what im trying to say is that despite people not knowing theory, there are REAL PHYSICAL LAWS of music, just like there is with math. and sometimes, people do it incorrectly. so listen again: the note chris sings, the D# i was talking about, is a CLASHING NOTE. as it is OFF KEY, INCORRECT, NOT INTENTIONAL.

 

I want to know how you know it wasn't intentional.

You have no idea what they intended. People sing, play, and write notes out of key of the time. It's called dissonance.

It actually songs purposeful to me, and I can imagine on a project of this size they'd miss much of anything. But again, I don't know if it was a mistake or not.

 

And unlike you, I really don't think the songs all that great. It's alright, kind of boring. The lyrics are really bad, but some of the "newer-ish" ideas that they haven't used before work pretty well, I think.

 

If there's a problem with the production, it's that it's mastered too loud. Very little room to breathe in the song.

My two cents.

You're my favourite.

 

Haha. Mine too! This thread made my day though. It usually takes me a lot longer to learn a Coldplay song, and at this rate, my band'll be playing it at our next gig.:D

Erm, I proved the C natural in C#minor problem. I await sex, etc...

 

haha yes but as the other stated, we were all refering to the natural minors here, and obviously you were too since you were referring to E major originally, so we win.

 

maybe i just offered the sex because i like it angry? hmmmm. then the suicide cause im really masochistic. like that guy from INXS but worse.

haha.

it's not middle ground.

it's C# minor.

 

Then where's the C????:laugh3:

 

C# natural minor is the answer. Let's let this lie. And now move on to the fact that it's mastered too loud.

 

It is really compressed, you can really hear it on the cymbals, but it is really punchy, which X&Y wasn't.

wow

 

i'm sorry but this: http://www.pianoworld.com/fun/vpc/piano_chords.htm

is wrong.

 

C# minor is the same as E major.

it just depends on the mood of the song.

haha

 

greta how about you and i get together since we agree and we win?

I want to know how you know it wasn't intentional.

You have no idea what they intended. People sing, play, and write notes out of key of the time. It's called dissonance.

It actually songs purposeful to me, and I can imagine on a project of this size they'd miss much of anything. But again, I don't know if it was a mistake or not.

 

And unlike you, I really don't think the songs all that great. It's alright, kind of boring. The lyrics are really bad, but some of the "newer-ish" ideas that they haven't used before work pretty well, I think.

 

If there's a problem with the production, it's that it's mastered too loud. Very little room to breathe in the song.

My two cents.

 

RE: the matering.

 

Yeah. This is the problem with most new rock recordings. (and may be why some have compared this to nickleback *vomit*). Everything's so heavily compressed and pumped up for FM radio that the dynamic is sucked right out of it. I hope that's the case for the single, but not the album. It's industry standard, so we just have to live with it, I guess, but it's done a lot of damage to good music, imo.

haha yes but as the other stated, we were all refering to the natural minors here, and obviously you were too since you were referring to E major originally, so we win.

 

maybe i just offered the sex because i like it angry? hmmmm. then the suicide cause im really masochistic. like that guy from INXS but worse.

 

Well, when i'm talking minor i always assume at least a sharpened 7th to differentiate. In this case there isn't one so the natural assumption would be E major Aeolian mode. And I was taught that by professionals! Apart from the piano teacher, he crashed into trees.

 

And angry sex is fine.

I want to know how you know it wasn't intentional.

You have no idea what they intended. People sing, play, and write notes out of key of the time. It's called dissonance.

It actually songs purposeful to me, and I can imagine on a project of this size they'd miss much of anything. But again, I don't know if it was a mistake or not.

 

And unlike you, I really don't think the songs all that great. It's alright, kind of boring. The lyrics are really bad, but some of the "newer-ish" ideas that they haven't used before work pretty well, I think.

 

If there's a problem with the production, it's that it's mastered too loud. Very little room to breathe in the song.

My two cents.

 

i wont bother arguing about the first part of your reply, because i've done that for hours already and you can see everyone i said already about that matter in previous pages.

 

listening to the song more and more, and having to learn the chords so i could argue in this thread, makes me more "underwhelmed" by the song, to tell you the truth. i still really like it but seeing the chords being so typical took a little away from it, for me. i like the lyrics, personally.

 

and yeah it's mastered too loudly, but that's like EVERY other song out there today.

"It depends on the mood of the song" !!!!!!!!

 

Technical!

 

me win.

i wont bother arguing about the first part of your reply, because i've done that for hours already and you can see everyone i said already about that matter in previous pages.

 

listening to the song more and more, and having to learn the chords so i could argue in this thread, makes me more "underwhelmed" by the song, to tell you the truth. i still really like it but seeing the chords being so typical took a little away from it, for me. i like the lyrics, personally.

 

and yeah it's mastered too loudly, but that's like EVERY other song out there today.

