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Yeah. This could go on all day.

:dozey:

Well, I want neither. The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth group that contributed to torpedoing John Kerry's presidential ambitions in 2004 are set to derail John McCain's hopes of becoming the Republican nominee by forcing the GOP to jettison the Senator and instigating a revolution within the party to return it to its conservative roots. It was McCain himself that leapt to Kerry's defense during the Swift Boat controversy four years ago and now the individuals that started the offensive against Kerry are set to turn on McCain.

Exactly. The establishment backed runners (Clinton, Obama, McCain) will not talk about or address the real issues. They never bring up the major issue of the unconstitutional private Federal Reserve and their secret actions. They never talk about who is truely gaining money from the wars the west is waging. They never talk about the planned/signed legislation regarding the NAU... It's a staged punch and judy show. All the "frontrunners" want the power. While any candidate who wants to keep the government out of the lives of people and limit their size is the victim of smear campaigns and false charges in the media... Clinton will be the next president of the US - this I am 95% certain. And keep in mind - the Clintons and the Bush's are very close friends - the public 'fighting' about gays, terrorism (war on terror/muslims), abortion etc. is all fun and games. It's a trick - smoke and mirrors - so you don't get to see the way in which liberties are being snatched from you - they wrap everything up in false patriotism. Be warned "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." - Samuel Johnson. For your sake - Ron Paul 2008 - he might not win but the message behind his campaign is growing so fast that it can not be stopped.

A former Vietnam veteran with top secret clearance says he has personally spoken to numerous POW's who dispute John McCain's claim that he refused to provide information after he was captured and tortured in Hanoi, saying that in fact McCain's code-name was "Songbird" because of his willingness to tell all to avoid torture. Jack McLamb served nine years in secret operations in Cambodia and other nations before going on to become one of the most highly decorated police officer's in Phoenix history, winning police officer of the year twice before taking a role as a hostage negotiator for the FBI. "I know a lot of Vietnam veterans and a few POW's and all the POW's that I've talked to over the years say that John McCain is a lying skunk," "He never was tortured - they were there in the camp with him and then when he came in....he immediately started spilling his guts about everything because he didn't want to get tortured," said McLamb, contradicting the official story that McCain only offered his name, rank, serial number, and date of birth. "The Vietnamese Communists called him the Songbird, that's his code name, Songbird McCain, because he just came into the camp singing and telling them everything they wanted to know," said McLamb. McLamb said the POW's told him that McCain had sustained two broken arms and a leg injury from not pulling his arms in when he bailed out of his A-4 Skyhawk that was shot down over the Truc Bach Lake in Hanoi. The POW's said that McCain made 32 propaganda videos for the communist North Vietnamese in which he denounced America for what they were doing in Vietnam. "They have these sealed now, our government has these sealed, we can't get to it, they have it classified," said McLamb, adding that in truth "the POW's hate John McCain." It is commonly accepted that McCain was treated better than other POW's and afforded medical care immediately after the North Vietnamese discovered that his father was a top admiral. Several Vietnam veterans groups do solely exist to expose McCain's abandonment of veteran's interests as well as his lies about being tortured, including Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain and U.S. Veteran Dispatch. Doubts over McCain's alleged war hero status and his support to curtail efforts to look for missing POW's contributed to torpedoing his presidential campaign in 2000 and those same questions will undoubtedly surface again should the Senator win the Republican nomination.

Hey...I'd love as much information on that as possible.

His departing speech was just pure neo-con propaganda. Absolutely sick. The war on terror....what a fucking joke. His supporters must be air heads. I never want to see his face or hear his shit again! It's maddening!!!

Romney Out. Good.

What?!?! That's exactly why I'm concerned.

Yes. I praying for some sort of 3rd party run for Paul - it's probable in some capacity. It's all about his message for me and that may sound cheesey but it's 100% true. Current/future Ron Paul supporters are part of something that WILL grow in a new revolution.....and there's no getting away from that. It's a great thing to be part of - even if I am over the other side of the world - his messge has spread far and wide and will never stop to grow. So - beware of the terrible things to come.....it's sad but true. There are many people working against the interests of US citizens and the human race in general and they will do anything to keep us enslaved. This is something that people must begin to understand - and fast. Just reading the books of these people gives you a very interesting insight into their mindset: QUOTE "Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." -David Rockefeller They will not stop.

