Sorry to reply to my own post. . . . .

 

Who said George Buh never lied?

 

this is funny!

 

http://www.bushlies.net/pages/10/index.htm

 

 

NEVER said he didnt lie, just he didnt lie about wmd's in iraq.

I was reading this and I couldn't stop thinking about how on earth they are going to get support for another military strike?? It's going to be quite a hard job trying to convince people that it's a good idea.

 

US considers use of nuclear weapons against Iran report

 

AFP | April 8 2006

 

The administration of President George W. Bush is planning a massive bombing campaign against Iran, including use of bunker-buster nuclear bombs to destroy a key Iranian suspected nuclear weapons facility, The New Yorker magazine reported in its April 17 issue.

 

The article by investigative journalist Seymour Hersh said that Bush and others in the White House have come to view Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as a potential Adolf Hitler.

 

"That's the name they're using," the report quoted a former senior intelligence official as saying.

 

A senior unnamed Pentagon adviser is quoted in the article as saying that "this White House believes that the only way to solve the problem is to change the power structure in Iran, and that means war."

 

The former intelligence officials depicts planning as "enormous," "hectic" and "operational," Hersh writes.

 

One former defense official said the military planning was premised on a belief that "a sustained bombing campaign in Iran will humiliate the religious leadership and lead the public to rise up and overthrow the government," The New Yorker pointed out.

 

In recent weeks, the president has quietly initiated a series of talks on plans for Iran with a few key senators and members of the House of Representatives, including at least one Democrat, the report said.

 

One of the options under consideration involves the possible use of a bunker-buster tactical nuclear weapon, such as the B61-11, to insure the destruction of Iran's main centrifuge plant at Natanz, Hersh writes.

 

But the former senior intelligence official said the attention given to the nuclear option has created serious misgivings inside the military, and some officers have talked about resigning after an attempt to remove the nuclear option from the evolving war plans in Iran failed, according to the report.

 

"There are very strong sentiments within the military against brandishing nuclear weapons against other countries," the magazine quotes the Pentagon adviser as saying.

 

The adviser warned that bombing Iran could provoke "a chain reaction" of attacks on American facilities and citizens throughout the world and might also reignite Hezbollah.

 

"If we go, the southern half of Iraq will light up like a candle," the adviser is quoted as telling The New Yorker.

the us would NEVER use nukes against iran unless they nuked us. our goverment knows that would cause too much damage to our nation. using a nuke on iran would be unwise, our goverment wouldnt never do such a thing unless nuked first. now israsel thats another story.

No you've never done it before (Enola Gay)

No you've never done it before (Enola Gay)

 

YEAH..jesus..I know....:rolleyes: some people have short memories. It's all the same people, the government now is all part of the same cult. They love death.

 

And anyway, they ARE thinking about using nuclear weapons. Tactical nuclear weapons...or "Bunker Busters" as they have been talked about.

They have been talked about alot and are said to cause minimum civilian casualties.

The “bunker buster” is a cute sounding name for a nuclear horror. Air bursts are horrible enough, doing incredible destruction through heat, shock and high initial radiation.

Nobody can ever support these evil people. They lie, people die....and they love it.

 

Impeach them all.

 

Listen the lie that killed 1000's

 

I have actually given up on listening to the other side of things now. Because it's all bull...pure steaming bull. Bush and his admin. are hell bent on evil acts because it's what they believe in and it's what gets them off. They love it.

 

How can Bush have the sick minded thought to joke about it??? it's because he loves what he has done.

"Nobody can ever support these evil people. They lie, people die....and they love it."

got that right, just not about the right people...the terrorst who killed thousadns of americans are evil. you have misdirected anger based on lies and far out theories. the truth has been proven, but the truth means nothing to conspiracey theorist because they always want some whacky theory and something bad about the goverment to believe even when there is enough facts in their faces to prove them wrong. like yeti, or aliens in roswell this just joins the list of crazy theories without much evidence. and im happy to say most americans will and will forever see these theories as they truly are. far out lies based on people who are willing to believe the worste of everything.

 

bush loves what he's done, going after the people who attacked us with our military bombing the hell out of their terrorsit camps in afganistan....

