Coldplay & co and their save the world projects

[Trigger]

I was last summer at an festival , and a singer said like let U2 en COldplay save the world.And i thought like yeah he's right ! All these bands and there campaigns it really adds these days nothing. I mean theres gonna changes nothing!

 

If you can think clear you know that to.A band is about music and nothing else. I don't know what the meaning is of promoting a action their stand up for.

 

Let is say it this way for the guys who signed up like fairtrade you did it just because of coldplay. You do iy because they said so , otherwise you should have found fairtrade otherwise if you were interested.

 

thats my opinion.

Let there be music & nothing else.

[Flying Sparks]

I'm sorry, but I absolutely disagree. The things you mentioned are exactly the reasons why it's GOOD what they're doing! Bono or Chris, as individual persons, won't save the world - but they make AWARE of the problems!

 

And if Chris motivates us to join Make Trade Fair - then what's wrong with it? We're not doing it because of Coldplay, we're doing it because they made us aware of the problem! The reason why celebrities join these campaigns is that they are in the public eye, people listen to them and they can stand up for something!

 

What you're saying is, to me, complete nonsense, I'm sorry...

[anna111]

^ I agree. Isn't it a good thing that bands are getting us into these awesome organizations? They have the chance to do these things and help the world become aware of our issues, why shouldn't they do things like this? Trigger, you make no sense to me.

[alyssa]

Dude, they have to freedom to do whatever they want. If they wanna spread the word about fair trade etc, let them! Whether you relate it to the music or not is your choice.

 

Just because they're in bands 'n stuff doesn't mean they can't promote good causes.

[frostbitepanda]

Yes. I admit that the only reason I know of FairTrade or Oxfam or other such organizations is because of Coldplay... but, you know, the last time I checked... that was a GOOD thing? I'm buying Fair Trade products and (red) products and spreading awareness about Darfur and biomass energy because of socially aware bands like Coldplay.

 

Saying it should just be the music is bullshit. Music is life. Just like any form of art. You can't just filter the outside world out of music. That's crap. Utter crap. And it makes me cringe whenever I hear people talk like that. All of art is a refelction of the artist's feelings and thoughts about what is happening to them or around them. Sometimes it's a breakup, other times it's a societal thing. These bands are using their immense fame for very good causes. Chris has always said that he doesn't think that they can save the world, that their "just a bunch of guys" and that their songs are "just a bunch of songs" (Seriously, it's in their 2002 Koolhous interveiw), but they can either promote hairgel or something like that, or something like Fair Trade that doesn't get promoted. Can you imagine where Fair Trade would be right now if it weren't for Coldplay? They aalone have gotten millions of signatures for the petition. So many people know about it. In the time of their Twisted Logic tour, I started seeing more Fair Trade products in stores than ever. I'm not saying that the tour had EVERYTHING to do with the increase in Fair Trade products, but I do think it had a bit of an influence. And it's not like all I've ever done was sign the petition. I'm active in Oxfam with writing letters to my senators about funding for foriegn aid and fair trade talks. And yeah, it was all because of Coldplay.

 

You can't just seperate things in life and put them neatly into their own little box. Without people like Coldplay, U2, Pearl Jam, and Radiohead, how would the issues that need to be addressed get addressed? No one (especially young people) listen to politicians or simply random people. They listen to their bands and actors.

 

It's when they start getting EXTREMELY political (a la Greenday and Rage Against the Machine) that things tend to fall apart.

[CRYSTAL]

Make trade fair campaign of coldplay.That's great to help world.

not only me no one can't deny it.

[milkshake5]

does flying back and forth in a jet at every possible opportunity count as saving the world? mmmm. keep up the fair trading but remember everyone is a hypocrite. maybe you guys should think about making 'chris' see the error of his ways-we the fans/consumers have the power. without us they would be nothing. we made the fairtrade thing happen because we make these people rich celebrities.

turnuptheheat.org -check out the fuel facts-one return trip over the atlantic is a whole years sustainable carbon ration for one person.

we all need to act now.

including mr martin

[alyssa]

^you think we don't know about that already? :rolleyes:

[milkshake5]

of course-but you just dont care do you?