Funny how people like insane McCain go around saying how they know what the troops want (to complete their mission and "win" - whatever that means)....But then you see that the only Republican candidate that didn't vote for the war, who will end the war and who bring the troops home, RON PAUL, gets more money from troops and military folk...... (knew this was true but it's now official) Q4 FEC Reports: Ron Paul Receives More 'Military' Donations Than All Other Republicans Combined Centre Daily Monday February 4, 2008 ARLINGTON, Va. — According to newly released FEC reports, Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has received more military donations than the other three remaining Republican candidates combined. "The latest numbers make it clear: the troops support Ron Paul," said Ron Paul campaign chairman Kent Snyder. "Dr. Paul has worked his entire career working for veterans, and has many awards and endorsements due to his dedication to their cause." A search of the FEC database by employer reveals that Dr. Paul has received 1160 donations from military donors, nearly triple that of John McCain, and more than McCain, Mitt Romney, and Mike Huckabee combined. Dr. Paul's total military donations of $249 thousand are almost as much as the $260 thousand of combined donations received by the other five remaining candidates. Congressman Paul is no stranger to military support. Former president Ronald Reagan once said, "Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country!" According to the FEC reports, these are the total number and amount of military donations for each of the presidential candidates*: Ron Paul: 1160 $249k John McCain: 438 $83k Mike Huckabee: 126 $37k Mitt Romney: 126 $24k Barack Obama: 443 $76k Hillary Clinton: 154 $41k *Methodology: Searched FEC reports for occupation/employer contains: "Army" "Navy" "USN" "USAF" "Air Force" "Marine" "USMC" "Coast Guard" "USCG" then removed duplicates and non-military occupations (i.e. "marine repair").

There's alot more going on than any other candidate will dare talk about.... Every Generation has a Champion. Who is Ron Paul? What does he stand for? If you want to know, then the full-length interview at http://goldsilver.com is the one to watch. A nine term Congressman and Presidential Candidate whose passion is monetary policy, Dr. Paul has served on The House Banking Committee and The Financial Services Committee. If anyone is in a position to know what our country has in store financially, it is this man. In this interview with Michael Maloney of Goldsilver.com Presidential Candidate Paul warns what lies dead ahead for our country if we continue on our present path. Educate yourself..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJbt0fy56Yw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YafCXZ7lvg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3u3D9Mqqy8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNaUMBk4VOY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flYBCE6l2mo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWfYH9qcuno http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbNF3_O5ND4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5Lpflqqbb8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdrSyjZE5dY

Yep. It's quite sad to see people who just don't want to hear the truth.

Anthrax Attacks: explaining how the weaponized strain could only come from the United States BioDefense Program. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdamOzrfZI0 Remember these "attacks" just after 9/11? I do. And ever since then people like me have said/known it was a military planned attack - they actually admitted it was but never truly reported this at the time - plus the mainstream news still to this day will tell you it was some "al-Qaeda" plot.......lairs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKQEQ7qHvgM

I couldn't disagree more... McCain is out of his mind.

Yikes!

Also... Fred Thompson is out of the race. “Today I have withdrawn my candidacy for President of the United States. I hope that my country and my party have benefited from our having made this effort. Jeri and I will always be grateful for the encouragement and friendship of so many wonderful people,” Thompson said in a statement.