Don't tell me I have mis-directed anger and that I'm a theorist who believes in whacky things like roswell and aliens...

 

Don't even compare the two. God, that's ignorance.

 

You say there is no evidence???

 

Ok. Believe what you believe.

"Nobody can ever support these evil people. They lie, people die....and they love it."

got that right, just not about the right people...the terrorst who killed thousadns of americans are evil.

 

bush loves what he's done, going after the people who attacked us with our military bombing the hell out of their terrorsit camps in afganistan....

 

Thats Al-Queida and Afghanistan. His post was about going to war with Iraq.

 

 

Oh, and by the way, you do know that the bombing has basically stopped, and the Taliban control the south of Afghanistan without opposition, right?

Thats Al-Queida and Afghanistan. His post was about going to war with Iraq.

 

 

Oh, and by the way, you do know that the bombing has basically stopped, and the Taliban control the south of Afghanistan without opposition, right?

 

 

Hey man, I hear you....I know....this is the type of person I'm dealing with. Doesn't read the evidence properly and is completely clueless about what is going on.

I mean, again, it's not all his fault. The admin have shaped alot of people in this way.

That's why I'm pushing this as much as I can. I'm terrified of what might happen if people don't inform themselves.

Don't tell me I have mis-directed anger and that I'm a theorist who believes in whacky things like roswell and aliens...

 

Don't even compare the two. God, that's ignorance.

 

You say there is no evidence???

 

Ok. Believe what you believe.

 

 

nothing that proves what you say. you are a conspiracey theorist, like those who say aliens landed in roswell or yeti exist....ignorance is what most conspiracey thoerist thrive on. they have wild imaginations and create whacky theories that lack evidence or reason.

Hey man, I hear you....I know....this is the type of person I'm dealing with. Doesn't read the evidence properly and is completely clueless about what is going on.

I mean, again, it's not all his fault. The admin have shaped alot of people in this way.

That's why I'm pushing this as much as I can. I'm terrified of what might happen if people don't inform themselves.

 

 

they end up like you, a conspiracey theorist. people who use their imagination to come up with stories....

 

the taliban may control some of the south but they are focused on afghanistan right now not attacking america. and the taliban never did attack american alqeada did and we have done major damage to them. we have not defeated them and never fully will but we've done alot of damage and crippled them

You really are just winding us up now. I don't believe anybody can be as stupid enough to constantly compare the uncovering of what 9/11 really was about to the Yeti and roswell Aliens claims.

Yet, you have a number of times.......whatever helps get you through your day.

nothing that proves what you say. you are a conspiracey theorist' date=' like those who say aliens landed in roswell or yeti exist....ignorance is what most conspiracey thoerist thrive on. they have wild imaginations and create whacky theories that lack evidence or reason.[/quote']

 

 

the same can be said for any articles you post as well.... we've disproven your articles or at least placed doubt in those that might have believe all the propaganda before.... what have you 'proven'?? These are all speculations if you ask me.. on both sides... but to place doubt in the minds of millions of Americans.. who are now finally seeing the Pres. for what he is... a liar is good enough for me. He's been caught red handed 'lying!'

 

The man is an idiot... lets move on. :)

But getting rid of Bush to end up with Cheney?? I'm starting think Cheney also needs to be impeached. He's also commited impeachable crimes.

To quote someone I remeber saying "You want to impeach little red riding hood to end up with the wolf??"

Cheney is a clever man and he knows what he is doing. Bush is the puppet. (which too is shameful)

oh nooo I say off with the both of them.... the other goose is even more guilty than Bush... lol he has a lot of skeletons in his closet.. I am sure! From Halibourton all the way to Enron!! lol

 

I hate politics..... this is just so sad in my eyes. To think they are the ones who are supposed to 'represent' the American people.. tragic. :embarassed:

You really are just winding us up now. I don't believe anybody can be as stupid enough to constantly compare the uncovering of what 9/11 really was about to the Yeti and roswell Aliens claims.

Yet, you have a number of times.......whatever helps get you through your day.