 

It's why I didn't want to get to learning the song right away. I love the mystery of music, and sometimes solving it is a real bummer. (that's a musical term for buzzkill,lol)

 

Do we need to change the name of this thread to 'The Viole(n)t Hill Musicians Hook-Up Thread'?:lol:

greta how about you and i get together since we agree and we win?

 

yeah, that sounds good. or we could even have an orgy...

 

now people are going to be really freaked out when they start reading this. first page we're calling each other cunts and now it's gone to this.... thats just what coldplay does to the libido.

i'm sorry but this: http://www.pianoworld.com/fun/vpc/piano_chords.htm

is wrong.

 

C# minor is the same as E major.

it just depends on the mood of the song.

 

c# minor doesn't have an A natural nor a B natural. e major does.

e major doesn't have a b flat. c# minor does.

two totally different scales.

piano world is most definitely correct.

 

i just vomited in my mouth.

someone lock this wasteful thread.

 

or we could even have an orgy...

 

i'm down.. haha

It's why I didn't want to get to learning the song right away. I love the mystery of music, and sometimes solving it is a real bummer. (that's a musical term for buzzkill,lol)

 

Do we need to change the name of this thread to 'The Viole(n)t Hill Musicians Hook-Up Thread'?:lol:

 

or 'Mistakes in music theory'

c# minor doesn't have an A natural nor a B natural.

e major does.

two totally different scales.

piano world is most definitely correct.

 

i just vomited in my mouth.

someone lock this wasteful thread.

 

 

seriously... the c# minor scale of COURSE has A & B naturals. where are you learning this stuff from?

 

EDIT: didnt you ever hear of the relative minor scale? C# minor is E major's relative minor, meaning they have the same notes in their scales.

haha

 

maybe americans get taught different theory...

i'm from wisconsin.

and a C# minor scale definitely DOES have A natural and B natural in it here.

where are the other C# minor scale people from?

 

i can throw out websites that back me up too... http://musiced.about.com/od/lessonsandtips/qt/minosclaes.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_scale

 

 

 

ignore the wikipedia bit!

maybe americans get taught different theory...

i'm from wisconsin.

and a C# minor scale definitely DOES have A natural and B natural in it here.

where are the other C# minor scale people from?

 

i can throw out websites that back me up too... http://musiced.about.com/od/lessonsandtips/qt/minosclaes.htm

 

nahh, everyone's taught the same universal theory. especially something so generally accepted, like major and minor scales. this isnt some weird eastern scale we're talking about here.

 

are you sure you're not getting it mixed up with the C# major scale? cause if you dont believe us... anyone can google C# minor scale and see for themselves....

maybe americans get taught different theory...

i'm from wisconsin.

and a C# minor scale definitely DOES have A natural and B natural in it here.

where are the other C# minor scale people from?

 

i can throw out websites that back me up too... http://musiced.about.com/od/lessonsandtips/qt/minosclaes.htm

 

even on that site it says about raising the 6th and 7th notes!

 

me win.

no

 

don't lock this.

i want to understand how something as static and factual as a key signature can cause so much confusion.

 

seriously... how can they be different?

i'm amazed at that piano world website.

i was just assuming all you people who thought a C# minor scale had C natural were just crazy... but now a website backs it up?

yeah

 

"even on that site it says about raising the 6th and 7th notes!"

 

yes it does say that.

when it's referring to a HARMONIC MINOR.

we were never debating a HARMONIC MINOR.

 

if something is a harmonic minor... you state it.

it's never assumed to be something other than a NATURAL minor unless it's stated.

even on that site it says about raising the 6th and 7th notes!

 

me win.

 

is anyone going to argue that C# minor scale isn't the relative minor of E major? we can all agree on that right? ok. so everyone should know that E major is:

 

E F# G# A B C# D#

 

Now, C# minor is the exact same scale. NO QUESTIONS. Thus A and B natural are both there. This is something I've known for years and every musician i've played with who knows theory was taught the same as well.

don't lock this.

i want to understand how something as static and factual as a key signature can cause so much confusion.

 

seriously... how can they be different?

i'm amazed at that piano world website.

i was just assuming all you people who thought a C# minor scale had C natural were just crazy... but now a website backs it up?

 

 

lol this makes me laugh. yeah seriously, if people are seriously thinking C natural is in C# minor than you should really start back from square one and make sure you're using a better website to learn from. i've learned a lot of the internet but never that.

yeah

 

yeah greta...

i think dr. boss is just trying to argue that he was ALWAYS talking about a harmonic minor throughout the discussion.

 

it's a little weird though since we already had the harmonic/natural debate and he still continued on with the C natural in a C# minor key.

ya, but the tonal centre isn't E.

 

So it's either C#minor NATURAL

 

Or Emajor Aeolian.

 

In the classical training I've had, a minor key is always signalled by the raised minor seventh, otherwise it is considered a Major mode. (hence my presumption we were talking melodic/harmonic)