From Black Box Voting http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-auth.cgi?file=/1954/71456.html (please go here to see all the evidence!) Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 5:50 am The "seals" are not seals. The "chain of custody" is not a chain of custody. Ballots being transported by the "state police" are actually transported by Butch and Hoppy, who are not employed by the state police. Butch and Hoppy's real names are not really Butch and Hoppy. In New Hampshire, it's all hidden in plain sight. If you are on the home page of Black Box Voting, click "more" to see a brief photo essay for how this all works. by Bev Harris "Butch" and "Hoppy" "Butch" is on the left, "Hoppy" is on the right. This is the van that "Butch" and "Hoppy" drive. These two men pick up all the ballots in New Hampshire from more than 230 locations and bring them to one central location for the recount. They are followed by a single state trooper. "Butch" has a real name: Armand Dubois. He doesn't like to be photographed and in video after video, he ducks out of the shots. He wears a baseball cap and dark glasses. At one point he said "you're taking a picture of me?" Perhaps he's shy, but this is an evaluation of chain of custody, which includes knowing the names and background for people who ride around the state inside a van containing the ballots for the presidential primary election. According to "Butch", the real name for "Hoppy" is Peter, but we do not yet know the last name. "Hoppy" is not camera shy, but we would like to know his real name and background. (Do not post personal or speculative information here. It will be removed. E-mail privately to [email protected] ) "Hoppy" aka "Peter" Ballots are contained in a variety of cardboard boxes, with a few metal boxes thrown in from certain parts of Manchester. The New Hampshire secretary of state's office, which provides the labels for the boxes and provides the ballots for all the towns, claims they leave the decision up to the towns as to how to secure their ballots. When people ask about the security of using old, used cardboard boxes to transport and store the official ballots for the presidential primary election, New Hampshire state officials quickly frame the issue as one of "frugality" and paint the problem over with rustic charm. That doesn't address the problem. The random nature of the boxes enables both accidental and deliberate chain of custody breaches. If the state of New Hampshire can provide the ballots and tell the towns what labels to use, they can tell them what container to store ballots in, or at the very least, publish guidelines for this. Originally, the ballots were to be delivered to the state archive warehouse without notification to the public as to when they would arrive, and without permitting the public to photograph or videotape the ballot intake process. The team assembled by Black Box Voting objected to this and insisted on public access to view the incoming ballot boxes and the intake process. We prevailed, at least temporarily. So they have been bringing the ballots in the front door, taking them through the counting room, out the back door, through the electronically key-coded door into the archive warehouse, down the hall inside the key-carded warehouse, placing them in what they call a "vault" which is actually a small room with a lock that can be opened by a single key. Ballots being transported from "vault" to counting room Other items besides ballots have been kept in the "vault" as well: Items left in ballot vault after transporting ballots, held in "vault" overnight, to the counting room. Two other observations about the state archive warehouse: They use the same bar code identification system for all items. There are no windows and no way to observe what is going on in the warehouse. It has two loading bays in addition to the electronically key-carded door, and the counted ballots are NOT stored in the "vault" but rather, on shelves like all the other documents. Here is a photo of the loading bays: As ballots are being transported back and forth to the warehouse "vault" and being counted in the counting room, boxes are being loaded and unloaded from the loading bay behind the building. Shelves inside warehouse. Ballot boxes photographed while being removed from the "vault": Secretary of state Bill Gardner has several assistant and deputy secretaries of state. The assistant secretary of state in charge of ballots and ballot chain of custody is David Scanlan. Here is David Scanlon (far end) moving a ballot cart with state archive employee Brian Burford. Ballot box closeups: The box below was shipped from the secretary of state TO the town clerk. The pinkish label is a shipping lable and so is the label next to it saying "deliver to": The rebuttal provided by state and archive employees to concerns about the particular slit shown above is that the label on the top is the only thing that counts. I'll post a closeup photo of the top label further down. On the top label are the signatures of the selectmen and information about location and information about the ballots inside. I chose the above photo because it provides a clear image of the SHIP TO labels and also shows the label on the box top that is said to secure the ballot box. I cannot tell from this photo whether the clear tape is on top of that label or underneath it, but let's give the benefit of the doubt and assume the label on top is further secured with clear plastic tape. This is not