ok we all seen in text books how fossils are made... a dead animal get covered by sand and gradually...blah blah blah... but i have a question....? how then do we get fossils of fish??? now for all of u who think this is the same process keep this in mind... what happens to a dead fish... it floats...

 

 

also if u leave a dead animal out side doesn't it get eaten??? and if its eaten how dose its skin stay preserved in a fossil?

 

next question.... how come there are fossils of fish eating fish (http://www.fossilmuseum.net/Fossil_Galleries/Green_River_Formation_Fish/Aspiration/asp1007.JPG)... there was even one of a dinosaur giving birth.....

 

there is no way u can tell me that a dinosaur was preserved perfectly like that for millions of years...

 

now 1000s of scientists have researched fossils and this is there theory.... isn't this obvious that this theory simply doesn't comply....

 

can any 1 offer a better solution?

ok we all seen in text books how fosils are made... a dead animal get coverd by sand and gardually...blah blah blah... but i have a question....? how then do we get fossis of fish??? now for all of u who think this is the same process keep this in mind... what happens to a dead fish... it floats...

 

 

also if u leave a dead animal out side dosnt it get eaten??? and if its eaten how dose its skin stay preserved in a fossil?

 

next question.... how come there are fossils of fish eating fish(http://www.fossilmuseum.net/Fossil_Galleries/Green_River_Formation_Fish/Aspiration/asp1007.JPG)... there was even one of a dinosuar giving birth.....

 

there is no way u can tell me that a dinosaur was preserved perfectly like that for millions of years...

 

now 1000s of scientists have researched fossils and this is there theory.... isnt this obvious that this theory simply dosnt comply....

 

can any 1 offer a better solution?

 

haven't you heard about the extintion.. :uhoh: i mean if there was something that crashed the Earth, all was covered with dust, dust that falled gradually to the ground, if there is dust, is not easy to breath so you can die... does it explains you how the fossil came?....

 

you know there are several ways to conserve a dead body like it were "alive" (i mean not obvious skeleton), i've seen pics of egyptians mummies and also from people that died on a cave with petrol, or even only got die in de desert and the sun dried their body. so i gues that for fossils is more or less the same.

... this isnt rocket science is it?

haven't you heard about the extintion.. :uhoh: i mean if there was something that crashed the Earth, all was covered with dust, dust that falled gradually to the ground, if there is dust, is not easy to breath so you can die... does it explains you how the fossil came?....

 

you know there are several ways to conserve a dead body like it were "alive" (i mean not obvious skeleton), i've seen pics of egyptians mummies and also from people that died on a cave with petrol, or even only got die in de desert and the sun dried their body. so i gues that for fossils is more or less the same.

 

a) that dosnt explain the fish....they have gills that filter dust etc out

b) that dosnt explain the fish eating the fish... u cannot tell me that it choke at that very second...

c) wouldn't every thing be dead then.... why are there still people living... lol or did that just affect the dinosaurs...

 

so no dust theory....

 

new theory animals become extinct and its not that unusual....

 

now why did all the dinosaurs have to become extinct at the same time..... and with the extinction of smaller dinosaurs larger ones may have died off soon.... this isn't that compelling and corresponds with survival of the fittest...

 

so why do so many people believe that the dinosaurs all became extinct at the same time?

a) that dosnt explain the fish....they have gills that filter dust etc out

b) that dosnt explain the fish eating the fish... u cannot tell me that it choke at that verry second...

c) wouldnt every thing be dead?

dust fall, a quantitity of dust so big that the gills can filter... the sea gets covered with the dust, and so the water is not clean....

 

let me change it, have you heard about Lucy, you heard the theory, she was going to cross a river and the water catched her.. so she died, tons of years later we found her....

is the same a thing that happens suddenly, time goes by and then later we found it, we don't get the meaning and so we built a theory from what we know....

 

you are right it could in a different way, if so, develop it an send it to experts.... is not that easy to do a thing like that Terry, change what people believe since long time ago... well.

 

and yes why not everything could be dead before the dust, why not, i think that there's no mean to know that.. may be is more good that idea, i mean if really the earth was full of animals, then we had found few fossils, may be the fossils are only for the dead animal before the dust.

so the ones that were alive could hide in some way and so survive to the crash. :thinking:

so no dust theory....

 

new theory animals become extinct and its not that unusual....

 

now why did all the dinosaurs have to become extinct at the same time..... and with the extinction of smaller dinosaurs larger ones may have died off soon.... this isn't that compelling and corresponds with survival of the fittest...

 

so why do so many people believe that the dinosaurs all became extinct at the same time?

we are speaking about a thing that happened many thousands of years ago, all is a theory built from some evidences, that can be wrong, i mean we date a bone for the co2 that we find in it, or something like that, that we do it from our view point at present we are not sure how the air was in those times..

