Video- Loose Change vs. Popular Mechanics

[Matter-Eater Lad]

 

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I love this video. Those conspiracy theorist didnt even stand a change:) I kinda feel bad for them, even when proven wrong they wont give up

[General Smut]

didnt realise the Loose change people were kids

[Matter-Eater Lad]

haha so far Gareth is silent. Well im happy to say the 911 conspiracy theories never stand up to the facts and science.

[Black Rose]

This isn't news.

 

I'm so fed up with the pointless arguments about the 11th September attacks, nothing will ever happen with them.

 

:lock:

[General Smut]

haha so far Gareth is silent. Well im happy to say the 911 conspiracy theories never stand up to the facts and science.

 

And logic.

[Matter-Eater Lad]

I am too, but people like gareth no matter how much are proven wrong will never change their mind

[GazeboflossUK]

Keep dreaming guys. I don't even need to argue anymore. People have and are finding the truth - and I've already watched that video ages ago on 9.11.2006. People think that popular mechanics did well? They just our right lie. Anyway.

 

"Do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?

 

Telling the truth 16%

 

Hiding something 53%

 

Mostly lying 28%

 

Not sure 3%"

 

Angus Reid Scienific Poll for NY Times/CBS News.

 

Hmmm what a media blackout on this fact.

[General Smut]

so 1 in 4 americans believe that it was the government then.

 

1 in 4 americans also believe that man never went to the moon

 

Americans arent the brightest, if they hear lots of stuff about a subject then thats what they'll believe.

 

http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/FlatHome.htm

If that was hyped up like the 9/11 stuff, 1 in 4 americans would probably believe it. at least.

[GazeboflossUK]

Well, actually when 81% + aren't happy with the governments story I think it should be bigger news.

 

(oh and quit with the straw man stuff)

[General Smut]

Depends on how you look at the stats. In my view the 'hiding something' doesnt mean that the government did it, but that americans no longer support the Bush administration as they did in 2004.

[GazeboflossUK]

I know, I was saying 81% + aren't happy with the Governments story on the issue......hiding something is an understatement...:).

[Matter-Eater Lad]

so the popularity makes it true?

[GazeboflossUK]

I didn't say that.

 

It's it's not a popularity contest, people died.

[General Smut]

Its what you were implying thou wasnt it?

[GazeboflossUK]

No, I wasn't. I am mearly saying that the truth always comes out and 9/11 is something that alot of people have a hard time dealing with - but these sort of figures are an indication that the days of the lying scum bags who orchestrated it are over. People have realised that there's so much deception, the criminals have already lost.

[Matter-Eater Lad]

No' date=' I wasn't. I am mearly saying that the truth always comes out and 9/11 is something that alot of people have a hard time dealing with - but these sort of figures are an indication that the days of the lying scum bags who orchestrated it are over. People have realised that there's so much deception, the criminals have already lost.[/quote']

 

The truth often does not come out. and only a small amount of Americans believe in the conspiracy theories. most have seen how they lack evidence and logic and most have seen reports like popular mechanics, where they use science and logic over theories to get their point across.

[GazeboflossUK]

Well, it's coming out on 9/11.

 

Carry on believing and stating that there's a lack of evidence, think whatever you want. Go on pretending, I really don't care.

 

Saying that there's no evidence or facts is plain dumb.

Really, it is absolutely laughable. I hear neo-cons saying the exact same line ALL the time. It's because they can't debate the full issue and simply repeat "there's no evidence".....I'm too clever to be made a fool of.

 

So....here are the side-by-side results of the poll for 2002, 2004 and 2006 (the 2004 poll actually gives results for 3 different polling periods, in late March and early April 2004; for simplicity, I will just use the early April figures, which were taken right around the time of Richard Clarke's testimony to the 9/11 Commission):

 

____________May 2002___May 2004___Oct 2006

Telling the truth------21%----------24%-----------16%

Hiding something----65%----------56%-----------53%

Mostly lying-----------8%-----------16%-----------28%

Not Sure---------------6%------------4%------------3%

 

So what do these results tell us?

 

Clearly, many Americans - 65% - believed right off the bat in spring 2002 that the government was hiding something. By spring 2004, that figure was reduced almost 10 percent by the 9/11 Commission's dog-and-pony show. The Americans who were only peripherally paying attention to the Commission's work believed that all questions about the attacks were being answered, and so the percentage of Americans who believed the government was telling the truth increased slightly, from 21% to 24%.

 

Interestingly, however, the percentage of people thinking the government was "mostly lying" doubled during that same period. So those paying attention to the facts and the actual substance of the testimony understood that the government was lying and whitewashing the 9/11 attacks.

 

Then by October 2006, the number of Americans who believe the government is mainly lying almost doubled again, to 28%. This is significant for a number of reasons. First, the 9/11 Commission Report has already been out for a long time. Second, the mainstream media has been defending that fairy tell for many years, calling anyone who questioned it a conspiracy nut case and -- as evidenced by Bill O'Reilly's attack on Jim Fetzer -- attempting to intimidate and harass 9/11 truthers. And third, the boys have spent untold amounts of money on psyops operations, likely including paying a bunch of desk-jockies to troll 9/11 truth discussions (such as those held at this site).

 

But still, the poll results show that the truth is winning out against the propaganda. Those who realize the government is lying about 9/11 has steadily risen, despite all of the bullying, disinformation, and "questioning 9/11 is unpatriotic" b.s. that has been spewed from every Orweillian talking box in the land.

 

The polls show that - if we re-double our efforts - we will win.

[Matter-Eater Lad]

It has come out on 911 through science.;) everyone know's the government is hiding something, i even believe that about this, but that does not mean they htink the Government was involved, just hiding something

[GazeboflossUK]

Well, at least you agree on them hiding something.

[Matter-Eater Lad]

Well' date=' at least you agree on them hiding something.[/quote']

 

Whoever thinks the government isnt hiding something is a fool. They are always hiding stuff from us.

[Plug_in_coldplaying]

Whoever thinks the government isnt hiding something is a fool. They are always hiding stuff from us.

thats true

[GazeboflossUK]

And just because they always hide things doesn't make it acceptable or right. That's the problem with alot of people these days....they simple accept that Governments and leaders are lying criminals all the time but are so used to it that they don't even care anymore.....AND IT'S SICK. This is way we are in the terrible state we are in now.

[Matter-Eater Lad]

And just because they always hide things doesn't make it acceptable or right. That's the problem with alot of people these days....they simple accept that Governments and leaders are lying criminals all the time but are so used to it that they don't even care anymore.....AND IT'S SICK. This is way we are in the terrible state we are in now.

 

No, but thats how the world works. It can never change and never will.

 

Every government hides things, every government will, no matter what, its a fact of life.

[GazeboflossUK]

It's a fact of life......

 

 

....no wonder we are so screwed.

[General Smut]

How are we screwed? we live well and we can do loads of cool stuff. On the whole we are able to lead good and productive lives.