a chain of custody. There is absolutely no way for any observer to tell whether the clear plastic tape (if it's over the top label) was affixed on the night of the election, by the town clerk after the election, by Butch and Hoppy or a person they met enroute, or in the vault in the middle of the night. It is easy to get distracted with off-topic questions like "are you accusing Butch and Hoppy?" or to take at face value someone's statement that the tape was put there on election night. THAT IS NOT A CHAIN OF CUSTODY. The only item that even remotely resembles a chain of custody is the signed label on the top of the box. Since we have no idea when the other tape was put on, or who affixed it, that tape cannot be considered part of the chain of custody. Furthermore, this taping of the label was not a consistent practice from box to box or town to town. I think we can all understand that the town clerk would slit open the end of the box to retrieve shipped ballots. That explains the slits that ONLY slit the two original shipping labels. That doesn't answer the chain of custody questions revealed by the above slit. The questions raised by the above photo in my mind are: 1) Can someone get their hand into the slit? 2) Was the box slit secured by tape or anything when it came out of the van? 3) Was the box slit secured in any way at the town before pickup? 4) Is there any record of what the box looked like on election night and also, before pickup? In other words, do the signatures even match, is the tape in the same places. 5) If there is no tape securing the label at the top, it would be the ONLY thing securing the box since the sides are slit. If this label is removed, does it leave telltale evidence? 6) Does the slitting of the labels upon receipt of original ballots explain all openings on all ballot boxes? Let's look into that a little further. Here is a ballot box that has been opened for counting. Here is a ballot box that has been counted. It has both the lable affixed at the town with the selectmen's signatures on it, and a new label affixed to show it has been counted. Here is an empty ballot box with the top label attached. The ballots are in the process of being counted. As Anthony Stevens, from the sec. state office, watched I checked to see whether the labels on the top of the boxes leave any mark if you remove and reaffix. They stopped my experiment after I had peeled about two inches. I now call these labels "Post-Its". It is important NOT to allow referring to these labels as "seals" because they are not seals, they are removable labels. When writing about the chain of custody in New Hampshire, we should not refer to the boxes as being "sealed" by these labels, which are in many cases the only line of defense when the end of the box top is sliced. These are labels. Not seals. A "seal" actually "seals" the container. These labels do not seal it. The person with responsibility for making sure the seals are actually seals is Assistant Secretary of State David Scanlan. He chose labels that are not seals. I asked Scanlan if he believed the ballot boxes were secure when slit at the end. He said the boxes are secure because of the label on the top. Here's a hand in the slit. You decide if you are comfortable with this. He was referring to what I call the "PostIt" note. After seeing the condition of the ballot boxes coming out of the vault, I was curious about the condition of the boxes as they were unloaded from the van. The photos below are of ballots unloaded from the van during the early afternoon of Thursday, Jan. 17: Let's have a closer look at that last box coming out of the van: Pat and Manny, the representatives for Kucinich, did not go back to the ballot vault with me. To the best of my knowledge, the only people who went back there were the Hillary Clinton observers. The Kucinich representatives have said they are comfortable with the chain of custody. I did not see them take a single photograph, nor did I see them lodge any protest about this. Republican ballots were also brought in, to the best of my knowledge, WITHOUT notifying the Republican candidate who has paid for a recount. The next series of photos will be from the towns we visited to capture photos of the condition of the ballot boxes before they were loaded into the van. I will do that in a separate thread, perhaps later, and open this thread for discussion now. In New Hampshire, the ballot chain of custody is a bunch of broken cardboard boxes with a post-it on top. Okay, done for now. More later. Scott Perry Forum Participant All, Not sure if you already have this info. I just joined the forum today. Found our friend Armand's contact info.... Go to this link for Armand Dubois contact information. stDepts2=&btnSearchPeople=Search+by+Name God bless One more.... The only Peter in the SoS Records and Archives dept. tDepts2=SECRETARY+OF+STATE&btnSearchPeople=Search+by+Name Bev Harris BBV participant Chris Reid has identified Hoppy. His name is Peter Falzone. He provided a link to a state employee list with Peter "Pete" Falzone and an address for a Hoppy Falzone. He's a stock clerk. Jenny L. Hurley Forum Participant Remember, White Pages has a lot of phone numbers, if you need that. Scott Perry Forum Participant phone numbers are provided on the links above. As well an email address for Hoppy. Jason Reed Forum Participant So. They PAY for state police and get Peter & Armand? It seems some one AT LEAST, has a refund comming. Great work, BEV et al! You're an assett to the