkchoc92, i'maveryneatMonster.', indanomati, Keddie, Space Cadet, The Escapist, The Final Track) Round 2: 1 Vote (The Escapist) 1.) You and Whose Army? 2.) 2+2=5 3.) There There 4.) A Reminder 5.) Pyramid Song 6.) Lucky 7.) Bodysnatchers 8.) Morning Bell 9.) Street Spirit (Fade Out) 10.) Fog (Again) 11.) House of Cards 12.) How to Disappear completely 13.) Paranoid Android 14.) The National Anthem 15.) Climbing up the Walls [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAUMgureA6o&p=3F68C26EEF24BBFD]YouTube - You And Who's Army? - Radiohead[/ame] ----- Ceolsige Round 1: 3 Votes (Alice, rudy_o, violetsparks) 1. Reckoner 2. I Might Be Wrong 3. Talk Show Host 4. Exit Music (For a Film) 5. 15 Step 6. Idioteque 7. All I Need 8. Let Down 9. Nude 10. No Surprises 11. Go Slowly 12. Lucky 13. Morning Bell 14. (Nice Dream) 15. A Wolf at the Door [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBalSWs5ngY&p=65353AE835FA5802]YouTube - Radiohead - In Rainbows - Reckoner[/ame] ----- i'maveryneatMonster.' Round 1: 5 Votes (Braddock, Gitta Rensolo, ines, Italian Plastic, jcoldplay) 1.- Nude 2.- Idioteque 3.- Weird Fishes 4.- There There 5.- All I Need 6.- Supercollider 7.- Airbag 8.- Go To Sleep 9.- House of Cards 10.- Motion Picture Soundtrack 11.- Gagging Order 12.- Kid A 13.- Scatterbrain 14.- Talk show host 15.- Pyramid song [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZT_nrrpe8c&p=4BD521B37D794FC1]YouTube - Radiohead - Nude (Scotch Mist Version)[/ame] ------ Braddock Round 1: 2 votes (the_gloaming09, Tnspieler1012) 1. The Tourist 2. Reckoner 3. Weird Fishes 4. Paranoid Android 5. Like Spinning Plates 6. Lucky 7. Where I End And You Begin 8. Lotus Flower 9. Pyramid Song 10. Everything In Its Right Place 11. Sail To The Moon 12. Myxomatosis 13. Separator 14. The Gloaming 15. Nude [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAXRKPGKXWs&p=D7DD0C6A07B8C902]YouTube - Radiohead - The Tourist[/ame] ---- 2/3 NumbersGirl Round 1: 8 Votes (Alice, bee_panda, Briggins, i'maveryneatMonster.', indanomati, ines, kasaa, Space Cadet) 1. Reckoner 2. The Amazing Sounds of Orgy 3. House of Cards 4. 2+2=5 (The Lukewarm) 5. There There (The Boney King of Nowhere) 6. Paranoid Android 7. Paperbag Writer 8. Like Spinning Plates [Live] 9. I Might Be Wrong 10. All I Need 11. Nude 12. Fog (Again) [Live] 13. High And Dry 14. Lotus Flower 15. I Am A Wicked Child [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uofQD-N6UI&p=D6FCB1F1D235D3AF]YouTube - Radiohead - Reckoner - by Clement Picon[/ame] ----- gaspgaze Round 1: 11 Votes (A RUSH OF VIDA, Braddock, ceolsige, darkchoc92, Italian Plastic, jcoldplay, The Escapist, The Final Track, the_gloaming09, Tnspieler1012, violetsparks) Round 2: 6 Votes (Italian Plastic, NumbersGirl, Space Cadet, the_gloaming09, Tnspieler1012, violetsparks) 1. How To Disappear Completely 2. Pyramid Song 3. Reckoner 4. Nude 5. Exit Music (For A Film) 