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SO HOW BOUT THAT OBAMA??? ...declaring the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act (defines a marriage as a bond between a man and a woman) unconstitutional... Seems like a bright future for our fellow American LGBTs or not?

How do you think this will go through?

~Discuss~

With that orange whack job as speaker, Obama's screwed.

I think he's doing a pretty good job. I mean considering what is going on in the country especially with the economy I think he's doing the best he can. Though of course I still wish that for healthcare he didn't focus on that as much as trying to get more jobs.

 

On the topic that you brought up I think it's good to make that unconstitutional. I really don't understand what the big deal is that same sex couples cannot get married, or for that matter not be under the same health care plan. What does it really matter if they are the same gender? If those two people love each other and want to get married, then let them do so.

 

I think of course there will be a lot of people that of course think this is a step in the right direction, but I think there also will be a lot of people severely angry about it (probably also citing that it is wrong because it says so in the bible... because of course we all know how accurate the bible is :rolleyes:)

 

Basically I say let people do what they want to do and marry who they want to. Why destroy the happiness they have with someone else?

I don't think gay people should be allowed to marry in a religious sense, since the current set up highlights religions fault and disgusting belief systems. These beliefs should not 'evolve' or change since it is supposed to be God's word. I would question any gay persons sanity if they wanted to marry whilst being a part of one of the major religions, considering how they are viewed within them, practising or non-practising.

 

Marriage on a level not in line with organised religion seems like a much more sensible route to go down, both in terms of straight and gay people.

 

As for the Defence Of Marriage Act, I know little about it so can't comment directly on it.

With that orange whack job as speaker, Obama's screwed.

 

Boehner seriously needs to stop crying. It's very embarrassing, and also he's so self-absorbed.

 

I don't think gay people should be allowed to marry in a religious sense, since the current set up highlights religions fault and disgusting belief systems. These beliefs should not 'evolve' or change since it is supposed to be God's word. I would question any gay persons sanity if they wanted to marry whilst being a part of one of the major religions, considering how they are viewed within them, practising or non-practising.

 

Marriage on a level not in line with organised religion seems like a much more sensible route to go down, both in terms of straight and gay people.

 

As for the Defence Of Marriage Act, I know little about it so can't comment directly on it.

 

I would have to agree with you. It's the religious part of the whole thing towards same sex marriage (as well as womens rights/abortion), that is full of such controversy because people are too religious to only follow what's said in scripture. Funny because opinions on things said by the bible have changed over the years so why would God make a mistake in the first place, unless of course it's all just a bunch of BS that man made to control people... but then again I don't want to digress to religion.

 

What doesn't make sense to me is that same sex couples getting married really doesn't affect anyone, so why should they make it such a big deal to prevent people from doing so. I mean like for example do I really care who any one of my family members marries? not at all... so long as they're happy that's all that matters

I don't think gay people should be allowed to marry in a religious sense, since the current set up highlights religions fault and disgusting belief systems. These beliefs should not 'evolve' or change since it is supposed to be God's word. I would question any gay persons sanity if they wanted to marry whilst being a part of one of the major religions, considering how they are viewed within them, practising or non-practising.

 

Marriage on a level not in line with organised religion seems like a much more sensible route to go down, both in terms of straight and gay people.

 

As for the Defence Of Marriage Act, I know little about it so can't comment directly on it.

 

If I ever got married I would kind of want a Church Wedding and a big White Dress, not that I believe in any organized Religion but because I would want a perfect day that was a dream from when I was very young, in reality though I doubt I will ever get married.

I don't get people who slag off religion 24/7 yet are perfectly fine using a church on their wedding day to create the fairytale/romantic dream. Not directed at anyone on here don't worry, it's just a couple of people I know of.

I don't slag off Religion 24/7 but I certainly don't agree with alot of its views personally, I had a very normal fairytale wedding pictured in my head from when I was a little girl which if I ever got married I would like to do, I also said me ever getting married is highly unlikely.

I don't slag off Religion 24/7 but I certainly don't agree with alot of its views personally, I had a very normal fairytale wedding pictured in my head from when I was a little girl which if I ever got married I would like to do, I also said me ever getting married is highly unlikely.

 

Don't worry it wasn't directed at you. You may not agree with aspects of religion like so many people but I'm sure you're not one of those people who spouts anti religion and seem to thrive on it.

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I think he's doing a pretty good job. I mean considering what is going on in the country especially with the economy I think he's doing the best he can. Though of course I still wish that for healthcare he didn't focus on that as much as trying to get more jobs.

 

THIS.

 

I don't mean to get off-topic here, but this morning, at the beginning of conducting class, my professor (who also happens to be my band director) informed us all of how severe these job losses are by reading us a couple of articles. One of the articles talked about the problems in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. It's scary.

 

I'm a music education major. For us, it's particularly bad. Why? We're part of the fine arts, and you know as well as I do that school districts aren't nearly as concerned with the "extracurricular" stuff as they are test scores. I'm sincerely afraid that I won't be able to find a job upon graduation. Teachers everywhere are getting laid off because schools are trying to cut back on their budget. It's not pretty.

 

Again, I'm sorry to go off-topic. It's just that given where I'm at right now, that issue is extremely important to me.

I don't get people who slag off religion 24/7 yet are perfectly fine using a church on their wedding day to create the fairytale/romantic dream. Not directed at anyone on here don't worry, it's just a couple of people I know of.

 

Yes - that's hypocrisy at its very worst.:dozey:

 

Good on Obama though for trying to do something.

THIS.