people. Your investigation was well worth your effort. (BIG HUG!) John Howard Forum Participant Seals It's not clear from any of the photographs whether or not any of the so-called seals are actually numbered. In Canadian Federal elections, the box seals are individually numbered and must be signed for and accounted for, even if the extras are unused. The numbers of the seals placed on the top AND bottom of the boxes, are recorded on the equivalent of the precinct summary report, and become part of the record of the election. Numbered seals are not removed, but are instead cut, so that if a box needs to be resealed for some legitimate reason (which must also be documented) there is a record of every seal placed on the box, to whom the numbered seal was issued, and by whom the replacement numbered seal was affixed. Keep in mind also, that the consistently sized, numbered seals are made specifically for the consistently sized boxes that are used for the transport of the marked ballots. The supposedly 'frugal' use of inconsistent recycled boxes from heaven-knows-where simply isn't an option. HG;) (Message edited by harmonyguy on January 20, 2008) christine c reid Forum Participant I myself didn't have a lens through which to evaluate chain of custody and election integrity questions, and thought it would be helpful to read the thinking of professionals whose job it is to protect and ensure the integrity of evidence -- criminal investigators. For any novices also interested in such a point of comparison, I've excerpted a few quotes that related to Bev Harris's reports from the field. The quotes are from this link: %201/Physical%20Evidence%20Handbook%20Chapter%202.pdf I cannot identify the original source or author from the actual PDF, but it appears to be M Bessett, Criminal Investigation Theory, Physical Evidence Handbook. BEGIN QUOTES: . . .In any criminal investigation, the validity of information derived from examination of the physical evidence depends entirely upon the care with which the evidence has been protected from contamination [CR Note: In the case of elections, the contamination is of election results, e.g. theft/substitution/ destruction/changing of votes on ballots or theft of ballot stock] In other words, if the evidence has been improperly collected, handled, or stored, its value may be destroyed and no amount of laboratory work [CR note: or election recounting] will be of assistance. Therefore, it is important that items of evidence be collected, handled, and stored in a way that will ensure their integrity. In doing so, the likelihood is increased that useful information can be extracted by examination and that the item will be considered admissible in court proceedings. It is important to properly collect, seal, and identify collected items for two reasons. First, you must be able to prove that the item introduced in court is the same item that was collected at the scene [CR note: or, in this case, whether the ballots being counted are the ones originally voted]. Second, you must ensure that the item is not altered or contaminated between the time it is collected and the time it is examined forensically or entered as evidence. These objectives are best achieved by proper packaging and sealing of evidence. . . . On packaging materials: Packaging materials should protect the item from contamination, tampering, or alteration. To help select an appropriate packaging method, ask two questions: 1. What information is sought from analysis? 2. What could cause the item itself or the sample sought to deteriorate? With respect to the first question, ask yourself, “Why am I collecting this item? What piece of information might it give me that will help prove this case?” Knowing what you’re seeking will help to identify unacceptable packaging methods. Only new, unused materials should be used to package evidence. If the packaging has been previously used, trace evidence can be imparted to the item, negating the value of some examinations. [CR note: in this case, consider nonstandard box types, presence of multiple labels, old tape on the box that may render seal peelable (slick surface), and old box damage as contamination of evidence that no breaking of seals or opening of boxes has occurred from date and time of sealing] Common packaging materials include: paper, cardboard, plastic, metal cans, and glass. [CR Note: Author states that plastic is a surface to which some tamper evident tapes will not adhere. I have to ask if the metal boxes used were tested to ensure that the seals would adhere without undetectable removal. Both the material of the container and the compatibility of the selected tape -- seal and packaging tape -- are relevant and should be tested before using.] D. Tamper-proof tapes. Tamper-proof tapes are destroyed by efforts to remove them. Traditionally, the security feature was created by a combination of a tenacious adhesive and a low tensile strength backing. Some new tapes change color or have words develop when disturbed. The tapes come both in long rolls and in short, individual strips. These tapes are advertised as providing tamper-proof seals on all surfaces. In reality, some brands of tape can be removed from plastic bags without evidence of tampering. [CR note: Important - take a cardboard box with "old" plastic tape over it, tape that seal over the plastic tape, and that seal even if tamper evident MAY peel right off.] Always check for permanence on an identical test object before using a particular tape. If the