The Pope must die, says Muslim

 

A notorious Muslim extremist told a demonstration in London yesterday that the Pope should face execution.

Anjem Choudary said those who insulted Islam would be "subject to capital punishment".

His remarks came during a protest outside Westminster Cathedral on a day that worldwide anger among Muslim hardliners towards Pope Benedict XVI appeared to deepen.

The pontiff yesterday apologised for causing offence during a lecture last week. Quoting a medieval emperor, his words were taken to mean that he called the prophet Mohammed "evil and inhuman".

He insisted he was "deeply sorry" but his humbling words did not go far enough to silence all his critics or quell the violence and anger he has triggered.

A nun was shot dead in Somalia by Islamic gunmen and churches came under attack in Palestine.

Choudary's appeal for the death of Pope Benedict was the second time he has been linked with apparent incitement to murder within a year.

The 39-year-old lawyer organised

demonstrations against the publication of cartoons of Mohammed in February in Denmark. Protesters carried placards declaring "Behead Those Who Insult Islam".

Yesterday he said: "The Muslims take their religion very seriously and non-Muslims must appreciate that and that must also understand that there may be serious consequences if you insult Islam and the prophet.

"Whoever insults the message of Mohammed is going to be subject to capital punishment."

He added: "I am here have a peaceful demonstration. But there may be people in Italy or other parts of the world who would carry that out.

"I think that warning needs to be understood by all people who want to insult Islam and want to insult the prophet of Islam."

As well as placards attacking the Pope such as "Pope go to Hell", his followers outside the country's principal Roman Catholic church also waved slogans aimed at offending the sentiments of Christians such as "Jesus is the slave of Allah".

A Scotland Yard spokesman said of his comments: "We have had no complaints about this. There were around 100 people at the demonstration. It passed off peacefully and there were no arrests."

Larger Islamic groups in Britain said they accepted the Pope's apology. Inayat Bunglawala of the Muslim Council of Britain said: "The Vatican has moved quickly to deal with the hurt and we accept that.

"It was something that should never have happened - words of that nature were always likely to cause dismay - and we believe some of the Pope's advisers may have been at fault over his speech."

Yesterday's sermon by the Pope was the first time a pontiff has publicly said sorry.

He said he regretted Muslim reaction to his speech and stressed that the quotation did not reflect his personal opinion. Anger and violence - including attacks on seven churches in the West Bank and Gaza - have characterised one of the biggest international crises involving the Vatican in decades.

The Pope appeared determined to move quickly to try to defuse the anger but the fury of many radicals was unabated last night and there were fears for his safety.

Iraqi jihadists issued a video of a scimitar slicing a cross in two, intercut with images of Benedict and the burning Twin Towers.

The website run in the name of the Mujahedeen Army, used by extremist groups who have claimed responsibility for attacks in Iraq, was addressed to "You dog of Rome" and threatened to "shake your thrones and break your crosses in your home".

In a reference to suicide bombing, it said: "We swear to God to send you people who adore death as much as you adore life."

The threat of violence against Catholics and Christians was emphasised by the murder of an Italian nun in Somalia. Sister Leonella, 66, was shot as she walked from the children's hospital where she worked to her house in Mogadishu, a city recently taken over by an Islamic government.

A Vatican spokesman said he feared her death was "the fruit of violence and irrationality arising from the current situation".

Father Frederico Lombardi said he hoped it was an isolated event. "We are worried about this wave of hatred and hope it doesn't have any grave consequences for the Church around the world," he said.

The murder suggested that extremists are determined to use the Pope's embarrassment as an excuse for violence.

In Turkey, state minister Mehmet Aydin said the Pope seemed to be saying he was sorry for the outrage but not necessarily for his remarks.

"You either have to say this, 'I'm sorry' in a proper way or not say it at all," he told reporters in Istanbul.

There were fierce denunciations of the pontiff from Iran. The English-language Tehran Times called his lecture in Bavaria last week "code words for a new crusade".

The powerful cleric Ahmad Khatami told theological students in the holy city of Qom: The "Pope should fall on his knees in front of a senior Muslim cleric and try to understand Islam."

But the Turkish government signalled it was content and that the Pope's visit to the country in November can go ahead.

In his sermon yesterday at the Papal summer residence of Castel Gandolfo outside Rome, Benedict spoke amid strengthened security.

He said: "I am deeply sorry for the reactions in some countries to a few passages of my address at the University of Regensburg, which were considered offensive to the sensibility of Muslims.

"These in fact were a quotation from a medieval text, which do not in any way express my personal thought. I hope this serves to appease hearts and to clarify the true meaning of my address."

No other Pope is thought to have made such an apology.

"A notorious Muslim extremist told a demonstration in London yesterday that the Pope should face execution.

Anjem Choudary said those who insulted Islam would be "subject to capital punishment".

 

When are Muslims, going to realise its people like this who are damaging Islam. They need to get act against these people but they never do.

"A notorious Muslim extremist told a demonstration in London yesterday that the Pope should face execution.

Anjem Choudary said those who insulted Islam would be "subject to capital punishment".

 

When are Muslims, going to realise its people like this who are damaging Islam. They need to get act against these people but they never do.

 

And why are people being allowed to shout this kind of stuff in the street in the first place??

Freedpm of speech. I meant to say normal Muslims should be doing more against the extremists, its like they turn a blind eye and then they say the government should do more and police should stop arresting them.