 

I don't mean to get off-topic here, but this morning, at the beginning of conducting class, my professor (who also happens to be my band director) informed us all of how severe these job losses are by reading us a couple of articles. One of the articles talked about the problems in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. It's scary.

 

I'm a music education major. For us, it's particularly bad. Why? We're part of the fine arts, and you know as well as I do that school districts aren't nearly as concerned with the "extracurricular" stuff as they are test scores. I'm sincerely afraid that I won't be able to find a job upon graduation. Teachers everywhere are getting laid off because schools are trying to cut back on their budget. It's not pretty.

 

Again, I'm sorry to go off-topic. It's just that given where I'm at right now, that issue is extremely important to me.

Yeah... I think it's terrible that schools always cut programs from the arts. It's not right.

No, especially since studies prove that children involved in the fine arts do better in school.

 

My professor mentioned during that reading session how a lot of districts are actually counting test scores, not as the main component, but the only component on how successful a teacher is. See, even in the case that there is a fine arts program in your school, if your ensemble doesn't perform up to standard during UIL contest or whatever, you're done. It's ridiculous.

I don't get people who slag off religion 24/7 yet are perfectly fine using a church on their wedding day to create the fairytale/romantic dream. Not directed at anyone on here don't worry, it's just a couple of people I know of.

Make that three. (Although I don't "slag off religion 24/7".) Oh, and it was the one my husband attended when he was a kid.

I don't get people who slag off religion 24/7 yet are perfectly fine using a church on their wedding day to create the fairytale/romantic dream. Not directed at anyone on here don't worry, it's just a couple of people I know of.

 

THIS

there are too many of these people around unfortunaly...as hypocritical as religion...worst are those who choose "My Way" and "Don't cry for me Argentina" for the ceremony...

I always felt that marriage is sort of a part of culture as well.

Don't worry it wasn't directed at you. You may not agree with aspects of religion like so many people but I'm sure you're not one of those people who spouts anti religion and seem to thrive on it.

 

I don't agree with most of it to tell the truth, however I think people are entitled to hold thier own beliefs as long as it doesn't effect basic morality and how they treat other people I have no problem with people being part of a particular Religion.

worst are those who choose "My Way" and "Don't cry for me Argentina" for the ceremony...

 

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I don't agree with most of it to tell the truth, however I think people are entitled to hold thier own beliefs as long as it doesn't effect basic morality and how they treat other people I have no problem with people being part of a particular Religion.

 

but the funny thing about that is that their beliefs make it seem that they are moral because of their religion, which is totally ridiculous. I'm not religious but I'd consider myself a very moral person. It's not because of religion but because of how my parents raised me.

 

but I do agree. You can believe in whatever you want, I don't care. But when it turns to violence and forcing beliefs on people and also being completely ignorant to facts and science (aka. evolution), then that's when I have a problem.

but the funny thing about that is that their beliefs make it seem that they are moral because of their religion, which is totally ridiculous. I'm not religious but I'd consider myself a very moral person. It's not because of religion but because of how my parents raised me.

 

but I do agree. You can believe in whatever you want, I don't care. But when it turns to violence and forcing beliefs on people and also being completely ignorant to facts and science (aka. evolution), then that's when I have a problem.

 

I know, it's horrible to disguise hateful views behind Religion, I always try and treat people how I would like to be treated myself, true I don't always suceed but hating someone due to thier race,sexual orientation etc then hiding behind Religion to do so is just pathetic.

It's extremely pathetic. They hate on people just because they are different and don't follow their religion, yet they believe in things like talking snakes, and walking on water, and a world that's 6,000 years old.

 

It's this form of ignorance to the world and fellow people that I can't stand the most.

 

 

edit: but what is the most hypocritical about it all is that lets say they are right that god created everyone. then why would he create people to be hated and murdered and raped? From a logical standpoint so much just makes no sense.

I remember once writing a note on Facebook going in-depth into all the discrepancies present in Genesis, and the only answer I got was, "You're using logic to explain something that's not logical." LOL

 

On the topic about religious zealots: I had two of my closest friends have a literal "come to Jesus" meeting with me. I got so mand that they would talk to me about that as opposed to accepting me for who I am that I stormed out of the room and walked around campus for a good 45 minutes. After this happened, I found another close friend of mine (not involved), and he sat there and listened to me for an hour about all that I had on my mind as far as religion went. He did what I hoped my other friends would do and listen to me. Because he invited me, and because I was questioning myself at that point, I went to his church with him.

 

During the sermon there, I got the best, yet worst explanation of why God loved Abel's offerings so much more than Cain's. The person preaching that night (I don't remember his name.) said that it was because Cain had the wrong attitude as far as giving his best to God.

 

It was the best explanation because it was an explanation that actually made sense.

 

However, it was the worst explanation because nowhere in that book does it say that Cain was a lazy bum who didn't give his best to God. The guy totally made it up.

 

Ever since then, I've put a lot of thought into where my views as far as religion go. I have a lot of questions, most of which remain unanswered. It's clear, however, that religious texts are severely flawed.

 

I really don't know where I was going with this. I just thought I'd share because this conversation reminded me of this.

^haha that's funny (on "You're using logic to explain something that not's logical)

 

That's what I don't like about religious people is that they push their beliefs on others thinking that they're right. Why not just allow people to believe what they want to believe and don't persecute them for it?

See, that's what this friend of mine was saying. While he is a Christian himself, he doesn't push it upon other people. He told me I didn't have to go with him if I didn't want to, but I did. Why can't more people be like that? Honestly.