brand of tape or packaging is changed, retest. [CR comment: it is impossible to carry out this step when using NONidentical test objects -- boxes -- as a FEATURE of the election procedures] [CR note: this is on the subject of taping boxes with e.g. filament tape]: always write your initials over the ends of the tape -- if it is removed, it will be nearly impossible to realign the initials. One advantage of tamper-proof tapes is that they are designed to shred or tear when pulled or stressed. This advantage is a potential disadvantage, however, if a mechanically strong joint is required. Unless somehow reinforced, the tape may spontaneously shred if stressed. When the tape joint may be strained, use another method to secure the joint (tape, staples, etc.) and then use tamper-proof tape across the joint. Some tamper-proof tapes will not adhere to very cold metal surfaces. END OF QUOTE SERIES Bob Fleischer Forum Participant The "seals" did not appear to have any numbering, either preprinted or hand written. My impression is that, the couple of times I hired moving companies to move the contents of my home, they did a far more thorough job of numbering, describing, and documenting the pieces than did the people who packed and moved the ballots in NH. Most if not all of the boxes I saw (on that one day, the first day of the re-count) had a separate label on them with an inventory control number and bar code. Michael DiSalvo Forum Participant Where are we as far as CRIMINAL charges go in NH? I can think of at least 3 circumstances deserving of felonies for various officials involved. Are we going to play softball with these guys, giving them 1000s of dollars in a mock recount that doesn't make a difference or are we going to put these degenerates IN PRISON? christine c reid Forum Participant John Howard - have you seen any electronic documents describing this Canadian protocol? I have gone through some electronic info from Canada that's quite interesting, but haven't yet found this protocol. I did find highly detailed descriptions of putting the cast, spoiled, and uncast ballots etc. in separate sealed envelopes before sealing all into the ballot box. New Hampshire's Voting Procedures Manual is here: http://www.sos.nh.gov/FINAL%20EPM%208-30-2006.pdf NH election procedures protocol for state elections (not federal primaries) specifies putting votes into a container supplied by the NH SOS (quote to follow) - can anyone from NH clarify/enlighten on this point? Also, I would note that the manual is admirably detailed and in many ways an example. I am unable to find any reference to chain of custody as regards centralized recount procedures. Perhaps others can point it out. BEGIN QUOTE SEALING AND CERTIFYING BALLOTS. Ballots must be sealed immediately after the votes at a state election have been tabulated, the results have been announced, and the return prepared. The moderator or his or her designee, in the presence of the selectmen or their designee, shall place the: • Cast ballots; • Canceled ballots; • Uncast ballots; • Ballots from any additional polling places; and • Successfully challenged absentee ballots in containers supplied by the Secretary of State. RSA 659:97. The container shall be sealed in public by the moderator with the sealer provided by the Secretary of State. RSA 659:97. Bev Harris We have a name for the green SUV -- which is actually a green jeep -- that rendevouzed with Butch and Hoppy on Thursday. It was brief - green jeep sitting by road waiting for them, one of them hops out and goes across the road to jeep, says something to driver of green jeep, jeep turns north and Hoppy/Butch turn south for more pickups. Again, do not post personal or speculative information here, but your emails have been quite helpful. The jeep belongs to Carl E. Rowell Jr. of Lyndeborough. He does not appear to be a public official. No personal information allowed to be posted here, remember, nor names of family members. We have name of wife. Catherine Ansbro Forum Participant Thanks Bev for all this great work. Those photos speak volumes. The NH "box" system is a disaster. The "chain of custody" is a joke. I won't bother commenting on the van and SUV drivers. The whole thing reeks. NH staff, volunteers and voters should be hopping mad that a few weak links can so effectively and completely undermine their sincere efforts to run clean elections. Catherine Ansbro Forum Participant They are followed by a single state trooper. Where was the state trooper when you were following the white van and witnessed the rendezvous with the green jeep? Steve Goettler Forum Participant What is it going to profit anyone if all of this evidence is just going to be ignored? Will any of these findings come to bear on the recount? It seems that the SOS and the media are saying that nothing will be found to change the initial count, so who is going to care? How does anything that is found that is to be questionable going to matter? Bev Harris Directly behind the white van. Parked behind them for the rendezvous. Catherine Ansbro Forum Participant Any idea who the lone state trooper was? Bev Harris We'll find out. And it would be fascinating if he was the same guy that followed Dubois and Falzone in 2004 with the Nader recount. to Steve: I dunno. What's your suggestion? Why don't you get into the Citizens Tool Kit and pick a module and get busy. Let us know what you are doing to pull some weight on this. Here's the Citizen's Tool Kit: http://www.blackboxvoting.org/toolkit.html Pick something, take one action, let us know how it goes. Don't wait for others or sit criticizing on the sidelines. Trust your own common sense and get this information to where you think it will do the most good. Bill Bowen Forum Participant It looks like Carl owns his own business in Lyndeborough, although what exactly the company does isn't listed: This is public information. http://www.ecspace.us/Business/%40New+Jersey/Rowell.Carl.Jr.