[CRYSTAL]

ofcourse we don't care.

[Flying Sparks]

Oh we do care, at least I do! I'm not an expert in fuel issues and all that, but in fact, they do that for us - to get to as many places as possible, play concerts and just fulfill the consumer's needs! And just imagine they'd do all that by road and ship, with all the crew, the equipment, everything - would probably take much more fuel than one private jet, don't you think?

[Trigger]

Its just if you are for fairtrade then would you pay for example 1$ for a bar of chocolot in a oxfam store or 0,50 in a normal.

 

I hate to tell it but if They would have an BIGGER FAIR Price for their products then we would pay alos MORE then!! as the export costs are bigger.

So happy now then?!

[shesawsparks]

They are not just musicians, they are people and every person can help make a real change if they want to and are prepared to fight for it. The fact that they are in a famous band puts them in a very good position to help promote their cause and if that's what they want to do then why shouldn't they?

[victaniac]

does flying back and forth in a jet at every possible opportunity count as saving the world? mmmm. keep up the fair trading but remember everyone is a hypocrite. maybe you guys should think about making 'chris' see the error of his ways-we the fans/consumers have the power. without us they would be nothing. we made the fairtrade thing happen because we make these people rich celebrities.

turnuptheheat.org -check out the fuel facts-one return trip over the atlantic is a whole years sustainable carbon ration for one person.

we all need to act now.

including mr martin

:thinking:

 

The constant flying is part of their job, as is with every band. Unless one rides a bicycle to work/school every morning, one can't point fingers. It's the same concept, just a bigger extreme as they work all over the world. Either way, Coldplay are not environmentalist. They have done things to help improve the environment in certain locations, but their focus has always been to help reduce poverty, not the conditions of the earth. There's quite a difference.

[frostbitepanda]

Its just if you are for fairtrade then would you pay for example 1$ for a bar of chocolot in a oxfam store or 0,50 in a normal.

 

I hate to tell it but if They would have an BIGGER FAIR Price for their products then we would pay alos MORE then!! as the export costs are bigger.

So happy now then?!

 

The export costs ARE more you ass. They actually pay the farmers good money for their products so they have to up the price for profit. The reason why countries like the US and other big nations get it so good is because the government pays them to not plant a certain crop for a certain amount of time to keep prices competitive and then they dump the surplus on poor countries so they can sell if for dirt bottom prices. The surplus adds up, and pretty soon local farmers can't even sell their products in their own country. And it's not only in poor countries either. American farmers are being bought out by huge farming conglomerates and being run out so the US can dominate the world agicultural industry. Our government also LOVES to put massive tarriffs on Fair Trade products so people don't buy them because of the high price.

 

Look it up and learn something before you start discussing something you don't know anything about (You might want to learn English a bit better as well). You can either save yourself 50 cents and screw over some poor coffee farmer in Argentina or just milk yourself dry and get the more expensive shit.

 

That's a hell of an excuse.

 

AND THE JET THING.

 

This is my final beat to this effing dead horse.

 

The only evidence you have that Chris flew back and forth to see his wife and kids during touring is some quote from an unreliable music rag printed months ago. Chris Martin does not own a jet. EMI leased them a jet for touring. That fact leads me to beleive that Chris didn't have the authority to saunter onto a plane that wasn't his and order them to wisk him to London. Not only would he not have the power and authority to do that, but there's the whole fact that... well... THE REST OF THE BAND NEEDS THAT PLANE TO GET TO THEIR NEXT GIG. Put it together people. They play a show almost every night. Do you think that he could do that? Or have the time? ESPECIALLY when he would probably have to cross many timezones to get to his destination? Let's not forget the fact that Gwyn and Apple both were on tour with him the MAJORITY of the time during the entire tour, so there would be no need to fly such a distance almost every night (There's another thing.... I think Chris would have enough of travel just to stay where ever he was at the time). And let's not forget! If they had bussed this tour, they would have to take over 5 buses across continents and I think that would be slightly less fule economic, don't you think?