 

 

actually yeti and roswell are far more believable. but i sleep well at night knowing most of american knows the truth and will never believe that bullshit. most see it for what it truly is, a conspiracey theory made up by people with wild imaginations.

you're dreamin kid..... lol

the same can be said for any articles you post as well.... we've disproven your articles or at least placed doubt in those that might have believe all the propaganda before.... what have you 'proven'?? These are all speculations if you ask me.. on both sides... but to place doubt in the minds of millions of Americans.. who are now finally seeing the Pres. for what he is... a liar is good enough for me. He's been caught red handed 'lying!'

 

The man is an idiot... lets move on. :)

 

they may see bush for a bad president BUT most do not believe 911 conspiracey theories nor believe he lied which he did not. YOU SEE most americans KNOW what a lie is and know the difference between him lying and being misinformed. what most americans hate about him is the iraq war not because it was lie but because it has lasted so long and we do not see a end to it in the near future.

have you read the article on the authorization to de-classify information??? Thats what I am referring to here... forget about the WMD debate for a minute... and read the article.. I'm not surprised you haven't spewed any of your political propaganda in there... lol

you're dreamin kid..... lol

 

 

haha nah. the real dreamers are the loonies who come up with these insane far out theories...i mean who the hell invented big foot? who came up with aliens landing at roswell and most the 911 theories? people with HUGE imaginations. think what they could do if they put their imaginations to good work and wrote fairy tales or children books....they might actualy do some good in the world.

I see why you are a big Bush fan.. you dance around the real matter at hand.. and avoiding questions... lol

The Credibility Of The Dissenting Viewpoint

 

(not Bush but the other culprit)

This seemed like the best thread to put it in with making another.....

 

Iran Could Produce Nuclear Bomb in 16 Days, U.S. Says

 

Bloomberg | April 13 2006

 

Flashback: Iran Is Judged 10 Years From Nuclear Bomb

 

Iran, which is defying United Nations Security Council demands to cease its nuclear program, may be capable of making a nuclear bomb within 16 days if it goes ahead with plans to install thousands of centrifuges at its Natanz plant, a U.S. State Department official said.

 

``Natanz was constructed to house 50,000 centrifuges,'' Stephen Rademaker, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for International Security and Nonproliferation, told reporters today in Moscow. ``Using those 50,000 centrifuges they could produce enough highly enriched uranium for a nuclear weapon in 16 days.''

 

In fact, Iran will move forward to ``industrial scale'' uranium enrichment involving 54,000 centrifuges at Natanz, the Associated Press quoted deputy nuclear chief Mohammad Saeedi as telling state-run television today.

 

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said yesterday the country had succeeded in enriching uranium on a small scale for the first time, using 164 centrifuges. That announcement defies demands by the UN Security Council that Iran shut down its nuclear program this month.

 

The U.S. and other countries fear Iran is pursuing a nuclear program to make weapons, while Iran says it is intent on purely civilian purposes, to provide energy. Saeedi said 54,000 centrifuges will be able to enrich uranium to provide fuel for a 1,000-megawat nuclear power plant similar to the one Russia is finishing in southern Iran, AP reported.

 

``It was a deeply disappointing announcement,'' Rademaker said of Ahmadinejad's statement.

 

Weapons-Grade Uranium

 

Rademaker said the technology to enrich uranium to a low level could also be used to make weapons-grade uranium, saying that it would take a little over 13 years to produce enough highly enriched uranium for a nuclear weapon with the 164 centrifuges currently in use. The process involves placing uranium hexafluoride gas in a series of rotating drums or cylinders known as centrifuges that run at high speeds to extract weapons grade uranium.

 

Iran has informed the Vienna-based International Atomic Energy Agency that it plans to construct 3,000 centrifuges at Natanz next year, Rademaker said.

 

``We calculate that a 3,000-machine cascade could produce enough uranium to build a nuclear weapon within 271 days,'' he said.

 

While the U.S. has concerns over Iran's nuclear program, Rademaker said ``there certainly has been no decision on the part of my government'' to use force if Iran refuses to obey the UN Security Council demand that it shuts down its nuclear program.

 

Rademaker is in Moscow for a meeting of his counterparts from the Group of Eight wealthy industrialized countries. Russia chairs the G-8 this year.

