I've only read the start post, don't care about the other pages, so my reaction is on the start post and poster.

 

First of all, so you are musician..

Well not that 'professional' because of calling Coldplay Pop music.

The fact is that they are not pop.

Even X&Y(Alot people say that album is pop) is different than pop.

 

Also to trash your topic and Joe Salami(Can't remember his stupid name), If Coldplay used it from his song, they are ding it completely legal.

Do you know why? Because there is one rule in music industry.

The fact is that you are not legal when you use more then 10 seconds of a song.

 

The Melody and Harmony have to be identical.

Even the key is important.

 

And now the funny part.

It are less then 8 notes that are the same. Even diffent key, but the melody.

 

I'm sure there are more then hundred other songs with the same melody, even with more notes and closer to the Joe Salami song.

 

Why does he sues Coldplay?

Exactly because theire song became a hit and the others didn't.

 

Is that Joe Salami guy too lazy to promote his songs without using bands that made it better and does their best for it?

 

Well, that's how music goes.. if you can't accept these things.. search another hobby.

You know there are already songs that can use things you wrote.

 

Also there is a Dutch song, released around the same time as Parachutes.

And the chords, melody even the key fits perfectly with trouble.. thats almost 10 years ago(!) never sued each-other..

 

And I don't know where you've been in the past years, but Coldplay are known as the band with the unique songs, easy but very rare.

So not a band that is lazy by using songs from another bands.

 

 

This is how I see it.

And yes I'm a musician, and also with huge music theory knowledge..

Exactly!:rolleyes:;)

I've only read the start post, don't care about the other pages, so my reaction is on the start post and poster.

 

First of all, so you are musician..

Well not that 'professional' because of calling Coldplay Pop music.

The fact is that they are not pop.

Even X&Y(Alot people say that album is pop) is different than pop.

 

Also to trash your topic and Joe Salami(Can't remember his stupid name), If Coldplay used it from his song, they are ding it completely legal.

Do you know why? Because there is one rule in music industry.

The fact is that you are not legal when you use more then 10 seconds of a song.

 

The Melody and Harmony have to be identical.

Even the key is important.

 

And now the funny part.

It are less then 8 notes that are the same. Even diffent key, but the melody.

 

I'm sure there are more then hundred other songs with the same melody, even with more notes and closer to the Joe Salami song.

 

Why does he sues Coldplay?

Exactly because theire song became a hit and the others didn't.

 

Is that Joe Salami guy too lazy to promote his songs without using bands that made it better and does their best for it?

 

Well, that's how music goes.. if you can't accept these things.. search another hobby.

You know there are already songs that can use things you wrote.

 

Also there is a Dutch song, released around the same time as Parachutes.

And the chords, melody even the key fits perfectly with trouble.. thats almost 10 years ago(!) never sued each-other..

 

And I don't know where you've been in the past years, but Coldplay are known as the band with the unique songs, easy but very rare.

So not a band that is lazy by using songs from another bands.

 

 

This is how I see it.

And yes I'm a musician, and also with huge music theory knowledge..

 

Come on. I don't mind you having an argument, but just be fair.

 

1. Can you really read Coldplagiarism's posts and think he does not know what he is talking about MUSICALLY? Whether you agree with him or not, this guy is not an amatuer musician.

 

2. Is pop not a fair category for Coldplay? No, they are not Miley Cyrus or the Jonas Brothers...but they are a pop act. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

 

3. You don't know enough about Joe Satriani if you think he is in this for name recogniation or because he is too lazy to promote his own songs. Get in the game.

 

4. This case is complex. There is no way, based on what you have suggested here, that you have any clue whether it is legal or not. I am not suggesting that I know, but I could blow your argument out of the water in 2 seconds.

 

Just have an open mind.

Coldplay are Indie rock, alt-rock, synth-rock..

Joe's probably just wanting the spotlight again, like any older musician..

Let Joe Satriani's music speak for itself - if he's so good, then he ought to be able to outsell Coldplay with his stuff, and then there would be no reason to sue!

How many lawsuits go after smaller musical acts?

Coldplay are Indie rock, alt-rock, synth-rock..

Joe's probably just wanting the spotlight again, like any older musician..