 

so we can't waste time dating each animal in it exact died date, it would took us many centuries.. :thinking: so we date it in a general way.

 

btw have you comment all those things to your teachers, may be they have better information than me because

 

a) my studies are of humanity, not science

b) i don't know how to explain you many things, as i'm not native english..

 

btw thanks to bring an interesting topic. :)

we are speaking about a thing that happened many thousands of years ago, all is a theory built from some evidences, that can be wrong, i mean we date a bone for the co2 that we find in it, or something like that, that we do it from our view point at present we are not sure how the air was in those times..

 

so we can't waste time dating each animal in it exact died date, it would took us many centuries.. :thinking: so we date it in a general way.

 

btw have you comment all those things to your teachers, may be they have better information than me because

 

a) my studies are of humanity, not science

b) i don't know how to explain you many things, as i'm not native english..

 

btw thanks to bring an interesting topic. :)

 

carbon dating is co2 its the ratio of c12 to c14 and ari carbon cannot exist over 100,000 years or it disintegrates that means that every thing that is carbon dated is less that 100k years old....

 

however... they found carbon in t-rex bones.... i know what yur about to say... 'well that means that carbon can last longer than 100k years cos theres no way that....' well maybe this means that the t-rex bone was younger than we think....

 

people have dug up buried dogs in there back yard wich were supposedly 50k years old...

 

another way we measure how old something is, is by seeing were we found it... that like at the grand canyon which we all know took millions of years to form due to dust.... this is bullcrap at saint hellens it took 30mins to form a canyon 10 metres high due to the volcanic activity....

 

this means that the grand canyon may have been formed by a few hours of volcanic activity... :thinking:

 

hmm can u think of any such occasion?

in all honesty..... i dont beleive in evolution... lol i just wanted to see how you'd react lol

 

at the time of the flood the waters underneath the earth were released and we have major volcanic activity a shifting of the continental plates ect... this event explains fossils better than millions of years lol.... and i would really like to see you debate that statement....

Interesting points...

thnx not bad for a 15 year old ^^

 

ok this is last post i go to bed now g'nite

Goodnight

actually fish don't all float when they die. Some float for a while, but they don't float for very long. There are plenty of fish who end up on the bottom of lakes and certainly the ocean where they decompose. And a lot of fish die on dry land, sand or mud. And I think a lot of the fossilized animals died in mud which became harder over time to form a rock.

 

Carbon dating supposedly is to measure the amount of carbon in a lifeform and in the surrounding rock or dirt or whatever. The carbon doesn't disappear after 100,000 years. I don't really know how they do it, but I know it doesn't just disappear.

 

There are many theories about different eras for dinosaurs as to why they became extinct all at once. A couple of them involve dust clouds covering the earth as you have talked about. The dust mainly killed animals by blocking out the necessary sun for them to live and somehow scientists think this killed a lot of animals while others somehow survived. Those events could have been triggered either by giant asteroids or by volcanic eruptions.

in all honesty..... i dont beleive in evolution... lol i just wanted to see how you'd react lol

 

at the time of the flood the waters underneath the earth were released and we have major volcanic activity a shifting of the continental plates ect... this event explains fossils better than millions of years lol.... and i would really like to see you debate that statement....

 

well what do you believe in then? its either evolution or divine creation...

 

and as a biology student , i'm willing to explain to you all your questions about how such anomalies such as a dinosaur giving birth occurred.

well what do you believe in then? its either evolution or divine creation...

 

and as a biology student , i'm willing to explain to you all your questions about how such anomalies such as a dinosaur giving birth occurred.

good question.

 

*sits ready to listen the explanations*

 

btw i think that Terry, just tried that we talked about something a bit different :thinking:

i'll come on tomorrow afternoon and post explanations to the first post or so.

 

i'm about to start my high school finals on friday for university entrance so things are pretty hectic here, but i'll try and come on tomorrow to get away from things.

good luck with the finals josh. :nice:

i like fossils :wacko:

well what do you believe in then? its either evolution or divine creation...

 

and as a biology student , i'm willing to explain to you all your questions about how such anomalies such as a dinosaur giving birth occurred.

 

ok... i beleive in divine creation.... im sorry i hvnt responded until now but havnt been on since last post...

 

anyways my first question is why do we need 1 theorie to explain the extinction of dinosaurs and why cant we have many theories... that is they died out just as animals dye out in modern times

because an entire ecosystem don't just die. they become extinct. different thing.

i dont mean like all the dinosaurs i mean species in particular... like tricerotops 1 year and t-rex maybe 7 years later or maybe 700 years....

 

next question is.... can animals gain dna information or dose it only deteriorate over time?