Another Bush 9/11 Lie Exposed

 

James Bovard | April 14 2006

 

The transcript the feds released this week of the final minutes of Flight 93 proves that President Bush brazenly and consistently lied to the American people about how that flight ended. The transcript shows that the Arab hijackers chose to crash the plane into the ground after the American passengers stormed the cockpit. There is no guarantee that the transcript is accurate, and the government has already been caught fabricating evidence at terrorist trials in the post 9/11 era. But the government’s own version of events damns Bush. The transcript was available in early 2002, if not earlier, and was shown at that time by federal officials to some of the survivors of the people killed when Flight 93 went down.

 

Bush turned the 9/11 attacks into a moral allegory. He continually invoked the story of Flight 93 to persuade Americans of the need to reform their lives. In a speech at a Lacrosse, Wisconsin high school on May 8, 2002, Bush announced:

 

"I think the most telling event on September 11th, and one that I hope a lot of people remember, is what happened on Flight 93. Basically, what I’m saying is, it’s important to serve something greater than yourself in life. It’s important to serve a call greater than yourself and a cause greater than yourself. Flight 93, we had average citizens flying across the country, and they realized their plane was fixing to be used as a weapon on the Nation’s Capital. They called their loved ones on the phone. They said a prayer and told them they loved them, said a prayer, and they drove the plane in the ground to serve something greater than themselves. That’s the American spirit I know. That’s that sense of sacrifice that makes this country so strong."

 

Everyone not comatose during all of 2002 likely heard Bush’s Flight 93 spiel:

 

On March 18, 2002, Bush, speaking to factory workers in O’Fallon, Missouri, declared that Flight 93 would help launch a new "period of personal responsibility."

 

In Knoxville on April 8, 2002, Bush declared, "Flight 93 told me a lot about America. . . . It is that spirit that is alive and well in America, and it’s that spirit that makes me so optimistic about the future of this great country."

 

At an April 29, 2002, California political fundraiser, Bush invoked Flight 93 as proof of the "new culture" of "serving something greater than yourself in life" and claimed that "Out of the evil done to America is going to come incredible good" because "we are such a good nation."

 

The next day at another fundraiser, Bush declared that "Flight 93 really, in many ways, epitomized the best of America."

 

At yet another Republican fundraiser, this one in Florida on June 21, 2002, Bush declared that Flight 93 was "the most compelling story, of course, in my judgment, after 9/11 or during 9/11."

 

And on September 17, 2002, at a school in Nashville, Bush expanded his parable to include the love of freedom: "It’s a lesson of people loving freedom so much and loving their country so much, that they’re willing to drive a plane into the ground to save other people’s lives."

 

Yet, at the least, there was never any evidence that Flight 93 passengers chose to commit suicide (as opposed to fighting to capture control of the plane from the hijackers).

 

Bush’s obsessive focus on Flight 93 shifted public attention to heroic citizens and away from incompetent bureaucrats. But Bush had no excuse not to know that his Flight 93 allegory was a sham. FBI director Robert Mueller told a closed congressional hearing in 2002 that Flight 93 crashed a few minutes after one of the hijackers "advised [Ziad] Jarrah [the hijacker piloting the plane] to crash the plane and end the passengers’ attempt to retake the airplane." An August 2003 Associated Press report noted that the FBI’s interpretation, "based on the government’s analysis of cockpit recordings, discounts the popular perception of passengers grappling with terrorists to seize the plane’s controls." No one did more to popularize the bogus version of events than Bush.

 

The FBI director’s conclusion was not made public until the report of the joint congressional intelligence committees was released in late July 2003.

 

How many Americans, hornswoggled by Bush’s lies about Flight 93, volunteered to join the military and ended up dying for Bush’s lies on Iraq?

 

Post 9/11 America shows what happens when a nation worships its leader and permits him to tell one lie after another, distorting facts and manipulating the public’s emotions. If Bush had not been treated so respectfully after 9/11, he could not have easily lead the nation to war against Iraq. If Bush had not been permitted to exploit government failure, the government would not have become much more powerful.