Let Joe Satriani's music speak for itself - if he's so good, then he ought to be able to outsell Coldplay with his stuff, and then there would be no reason to sue!

How many lawsuits go after smaller musical acts?

 

1. You're splitting hairs. Coldplay falls under the general category POP/ROCK.

 

2. Not everyone cares about outselling other artists. If that is your argument, the Backstreet Boys are a better band than Coldplay. To further illustrate, look at bands like Pearl Jam and Radiohead. They could have easily sold more albums if they wanted. It is not a primary, motivating factor for every artist.

1. You're splitting hairs. Coldplay falls under the general category POP/ROCK.

 

2. Not everyone cares about outselling other artists. If that is your argument, the Backstreet Boys are a better band than Coldplay. To further illustrate, look at bands like Pearl Jam and Radiohead. They could have easily sold more albums if they wanted. It is not a primary, motivating factor for every artist.

 

How could they have sold more albums if they wanted?:confused:

How could they have sold more albums if they wanted?:confused:

 

 

Simple. Made the sound more accessible and mainstream like they did in their early albums. It was a choice to move away from that.

or actually, to be more fair, kept up with trends as they changed.

Simple. Made the sound more accessible and mainstream like they did in their early albums. It was a choice to move away from that.

 

Oh ok for a second their i didnt understand.:lol:

Oh ok for a second their i didnt understand.:lol:

 

No problem, that was a FAIR question.

splitting atoms, not hairs..

 

1. You're splitting hairs. Coldplay falls under the general category POP/ROCK.

:PThey are Indie!! That's just someone's poor categorization method..:smug:

 

2. Not everyone cares about outselling other artists.

True, but most artists want the spotlight - and they can be competitive (it drives them). When they miss the spotlight, they make songs like Tom Petty's Quit Jamming Me..

If that is your argument, the Backstreet Boys are a better band than Coldplay. :laugh3: Well, I haven't listened to the Backstreet Boys - that could be true!:P Another boy band!

To further illustrate, look at bands like Pearl Jam and Radiohead. They could have easily sold more albums if they wanted.

:laugh3:Now those really are niche bands! Deep Purple was mainstream heavy rock.:cool: Pearl Jam and Radiohead are flavors that a select audience likes; Coldplay plays to a wider audience, and Deep Purple was that way too. Actually I haven't heard Joe Satraini's latest works, so I'm just being nuts here..;)

It is not a primary, motivating factor for every artist.

True, but for some, but for some.. It's a possibility. I recall Peter Best's frustration with the Beatles, as they never really gave him credit.. It could be either way, I'm just not sure. But for so small a fragment, and from so limited a number of chords in succession, I'm thinking this is a wee bit of a stretch..;)

True, but for some, but for some.. It's a possibility. I recall Peter Best's frustration with the Beatles, as they never really gave him credit.. It could be either way, I'm just not sure. But for so small a fragment, and from so limited a number of chords in succession, I'm thinking this is a wee bit of a stretch..;)

 

ABSOLUTELY. Perhaps Satriani does want the spotlight. But I find it very, very, very unlikely in this case, and I certainly would not claim it as a fact.

 

Your other stuff was in good humor, I must admit :)

1. Can you really read Coldplagiarism's posts and think he does not know what he is talking about MUSICALLY? Whether you agree with him or not, this guy is not an amatuer musician.

Not directed at me, but yes, he seems to be the very definition of a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

 

2. Is pop not a fair category for Coldplay? No, they are not Miley Cyrus or the Jonas Brothers...but they are a pop act. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

They're an alternative rock band who caused the pop landscape to shift by becoming popular. But pop came to them, they didn't go to it.

 

3. You don't know enough about Joe Satriani if you think he is in this for name recogniation or because he is too lazy to promote his own songs. Get in the game.

Heehee... Salami. :lol:

 

Buddy doesn't know enough about popular music to understand when we were talking about Oasis. Why should we bother to research the other way.

 

4. This case is complex. There is no way, based on what you have suggested here, that you have any clue whether it is legal or not. I am not suggesting that I know, but I could blow your argument out of the water in 2 seconds.

He had some good points.