 

I'm sorry... but it just REALLY doesn't add up with me.

 

...Sorry... I love debating.

[Fixed]

A very good point one person made, Coldplay are not environmentalists, they are promoting Fair Trade. And flying is much more efficient and quicker than car or swimming - using planes less on its own isn't going to end global warming anyhow. And some coffee shops ONLY sell fairtrade drinks now anyway, without a rise in prices, so in some places you can't avoid buying fairtrade even if you wanted to. If you have a problem with Coldplay then I'd hate to know what you think about rappers etc who tell the world about motherf**kers, guncrime, rape, their homies and the rest of it - now THAT's TWISTED LOGIC right there dude.

[frostbitepanda]

A very good point one person made' date=' Coldplay are not environmentalists, they are promoting Fair Trade. And flying is much more efficient and quicker than car or swimming - using planes less on its own isn't going to end global warming anyhow. And some coffee shops ONLY sell fairtrade drinks now anyway, without a rise in prices, so in some places you can't avoid buying fairtrade even if you wanted to. If you have a problem with Coldplay then I'd hate to know what you think about rappers etc who tell the world about motherf**kers, guncrime, rape, their homies and the rest of it - now THAT's TWISTED LOGIC right there dude.[/quote']

 

Well there's the thing... there's a coffee shop near me that sells all fair trade coffee and it's just as expensive, if not cheaper than Starbucks.

[CRYSTAL]

there are several bands like u2,radiohead,dido and many

doing their help for saving the world from problems.

Chris Martin had travelled to Ghana,Haiti,Dominican republic and

some other poor countries and got angry with the policies about rice.

And once doing a live concert during 'amsterdam' said that 'please import chocolate

and support fair trade'.Even he once nearly went to death but escaped

when a plane intended to crash during ghana trip.

He kept himself for auction once,doing numerous things to help

cancer victims,playing concerts and even donating the money they get

by playing concerts and selling albums to charities.

Not only fair trade he also took part in some other campaigns like

'stop hand gun voilence','water aid' and even some others we don't know.

Just travelling during gigs is not a right point to point fingers on his charity

work.Really staying apart from home and responsibilities for several

days is a hell.Even we have to do that while giving live concerts

not only he.But just taking that point to point on him isn't right.

His activites to help world is great!

[Trigger]

there are several bands like u2,radiohead,dido and many

doing their help for saving the world from problems.

Chris Martin had travelled to Ghana,Haiti,Dominican republic and

some other poor countries and got angry with the policies about rice.

And once doing a live concert during 'amsterdam' said that 'please import chocolate

and support fair trade'.Even he once nearly went to death but escaped

when a plane intended to crash during ghana trip.

He kept himself for auction once,doing numerous things to help

cancer victims,playing concerts and even donating the money they get

by playing concerts and selling albums to charities.

Not only fair trade he also took part in some other campaigns like

'stop hand gun voilence','water aid' and even some others we don't know.

Just travelling during gigs is not a right point to point fingers on his charity

work.Really staying apart from home and responsibilities for several

days is a hell.Even we have to do that while giving live concerts

not only he.But just taking that point to point on him isn't right.

His activites to help world is great!

 

 

 

i think he said please EAT more chocolat and please visit made trade fair.com

[Flying Sparks]

Trigger, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about, and if you have, then you can't state your arguments properly. And the fact that you don't reply to serious, well-written posts like those of frostbitepanda (who I couldn't agree more with, by the way), just shows that you might have had the guts to open this thread - but you aren't brave or smart enough to get further into this subject!