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^Not sure what you're saying, I agree that some forms of music are basically universal, but some of it just isn't to everyone's taste, not everyone is going to like a piece of music or "get" it and that's that. I think it's a little unfair to assume that Radiohead just made TKOL to be inaccessible on purpose.

I don't even mean to troll you, but what?! Music has always been complex, at least some of it. I mean the point isn't usually to be complex for the sake of it... but music is complex, especially the stuff considered good or cutting-edge or whatever. I mean the emotions may be simple and pure, and what have you, but the actual notes are complex. It's been like that since the Baroque movement basically, whatever's the most current is considered overly cerebral or complex or whatever. I mean I don't think people make complex music with the specific point of being hard to grasp, I just think they want to explore new creative directions. It's basically either take that position or think that basically every composer/performer in history who's written innovative music is just trying to be a pretentious asshole. And I'm not even saying TKOL is especially innovative, because it isn't extremely so, I'm just making a point.

Yeah okay I think I see what you're saying now. I guess I basically agree.

See, I do think it has a mood though, I'm not sure what you're on about. It's all mellow and experimental and sort of depressing. Hahaha.

Yeah, I mean it's really confusing for everyone hahaha. Do you think it'd be better if there was some kind of geographical separation or not perchance?

Well my understanding is that the ones who hate the Walloons are more vocal/influential than the normal ones who don't care. :P The only reason I even sort of know what's going on is cuz we studied Belgium in school for like a week my freshman year haha. So even you are having trouble knowing what's going on or what?

Basically, historically there's been the Flemings and the Walloons, and the Flemings speak Flemish and live in the north, and the Walloons speak French and live in the south. You go from the south of the country to the north and the second you cross the border all the signs switch languages to Flemish, everyone starts hating you for speaking French, etc. (Same way going the other direction.) In other words Belgium is just made up of two social groups that are culturally and linguistically separated and unwilling to deal with one another. Imo it's a miracle they've stayed as one country for so long.

Hahaha. I'm not gonna say anything else. Don't worry.

I think that that at least has people who claim that there's a government, even if it's just laughably untrue, whereas nobody in Belgium even says that they're governing it. That's the point.

I'm not sure what you're saying about cohesiveness to be honest, I guess maybe by cohesiveness I meant cohesiveness of sound, but still. And I do agree that it sounds really... I dunno, Thomy. And there aren't any stand-out tracks really but I think that makes it more of an album album. (Or an EP album at least.)

^I agree with it sounding like an EP, I'm in the camp of vaguely expecting something Amnesiac-y after this, probably with the vinyl set. It's a fucking brilliant EP though, if it is an EP. So cohesive and mellow and brilliantly produced and et cetera. Really good music. Just sort of hard to grapple with it being a Radiohead release, or a Radiohead album more specifically, coz it doesn't have the... I don't know, breadth? I guess? that a lot of their albums do. It seems to me like there's only one emotional theme, which you can't really say about their other albums, because most of them explore different emotional directions.

YOU'RE MISSING A FOUR.

Well, it's official now, I can barely listen to anything else. You can tell I'm really into this album because I even changed my fangirly avatar to Thom Yorke's beautiful bowler-hat-covered head.

I wouldn't have known at all if it weren't for Wikipedia putting it on its little "In the News" section. I think the Flemings vs. Walloons thing is just too much for most Americans, or at least in the eyes of the news companies. It's funny cuz they think we're too dumb for it, but it's mostly because we never really hear about them on the news, and if we did, we'd know about it, so it's a vicious cycle and... yeah. It is funny though, because while the people in Egypt are utterly freaking out about the lack of government the Belgians are still being pretty chill about it, as far as I can tell. I commend them.

Josh must be wetting himself :D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010–2011_Belgian_government_formation

Yes, I do agree, but surely you don't think that most of the people are "pro-Israel"? I do think most of them care about what's going on in their own personal countries, but there's definitely some anti-Israeli sentiment in most of the Middle East, and that's just not positive as far as America is concerned. and in regards to Mike's post, I'd have to say we're basically in agreement just about everywhere. TWINSIES.

Aww! It's your birthday? That's nice. Happy birthday. :nice:

Nuclear war. In all seriousness, though, it's a possibility. America needs to decide quick whether we actually want a democratic Egypt or not. Democratic Middle Eastern countries -> bad news for Israel; we're Israel's serious buddy -> not so hot for us. Not to mention Democratic Middle Eastern countries -> not so hot for us, anyway, even if you don't consider Israel. We'll probably end up siding with whatever new dictator is established there like we normally do, for our own safety. I'm not sure how I feel about that. I do, much as it pains me to say it, sort of agree with Josh in that the Middle East needs shaking up, badly. That part of the globe needs to have a serious cultural and political rethinking for the world's sake to catch up, because if things stay the way they are now socially there, there's going to be a LOT of conflict between the Middle East and the rest of the world, just because we're so ideologically out of phase. (I'm not trying to be necessarily West-o-centric and say that we're right and they need to think like us or anything [although to a degree I do feel that], I'm mostly just saying that culturally they should become a little more homogeneous with the rest of the world, just for the sake of preventing conflict.) I do think that the Middle East is moving toward that right now, which is really, really good. I dunno. It's going to be a very interesting few months, especially if things heat up even more outside of Egypt, which it's looking like they might. Could end up being a serious historical regionwide revolutionary movement, which is a little scary because it's new, but could also lead to a lot of good things... or some really bad ones. I'm cautiously optimistic, I guess.

WHAT IS LOVE

I dunno. I'd say in general fairly diverse, not just diverse for the sake of it but because I like different kinds of music. Compared to some people I know it's really diverse. Compared to some other people in general that I don't know, I'm not really anything special. I do know a lot of people that say their music taste is diverse and when I ask them what kind of music they listen to they go "omg punk AND classic rock AND even some indie stuff!" and then I go "o really what about classical", or some other not-that-popular genre, and they usually go "LOLno" or else say "ummmm yeah kind of" and name like one or two famous classical pieces. When they do listen to classical I ask them about jazz and they always say no, hahaha. I think people are more apt to think that their taste is diverse than to think otherwise, which is why I'm hesitant to say my taste is actually diverse. Mostly I listen to stuff that's indie as shit :charming: and electronica, a little bit of pop, and alternative I guess, and classical, and jazz, blues, etc. I have some opera music and also a couple of country songs (mostly old country, the kind that's basically white blues... like Johnny Cash, etc. Hank Williams is cool.), and some hip-hop too but I'm not really super into much of that. Probably the most exotic music I have is an Indian jazz-fusion band called Remember Shakti. Soundtracks and stuff. Not that much that's super experimental besides some indie shit. No show tunes or pop country/pop rap. I'd say I'm pretty diverse but not crazy out there, because a lot of the genres I do listen to I don't listen to that much of. I do like me some good new music though. I would say I'm open to different genres but tend to listen to certain ones more than others.

HE IS THE SWAN QUEEN

Like a rush of blood to the head, but better. lololz

ahhgghh Giving Up The Ghost is just a perfect song haha

ugh, this album is just so good especially as like an actual album

finally have a chance to sit down and listen, not done with the first song yet even but it's amazing and mellow and dark and I love it so far