6. Steer Spirit (Fade Out) 7. Everything In Its Right Place 8. All I Need 9. Scatterbrain (As Dead As Leaves) 10. Lull 11. My Iron Lung 12. I Might Be Wrong 13. Sail To The Moon (Brush The Cobwebs Of The Sky) 14. Codex 15. Subterranean Homesick Alien [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAF8D0ugyVk&p=47B9FA8CD8F712CF]YouTube - 4. How To Disappear Completely[/ame] ----- Briggins Round 1: 1 Vote (Gitta Rensolo) 1. Planet Telex 2. You and Whose Army? 3. Bodysnatchers 4. Optimistic 5. Exit Music (For A Film) 6. Gagging Order 7. There There 8. Pyramid Song 9. Reckoner 10. Where I End And You Begin 11. How To Disappear Completely 12. Talk Show Host 13. Blow Out 14. The Tourist 15. Street Spirit (Fade Out) [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXyrCRd1ikw&p=F7E3CB0DB0A5555E]YouTube - Radiohead - Planet Telex[/ame] ----- 3/3 The Final Track Round 1: 9 Votes (Alice, Braddock, ceolsige, doritji, HandyAndy1.36, indanomati, kasaa, The Escapist, Tnspieler1012) Round 2: 7 Votes (Braddock, ceolsige, Gitta Rensolo, i'maveryneatMonster.', Keddie, Prospekt., TanialovesUK) 1. There There (The Boney King Of Nowhere) 2. Paranoid Android 3. Idioteque 4. Everything In It's Right Place 5. No Surprises 6. My Iron Lung 7. How To Disappear Completely 8. Exit Music (For A Film) 9. Street Spirit (Fade Out) 10. Karma Police 11. 2 + 2 = 5 (The Lukewarm) 12. The Butcher 13. Life In A Glass House 14. Sail To The Moon (Brush The Cobwebs Off The Sky) 15. Pyramid Song [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODVDZy2mvjA&p=7D8834C433CEFE06]YouTube - There There (The Boney King Of Nowhere) - Radiohead[/ame] ----- Space Cadet Round 1: 7 Votes (Briggins, Gitta Rensolo, Hartroc, Italian Plastic, the_gloaming09, violetsparks, Yggdrasil) 1. Reckoner 2. You And Whose Army? 3. Where I End and You Begin 4. 15 Step 5. Street Spirit 6. Let Down 7. Just 8. True Love Waits (Live) 9. Pyramid Song 10. There There 11. Like Spinning Plates 12. Weird Fishes/Arpeggi 13. Exit Music (For a Film) 14. How to Disappear Completely 15. Separator [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uofQD-N6UI&p=4D3F37188B4ADAF3]YouTube - Radiohead - Reckoner - by Clement Picon[/ame] ----- the_gloaming09 Round 1: 2 Votes (i'maveryneatMonster.', jcoldplay) 1. Nude 2. Let Down 3. A Wolf at the Door 4. The Tourist 5. These Are My Twisted Words 6. How to Disappear Completely 7. Exit Music (For a Film) 8. Jigsaw Falling Into Place 9. The National Anthem 10. No Surprises 11. Dollars & Cents 12. Everything in its Right Place 13. The Gloaming 14. The Butcher 15. Myxomatosis [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZT_nrrpe8c&p=6CEDB942351B7EB5]YouTube - Radiohead - Nude (Scotch Mist Version)[/ame] Thanks to everyone that participated in this! And if you still want to you can submit your lists for everyone else to see if you didn't get to participate. Next Band up for this is Arcade Fire!