%26.Gail/ODExODc3NQ Timothy A. Balcer Forum Participant That's odd... Google maps puts that address in the middle of nowhere... 8&ll=42.885838,-71.790998&spn=0.003388,0.006888&t=h&z=17&om=0 John Howard Forum Participant Christine, During training for each Federal election, each poll worker is issued a manual specific to their particular role. Unfortunately, none of those manuals appear to be available online, however the combined manual for Deputy Returning Officers and Poll Clerks have detailed, illustrated instructions showing what numbered seals to place where. There is also a Seal Control Sheet on which the numbered seals are listed and their use recorded. Although not from the actual DRO manual, there is an excellent example of how boxes are sealed at the following link: Placement of Seals on Elections Canada Ballot Box This link is from an educational series that Elections Canada provides, called Election off the Shelf which is designed to facilitate University and College Elections. While not identical in every regard to the conduct of a real Federal Election, it IS VERY close, and serves as a good example of how to establish appropriate controls and chain of custody. It also includes a great assortment of sample forms. Election off the Shelf You may find it interesting reading. HG;) Bill Bowen Forum Participant I have found a similar, alternate business address for Mr. Rowell, but it looks like it may be the same as his home address. So I'm not going to post that here. The odd part about the other two listings I found online under the business name list under business category: "None". And under business type, also: "None". Jeremy Trudell Forum Participant Bev, I must say this is the stuff of legend. Fantastic, amazing work! I can't compliment you enough, you make the world a better place! I'm happy to report in Colorado, for now, it appears we're going to all hand counted paper ballots. We have such a great team of people who attacked the issue from so many angles and I personally went along to serve the NCEL to our SOS, the Gov, and the AG. Their employees hated our cameras, it was hysterical and reminded me of bugs scurrying when you lift up a rock. Thank you so much Bev for all that you do. If you're ever in Denver, look me up, drinks are on me! Allegra Dengler Forum Participant I was an observer on Friday. I was surprised that old cardboard boxes were used- used Staples boxes, Quill boxes, boxes apparently reused for more than one election. I'm all for recycling, but this is a careless way to carry valuable paper. Would they transport and store boxes of $100 bills this way? The "seals" on the top were really labels, and much less securely attached than the label on a FedEx box I just got. Because the boxes were reused, there was a lot of tape of different kinds on the box. Forget about the top of the box with the "seal." Anyone could just flip the box over and cut open the bottom, then reseal and no-one would notice. I did not examine the bottoms of the boxes, since I only thought of that after I left. We were not allowed to touch the boxes or the ballots. I have pictures also. Susan Lynn Patton Forum Participant To get an understanding of the scope of the machinery that might be interested in tampering with an election, you, and everyone, might want to read the following article: http://www.newmediajournal.us/guest/k_miller/07212007.htm be sure and click on the last link, which will take you to "The Parks Murder, Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, Free Republic.com" Allegra--I too thought of what you mentioned...what good is a seal on the top when the box can be entered easily from the bottom. I wonder why officials are so adamant that, "Everything's fine," when even the most casual observer can see the possibilities for tampering "in your face"!} Bev Harris Susan, Welcome to Black Box Voting! We are a nonpartisan site, and we usually segregate candidate mentions into the "talk politics" forum and even there, we can't permit anything that can be considered campaigning. Your post contains information that is procedure-based as well, so I couldn't easily move it to that section. It will help if you avoid using candidates names except in the talk politics section, and even there, no pro or con. I unfortunately had to edit out your candidate-based comments. Sorry, and glad you are here. The link above also leads to investigative reporting discussing someone who is now a candidate. Black Box Voting has not vetted out that material and it does not necessarily represent the views of this site. Allegra - very valuable report! Thank you for this. If you get a chance, email your photos or post them here. I have not photographed the bottom of the boxes and you make an important point. Also - I have been thinking about the unsealed banker boxes they have in the vault. What's up with that? Why would you keep ballots in the vault and also other stuff in unsealed boxes? Note that after we got this information they stopped letting citizens see anything in the vault or behind the warehouse doors.