Not directed at me, but yes, he seems to be the very definition of a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

 

They're an alternative rock band who caused the pop landscape to shift by becoming popular. But pop came to them, they didn't go to it.

 

Heehee... Salami. :lol:

 

Buddy doesn't know enough about popular music to understand when we were talking about Oasis. Why should we bother to research the other way.

 

He had some good points.

 

OY! I at least know you're level headed, so I will not attempt to debate any of these points. You should know by now, since you have corrected me at least 3X, that this guttersniping drives me nuts.

^Me too. Forgive me- I'm weak, buddy's annoying me, and people sucking up to him makes it worse. :bomb: :mad: :hat2:

Come on. I don't mind you having an argument, but just be fair.

 

1. Can you really read Coldplagiarism's posts and think he does not know what he is talking about MUSICALLY? Whether you agree with him or not, this guy is not an amatuer musician.

 

2. Is pop not a fair category for Coldplay? No, they are not Miley Cyrus or the Jonas Brothers...but they are a pop act. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

 

3. You don't know enough about Joe Satriani if you think he is in this for name recogniation or because he is too lazy to promote his own songs. Get in the game.

 

4. This case is complex. There is no way, based on what you have suggested here, that you have any clue whether it is legal or not. I am not suggesting that I know, but I could blow your argument out of the water in 2 seconds.

 

Just have an open mind.

 

1. In fact, if you already don't know what Coldplay is.. how do you know music theory? That's a realy weird combination..

 

2. No pop is realy different, rock, indie-rock that sounds alot better then pop..

 

3. I don't have to know stuff about Salami, I know how it goes and this is the wrong way.

 

4. Did you read my post? Probably not.

But pop came to them, they didn't go to it..

 

??

 

I'd say they went pop after rush of blood. First two records were more alt-rock, and X&Y/VLV = pop. although they did try to flirt with a bit of experimentation in VLV.. that song vida la vida is pure pop perfection

1. In fact, if you already don't know what Coldplay is.. how do you know music theory? That's a realy weird combination..

 

2. No pop is realy different, rock, indie-rock that sounds alot better then pop..

 

3. I don't have to know stuff about Salami, I know how it goes and this is the wrong way.

 

4. Did you read my post? Probably not.

 

I can't reply to you all day, but you are ill informed.

??

 

I'd say they went pop after rush of blood. First two records were more alt-rock, and X&Y/VLV = pop. although they did try to flirt with a bit of experimentation in VLV.. that song vida la vida is pure pop perfection

 

POP is a fair OVERARCHING category for Coldplay. When I go into a record store, Coldplay is always going to be categorized as POP/ROCK. It is especially fair in the context of Coldplagiarism's comments, as he was comparing classical compositions to pop (or popular) music. If you start sub-dividing into genres, which I completely get, it becomes a case of MORE like "X" or LESS like "Y". It's just whether you are examining this at a MICRO (sub-genres) or MACRO level.

When i saw Coldplay in 2005 , Chris said during the concert that they play soft rock.

 

there is to many labels these days, why don't we just say they rock

Again......THERE ARE NOT A POP BAND!!....IMO X&Y sounds nothing like pop......VLV i think is a mixture.....yes they do have some pop songs on their but just because they do a couple of pop songs DOESNT mean they are a pop band...

According to the omniscient iTunes, they're "Alternative" :P

According to the omniscient iTunes, they're "Alternative" :P

 

iTunes can never make up their mind. Every other R.E.M. album alternates between "alternative" and "rock". And for U2, The Unforgettable Fire is alternative, but Joshua Tree is rock. Look, I think labels are silly, especially with bands that have broad influences. If you want to divide a room, the easiest way to do it is throw an artist out there and have a debate over which SPECIFIC genre they fall into.

Dude, calm down, I'm kidding! I don't give a damn what iTunes says, nor what genre Coldplay is... Do you think I actually view iTunes as a source for absolute truths? :lol:

Dude, calm down, I'm kidding! I don't give a damn what iTunes says, nor what genre Coldplay is... Do you think I actually view iTunes as a source for absolute truths? :lol:

 

I don't think I made a statement about you. I was just building upon what you said about itunes and the fact that labels are confusing. period.