alrighty then peeps! The voting is all closed and we have the results! The winner of the most popular Radiohead song choice list on CPing is Choice C, who's list belongs to The Final Track! Congratulations! :thumbsup: 1. There There (The Boney King Of Nowhere) 2. Paranoid Android 3. Idioteque 4. Everything In It's Right Place 5. No Surprises 6. My Iron Lung 7. How To Disappear Completely 8. Exit Music (For A Film) 9. Street Spirit (Fade Out) 10. Karma Police 11. 2 + 2 = 5 (The Lukewarm) 12. The Butcher 13. Life In A Glass House 14. Sail To The Moon (Brush The Cobwebs Off The Sky) 15. Pyramid Song [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODVDZy2mvjA&p=7D8834C433CEFE06]YouTube - There There (The Boney King Of Nowhere) - Radiohead[/ame]

well maybe 11, because I think I've stated my point as best as I can :lol:

Tamer Animals-Other Lives Might be my favorite album of the year thus far: http://hypem.com/#!/artist/Other%20Lives

just a few hours left to vote!

I don't care if people think of me as unpatriotic (because I love living in this country), but that whole chanting of "USA! USA! USA!" really annoys the hell out of me almost more than anything else. Back to the topic I agree with pretty much everyone has said. I think it puts a bad image on our country and also the people that live in it. I personally don't like how by the rest of the world seeing that that it makes it easy to assume that I as well as the other 300 million Americans feel the same way. I say if you want to "celebrate" his death, do it in the privacy of your own home.

You guys continue to make very convincing points that has me continue to be more and more against the idea, but I still can't fully bring myself to say 100% no to it. I mean of course I think that it should almost never be used but in the most extreme cases. You did bring up that judgement is probably clouded. Alright I'll admit it it's true. Our government does feed us things and has done things that we don't want to or aren't "supposed" to know about or help persuade. Perhaps though for me it may be different from all of you because of being so close to NYC. I mean on 9/11 I could see the smoke from the World Trade Center from my house (though in the far distance). The idea of something as terrible as that happening just a matter of a miles away was traumatic and scary. I mean I know for a few years after 9/11 I was honestly uneasy and afraid when heading into NYC or even going on bridges in fear that something might happen. Today it's nothing like that but it is still something that lingers on, and I think whether I realize it or not is at the back of my mind. Also with countries such as Iran developing nuclear power that could very well lead to nuclear weapons, Pakistan being an unstable nation with their nuclear weapons, knowing that the former Soviet Union lost a bunch of suitcase nukes, and the unarguable fact that radical jihadists would love nothing more than to get a nuclear weapon, I've always had the fear of one being detonated in the city, as crazy as you guys may think that sounds. Living in such a close vicinity to NYC, or having the ability to go there at anytime I choose this is unnerving and this is the main reason why I cannot fully say or take the possibility of torture off the table, especially considering that NYC is one of the most popular and populated cities not only in America but in the entire world. I'm not sure where the rest of you live, but I'm sure if you were in a similar situation as I am perhaps you could possibly understand where I'm coming from. It's not saying that I think it's a good thing. No form of human violence is good, whether it be anything from domestic violence to wars or torture, so I'm not condoning at what the government is doing is good.

The next band will be Arcade Fire, and people can decide

Other Lives Radiohead The Beatles

I just hope I don't disintegrate or comeback with half of me gone

^:lol: Also I had a discussion with my parents today about Bin Ladens death and the reaction. I feel that although it's good to not live in a world with him that the reaction by people in Washington and NYC was a bit too much. I mean to me it looked like a frat party or like a superbowl celebration. I was honestly ashamed to see people acting the way they were. I could understand why people would be happy, but to act so immaturely? Regardless of who has died, the death of a human should not be celebrated in that fashion unless it's honoring their life. For me it was more of the principal behind it. It's like say that a family member of yours was killed and you went to see the execution of the person. I'm sure that you wouldn't start jumping up and down. I just feel that if America wants to seem sophisticated, that doing something like that isn't the way to do it. I feel it would give off a really bad impression and in fact influence more people to do bad things by seeing our reaction and being angered, much how right after 9/11 people (including myself) was angered to see people celebrating what happened. What is everyone elses thoughts on the reaction of his death by Americans as seen in DC and NYC?