NCDC now has December 2008 in the database. Annual North American temperature since 1998 (11 years of data) is falling over the period at a rate of 0.78(F)/decade or 7.8(F)per century. At this rate we will be in an ice age within 5 decades. If you can get the graphic, the heavy black line is the average over the century 1901 to 2000.

 

This data set is a collection of this continent only, but it shows the same cooling trend that other global data sets have shown. Since 1998 the Earth is cooling and it happens to coincide with a similar period of unusually low solar activity.

 

Of course we realize that to many people, including many radicalized professors, global warming alarmism is almost like a religion. No data set or series of data sets is going to put a dent in those people. Fortunately there are still plenty of people who are not zealots who can appreciate the information. Thanks to the famed WUWT Blog for the heads up.

 

http://iusbvision.wordpress.com/2009/01/10/national-climatic-data-center-cooling-in-last-10-years/

Al Gore's efforts are just starting to work! More money! Quickly!

From the National Climatic Data Center:

 

Global surface temperatures have increased about 0.74°C (plus or minus 0.18°C) since the late-19th century, and the linear trend for the past 50 years of 0.13°C (plus or minus 0.03°C) per decade is nearly twice that for the past 100 years. The warming has not been globally uniform. Some areas (including parts of the southeastern U.S. and parts of the North Atlantic) have, in fact, cooled slightly over the last century. The recent warmth has been greatest over North America and Eurasia between 40 and 70°N. Lastly, seven of the eight warmest years on record have occurred since 2001 and the 10 warmest years have all occurred since 1995.

The overall trend is cooling, I'm actually hearing global warmest saying were causing a Ice Age.

 

At this rate we will be in an ice age within 5 decades.

No Nick, it's not. Take a closer look at the National Climatic Data Center website. Overall, global temperature has risen over the last 150 years. There are some cool spots on the continent but over all there has been a net increase in global temperature. The article that you posted looks at 10 years of data. Hardly conclusive of a cooling trend. Look at some of the comments on the link that you provided as well. Many people there have good stuff to say about the data.

If that was true there wouldn't be a couple of giant icebreakers up at the North Pole right now trying to map the sea floor before the rest of the ice melts and opens up the Northwest Passage completely. Don't believe something is changing? Talk to the Inuit- they're staring at it.

 

Ten years in North America is not in any way a large enough data set to conclude much of anything. (I believe the technical term is bad science) "Global warming" is to a large extent the changing of patterns that give regions their characteristics. Most places in the world don't achieve their average temperatures through latitude, but through ocean and air currents and geography.

 

England is much further North than Nova Scotia, but the weather is much more mild because of the Gulf stream. That stream heads up North past the British Isles then comes down again making Atlantic Canada much colder than it ought to be. If that stops (and it's starting to stall last I heard) then Europe will probably see a mini ice age. Or maybe another factor could change the outcome again.

 

I actually live at the same latitude as southern France and Mongolia. The three places couldn't be more different. Because they have very different factors affecting them. Gradual warming will not be even and will affect all of them in very different ways. Probably the biggest changes we will see will have more to do with changes in rainfall like Australia is seeing. It's called 'climate change' for a reason, and warming is only one symptom of it. As I understand it (and maybe I'm entirely wrong on this) isn't the warming actually referring to the upper atmosphere?

 

But yeah, the ice is melting. Sounds like it's already passed it's tipping point: http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009/09/23/tech-environment-ice-sheet-melting.html Who knows what the long term consequences are, but they aren't good.

There is no such thing as a "global temperature". You can't just average all the surface temperatures and claim you've created a new data set. That's silliness, and any real scientist (who's not being funded by the taxpayer) will tell you that.

There is no such thing as a "global temperature". You can't just average all the surface temperatures and claim you've created a new data set. That's silliness, and any real scientist (who's not being funded by the taxpayer) will tell you that.

 

Jay, the averages, taking into account temperatures across the globe, are rising. I remember going out West every winter to Colorado. The old-timers out there said it used to be 30 to 40 below zero all the time in the winter. Now it barely gets below zero in the winter. Snow starts falling later every year and melts earlier. There are too many signs that the earth is warming.

Okay, let's say all that is true.

 

So what?

 

You can't make a moral claim in science, you can only make observations. The idea that the Earth should never assume a certain "average temperature" is an almost Christian way of thinking. "God never intended this to happen".

 

I prefer warmer weather. Does that make me a bad person? While this may cause some extinctions, many species thrive in warm weather.

Okay, let's say all that is true.

 

So what?

 

You can't make a moral claim in science, you can only make observations. The idea that the Earth should never assume a certain "average temperature" is an almost Christian way of thinking. "God never intended this to happen".

 

I prefer warmer weather. Does that make me a bad person? While this may cause some extinctions, many species thrive in warm weather.

 

Jay, I do not have a problem with global warming. I am only going off of observations. I am not saying there is one true temperature range that earth is mandated by god to fall into. I am simply suggesting that temperatures are rising. And no, you are not a bad person for liking warm weather. Come on. I just think it's funny how people say the earth is cooling. please.

anyways, it doesn't matter, we'll all be gone soon enough.

We'll see in the next 20 years if the trend keeps going and the earth cools.

 

If that was true there wouldn't be a couple of giant icebreakers up at the North Pole right now trying to map the sea floor before the rest of the ice melts and opens up the Northwest Passage completely. Don't believe something is changing?

 

If I understand it correctly, water warms or cools slower thus if the trend of cooling continues polar ice caps would be a lagging indicator.

Average temperatures changing in one specific region of the world disproves global climate change?

 

Erm, no.

If I understand it correctly, water warms or cools slower thus if the trend of cooling continues polar ice caps would be a lagging indicator.

I don't even know what to say to that. :stunned:

 

I take it you're more of an arts student than a physics major?

I don't even know what to say to that. :stunned:

 

I take it you're more of an arts student than a physics major?

 

I love science, business, economics and politics.

 

There is a lot of data disproving global warming, I don't follow trends or fads but facts.

No Nick, it's not. Take a closer look at the National Climatic Data Center website. Overall, global temperature has risen over the last 150 years. There are some cool spots on the continent but over all there has been a net increase in global temperature. The article that you posted looks at 10 years of data. Hardly conclusive of a cooling trend. Look at some of the comments on the link that you provided as well. Many people there have good stuff to say about the data.

The global temperatures have risen and fallen naturally for thousands of years, if you look at the long term charts, we're coming out of a small ice age and are around where the temperature was a century ago. So I wouldn't be surprised if it we're at or nearing a point where temperatures begin descending again, as they have been doing the past decade.

Again,

 

"Lastly, seven of the eight warmest years on record have occurred since 2001 and the 10 warmest years have all occurred since 1995."