And why are people being allowed to shout this kind of stuff in the street in the first place??

agree!and Pope in first place,who is supposed to respect all religions-islam among them

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There's a big difference - the Pope wasn't calling for someone's death.;)

There's a big difference - the Pope wasn't calling for someone's death.;)

huh you're right again:D yeah i know,but with those people you should be carefull.They're fanatics when it comes to religion.

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That's the problem.;)

Freedom of speech is a given right in all democratic countries. But it doesn't mean you can say anything without repercussions.

 

And so... with the new laws for anti-religeous speech and incitement are they going to prosecute those fundamentalist islamists who preach this kind of thing against catholicism, atheism or any -ism?

 

No are they hell. They'll just bottle it like they always f**** do and say 'oh but we don't want to hurt their feelings'

 

bull.:angry:

Freedom of speech is a given right in all democratic countries. But it doesn't mean you can say anything without repercussions.

 

And so... with the new laws for anti-religeous speech and incitement are they going to prosecute those fundamentalist islamists who preach this kind of thing against catholicism, atheism or any -ism?

 

No are they hell. They'll just bottle it like they always f**** do and say 'oh but we don't want to hurt their feelings'

 

bull.:angry:

 

True. This is why nobody has any faith in the government or the police.;)

They're very quick to arrest people riding bikes through parks or peacefully demonstrating outside Labour Party conferences, but sit on their backsides when something serious like this happens.

;)

yeah.indeed it's very serious and it may lead to war between muslims and christians:( hope it doesn't while i'm alive-cos if it does i'm in big trouble.:D

dont worry tams we still like brothers:) :cool:

if popes say wrong things that not mean all christian with him and if some muslims say a wrong things that not mean all muslims with them.

 

 

i have note about muslims says

its everytime some persons saying words can hurts muslims like islamic terrorism and prohphet's carton at the same time there is terror things happened in iraq and plastine and in the middle east specially as result for that pressures makes muslims more extremist about religion.

yeah.indeed it's very serious and it may lead to war between muslims and christians:( hope it doesn't while i'm alive-cos if it does i'm in big trouble.:D

 

Bit late. The war has already started. It's been going on for 1500yrs since the inception of the major monotheistic religeons.

 

we call it the crusades and we're at the start of the 3rd crusade. No land frontiers as such just a battle over the hearts and minds of people coupled with the link to modern government and natural resources

 

The goal? Conversion of the world to Islam.

 

My goal... for the world to wake up to the fact that unless we recognise spirituality and doctrine aren't the same thing then we are all on the slippery slope.

dont worry tams we still like brothers:) :cool:

if popes say wrong things that not mean all christian with him and if some muslims say a wrong things that not mean all muslims with them.

 

 

i have note about muslims says

its everytime some persons saying words can hurts muslims like islamic terrorism and prohphet's carton at the same time there is terror things happened in iraq and plastine and in the middle east specially as result for that pressures makes muslims more extremist about religion.

hope so:)

The place where i live is surounded with muslim countries.exept Russia:)

about that cartoons....i've seen Jesus in similar things.why we never say anything about that...oh yeah maybe because it's us who paint things like that:( i dont' get this you know.what it means???that we don't care? we don't respect our own religion??

there is one thing can fix this problems between muslims and christian its like tifosi say conversation with islamic world to know him more.

i will show you something about conersation in arabic world there are christians lived with muslims without any problems unless a litte bit.onther thing i have more than one christian's friends and when i have religion fastival he call me and say some good words to me.

 

other side

why this didt happened in plastine?

Probably because you Arabs dont like Jews much and treat Israel as an enemy.

Probably because you Arabs dont like Jews much and treat Israel as an enemy.

questing yourself why we are live christian by peace and love and cant live with jews.

be honest .....

Probably because you Arabs dont like Jews much and treat Israel as an enemy.

same you can say with Jews.they both hate each-other.It's really complicated:(

Excatley, unless both sides admit they're wrong, and start trusting each other and talking, then they wont get anywhere.

 

Its people like Elmasry and maldini the holocaust deneirs who refuse to take the first step and admit they're wrong and apologise.

 

Honeslty, it seems at times like the entire region is a schoolyard playground.

dont change my question smut and answer coz when the wrong side admitt by his foults then we can talking

I was talking to Tams

 

Besides its a fair point, you wont apologise for denying the Holocaust and yet you expect the other side to apologise.

 

Result? You both go around in circles.

 

Life is so much easier when you admit your wrong and stop hating. Try it.

it is easy for us to say that they have to sit and talk(in fact they must)but as i said it's complicated.

but the worst part is that common ppl get hurt,ppl who want only one to live in peace.

I was talking to Tams

 

Besides its a fair point, you wont apologise for denying the Holocaust and yet you expect the other side to apologise.

 

Result? You both go around in circles.

 

Life is so much easier when you admit your wrong and stop hating. Try it.

i just have right to freedom speeche like you when you didt admitted by islam.

about holocoust we are not part on this fake massacre,we didt kill jews there,we are just thinking about it and see result if it fake or not and dont forget not only me didt admitted by it,there is western ppl who's makes me thinking about it and i didt aplogize about something i didt make it.

Well theres still lots that common people can do - Wake up and stop the hate.

 

Ignore your friends who talk about the otherside badly, understand whats going on and why, spread the word, get involved in the community, get involved in stuff that promotes jew/islam cooperation. Denounce the bad people on your side.

tams are you know what isreal doing in plastinian everyday.