Actually I think some instrumentation of X&Y is like a weak and simple Pink Floyd.

 

And simple because, I dont think it takes half as much talent to play Coldplay songs. I could play their stuff after only knowing guitar for 6 months, Pink Floyd are definately a lot more talented.

 

"But Coldplay are new" when Pink Floyd were New they sounded just as good. I expected them to sound quite rusty last night, but no, they were great. And seeing as they still hate eachother I doubt there was a terrible amount of practicing going on in their spare time...

I didn't see much of it - I was sitting in a park waiting for Coldplay to come on stage! :lol:

Of what I did see, I thought Annie Lennox was very good and the images that were put to the music were moving.

I have the rest on tape, but I haven't watched it yet.

My highlight Paul McCatney and U2 singing Srgnt. Pepper.

^ thats a funny ass avy you've got there

Actually I think some instrumentation of X&Y is like a weak and simple Pink Floyd.

 

And simple because, I dont think it takes half as much talent to play Coldplay songs. I could play their stuff after only knowing guitar for 6 months, Pink Floyd are definately a lot more talented.

 

"But Coldplay are new" when Pink Floyd were New they sounded just as good. I expected them to sound quite rusty last night, but no, they were great. And seeing as they still hate eachother I doubt there was a terrible amount of practicing going on in their spare time...

 

I guess despite having been around for awhile, Coldplay still have some way to go... They keep improving of course, but still haven't got there yet. I'm just happy they're live playing has definitely improved, by a lot! Bands like Pink Floyd... They've been around for a couple of decades :D And just maybe, they were already better instrument players when they first started out. Of Coldplay songs being simple... Yep, their lines / notes themselves I guess are not that difficult, but the sound that comes out is beautiful... That my friend, producing that sound is not easy.

Yeah, difficulty has nothing to do with beauty or enjoyability or whatever, as far as I'm concerned. Listen to a Brian Eno record. How much in there is really difficult to play? Anybody with the most rudimentary knowledge of the piano could recreate most of it. And yet Brian Eno has created some of the greatest music of the last 50 years, in my opinion.

 

That said, I don't really think that Coldplay are among the most talented songwriters of their generation, and I don't think their live performances have really gotten that much better (in fact, I enjoyed them much more the first and second times I saw them than I did the third, but that was probably due to venue size and lack of intimacy at the third show). With the fractured market for music we live with today, accessability has a lot more to do with who becomes the biggest stars than talent does. I won't deny that Coldplay are talented (I am posting at this message board, after all), but I would say that there are far more talented songwriters and performers than them. (Sufjan Stevens, M83, the Flaming Lips, and Super Furry Animals all come to mind, among others.)

When I was thinking of good popular songwriters who are better then Coldplay, Flaming Lips and Super Furry Animals popped into my head.

 

But sorry Gentleparachute, I think that Coldplay have moulded as musicians and arent going to get a hell of a lot better then this (And creatively in songwriting, I feel they are getting worse). And the emotions and beauty you talk of, I dont think its incredibly complicated. I mean if you asked them to record a song like Comfortably Numb, they wouldn't stand a chance at gaining the same rich effect.

I really enjoyed Wish You Were Here by Pink Floyd :nice:

When I was thinking of good popular songwriters who are better then Coldplay, Flaming Lips and Super Furry Animals popped into my head.

 

But sorry Gentleparachute, I think that Coldplay have moulded as musicians and arent going to get a hell of a lot better then this (And creatively in songwriting, I feel they are getting worse). And the emotions and beauty you talk of, I dont think its incredibly complicated. I mean if you asked them to record a song like Comfortably Numb, they wouldn't stand a chance at gaining the same rich effect.

 

I agree. :( They seem to have maxed out whatever their "genre" has to offer. A big change is in order after they're done with this album. I really hate saying this but I think that they've finally become too commercial, even for my taste. I wouldn't criticise the band for being not dazzling enough instrumentally though, they've never tried to be and have never tried to pretend that they were good that way either. They do try to go for what they're good at playing though, which are simple, nicely rounded lines, never too much nor too little

Well I dont hold a personal hate or grudge over them because they cant play mindblowing guitar or drum solo's or something, Im sure theyre nice boys, whatever. I simply prefer Pink Floyd or hundreds of other bands because they are out and out, far more talented, creatively and on stage.

 

And I agree with you about Coldplay having little places to go... I think theyve dug themselves into a bit of a hole here. They could've mixed it up on this album, but now theyve created something that is basically their old songwriting techniques in the form of a disguise. They need to change the songwriting, and its harder then just using synth or buying an expensive keyboard...

I liked them a lot (still do, just a bit less) coz they used to fit the comfort-intimate niche with the songs in their earlier albums. Now that they've become more mainstream, at times they sound a bit mediocre trying to sound big. I totally agree that they should've mixed it up in this album... It would've been both sonically more diverse and also given themselves more room to manouevre. And just maybe, this band wasn't meant to be "big"

Exactly! I've always thought they were a smaller band trying to sound bigger. But quite simply, I dont think they have the talent and ability to be huge in every form (rather then just huge in popular and mainstream success).

I think they would've grown big (though maybe not to current proportions) just by sticking with their "small" songs

Probably, I know what you mean. Though I do feel from day 1 (Parachutes) they were always trying to be a bit larger then their talent.

^ Some would just say that's maximising your talents :D