Yep. They did a tour supporting Muse back in 1999

Yes, I that was a very disgusting attack by that piece of trash, Beck. And then you have people calling Ron Paul the "Al-qaeda" candidate.....really low, cheap shots by the corporate media. I watched with great passion as Paul passed McCain in Nevada to come second. Still, he will keep going....his message is too important to stop at any point.

Yep, probably.

This is getting serious... MSNBC Hack Describes Ron Paul As "The Al Qaeda Wing Of The Republican Party" Shuster sniggers and smirks as he labels presidential candidate a terrorist MSNBC correspondent David Shuster today compared Ron Paul to a terrorist on live television commenting that the presidential candidate represents "the Al Qaeda wing of the Republican party". Shuster, a regular on Hardball with Chris Matthews and other MSNBC programs was responding to comments Matthews himself had made during an appearance on the Jay Leno show. Matthews stated that the GOP candidates could be compared to tribal factions in Iraq, commenting that that that Mike Huckabee and Fred Thompson are like "the fanatics, the Shia wing" while Rudy Giuliani and John McCain are "the more moderate Sunnis", with Romney as "the Kurd". To describe Rudy Giuliani as "more moderate" is a joke in itself but that is beside the point. When this exchange was reviewed this morning on MSNBC with Joe Scarborough, Shuster waded in and blurted out "I think it's a great analogy, I mean Ron Paul is the Al Qaeda wing of the Republican party". Shuster then began to smirk and laugh as the two anchors attempted to wriggle their way out of the situation. Watch the video: (warning, the creator of the following youtube video has seen it fit to add in expletives) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEcUTYbuDvY&eurl So there you have it, the mainstream media, in the form of GE owned MSNBC, literally saying Ron Paul is Al Qaeda. Shuster goes even further than Glenn Beck did last November when he declared Ron Paul's supporters to be terrorists. Beck and CNN were flooded with complaints, will this happen to MSNBC? (click here to politely complain and demand a retraction) Despite the fact that Ron Paul is the only GOP candidate who advocates a complete withdrawal from Iraq, despite the fact that Ron Paul is the only candidate advancing a humble foreign policy, despite the fact that Ron Paul is the only candidate to denounce the concept of preemptive war, he is somehow compared to terrorists. At the core of Ron Paul's message lies the unimpeded freedom of the individual in America, the very aspect of life we are told on a daily basis by the same mainstream media is the reason "Al Qaeda" wants to kill us all. Never mind, Ron Paul is Al Qaeda, just accept it. The sad thing is many people listening to Shuster's idiocy will.

Diebold Disparities Uncovered In New Hampshire Recount Huge disparities between votes cast on Diebold electronic voting machines and actual hand counted tallies are emerging during the New Hampshire recount, with Hillary Clinton gaining the most from over a hundred unaccounted for votes in one Manchester Ward. The recount in Manchester's Ward 5 revealed a disparity whereby establishment candidates received over a hundred 'black hole' votes between them that could not be tallied during the hand count. At the moment there is no indication of where these extra votes came from, but the figures again cast the accuracy of Diebold voting machines into severe doubt and provide further evidence of the need for a return to hand counted paper ballots only in all federal elections. Brad Friedman at The Brad Blog continues to provide great coverage of the recount, unlike New Hampshire's foremost news outlet WMUR, whose "only source seems to be whatever (New Hampshire Secretary of State) Gardner tells them," according to Friedman. In addition, 550 ballots in Stratham were not read by the Diebold machines at all and were rejected as blank ballots. Voting Rights attorney John Bonifaz also told Friedman of his deep concerns about the transparency of both the initial election as well as the recount. "I'm very concerned that this is not a fully transparent process that is happening there," he said. Diebold memory cards used in New Hampshire, which have been proven to be vulnerable to hacking and could easily be used to steal an election, are "missing" according to state officials. Bonifaz, "Says he was told by Secretary of State William Gardner that his office doesn't get involved in tracking what happens to those memory cards. Some have reportedly been returned to LHS, and may have had their memory erased already," reports Friedman. Federal law mandates that all materials from elections be preserved for 22 months thereafter, so if the memory cards have been wiped then LHS Associates, who it was revealed last week had hired a narcotics trafficker to a high-level executive position, would be facing criminal charges. In another shocking development, vote fraud expert Bev Harris witnessed first hand that a majority of ballot boxes had 8 inch slits in their side. Election Defense Alliance's Sally Castleman followed the boxes back to the ballot vault and also noticed the cuts. Read Bev's report here.

This is way the elite/media are trying to smear Ron Paul. This is also the reason many people are become very suspicious of the voting process. Republican Straw polls for the 2008 United States presidential election Recent winners map Each state and D.C. has been colored to represent its most recent straw poll winner. These polls, however, may not be representative of the entire state since many are smaller, local straw polls, and some are several months old. The numbers of states in which each candidate has won the state's most recent straw poll are as follows: 1. Ron Paul (18) 2. Mitt Romney (9, plus District of Columbia) 3. Fred Thompson (7) 4. Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee (2) 6. Duncan Hunter (1) 7. Alan Keyes, John McCain (0) The following 105 poll results (including 1 international poll and 9 multiparty polls) are sorted by U.S. state. Where data is incomplete, it reflects all data available at source. [5][6][7] RON PAUL WON THE INTERNATIONAL POLL B.T.W Here are just some of the results in text data form..