This video is from Al-Jazeera I believe. The lady claims to not be a Muslim, Christian, or Jew, and makes some valid points. Please comment on this very interesting video. Thanks.

 

youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WLoasfOLpQ&search=wafa%20sultan

 

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http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&ar=1050wmv&ak=null

any thoughts?

I think im in love with that women. She's onto something. she looks beyond the surface....best thread ive ever seen, good job

I called her first.

It doesn't work

here it is on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WLoasfOLpQ&search=wafa%20sultan

Shes spot on!! Do you think we could get her on the BBC? How would we do that?

i wonder who this woman is... she is right....

 

 

i leant arabic at school and i recognised some of the words :) i'm proud of myself

Holy crap that was good.

thought y'all would like it.

this link contains the full interview text : http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=1050

 

firstly, i don't like people talking about subjects that they don't have much information..so i didn't like it (sorry for disappointing you ugadawg5)..

 

"Host:I understand from your words that what is happening today is a clash between the culture of the West, and the backwardness and ignorance of the Muslims?

Wafa Sultan:Yes, that is what I mean."

 

 

 

can't you see a generalization in that sentence? There are over 1.5 billion Muslims in the world..and i'm curious what does she mean by backwardness and how could she decide what is backwardness?? by looking at clothes??

 

 

"Wafa Sultan:The Muslims are the ones who began using this expression. The Muslims are the ones who began the clash of civilizations. The Prophet of Islam said: "I was ordered to fight the people until they believe in Allah and His Messenger." When the Muslims divided the people into Muslims and non-Muslims, and called to fight the others until they believe in what they themselves believe, they started this clash, and began this war. In order to stop this war, they must reexamine their Islamic books and curricula, which are full of calls for takfir and fighting the infidels."

 

 

Surah 5:33

The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;

Surah 2:190 Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors.

Surah 60:8

"God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers.

 

 

 

 

So you can only do this to those who wage war against Islam and those who do corruption in the land. Not to any innocent person! It is forbidden! War takes place in the Quran but in this way i am sure, say, the Bible contains those kind of statements as well...

 

 

 

"Wafa Sultan:The Jews have come from the tragedy (of the Holocaust), and forced the world to respect them, with their knowledge, not with their terror, with their work, not their crying and yelling. Humanity owes most of the discoveries and science of the 19th and 20th centuries to Jewish scientists. 15 million people, scattered throughout the world, united and won their rights through work and knowledge. We have not seen a single Jew blow himself up in a German restaurant. We have not seen a single Jew destroy a church. We have not seen a single Jew protest by killing people. The Muslims have turned three Buddha statues into rubble. We have not seen a single Buddhist burn down a Mosque, kill a Muslim, or burn down an embassy. Only the Muslims defend their beliefs by burning down churches, killing people, and destroying embassies. This path will not yield any results. The Muslims must ask themselves what they can do for humankind, before they demand that humankind respect them."

 

 

 

i am sorry but, how come nobody hasn't realized those foolish observations.. she uses "muslims"...i mean she is talking about a few hundreds or thousands- not important- misguided followers of Islam..what about the rest?? what about more than one billion followers?? (Also i don't want to mention about the Christian or Jewish terrorist groups,crusades,etc.. all the same.. )

 

 

 

"Wafa Sultan: Brother, you can believe in stones, as long as you don't throw them at me. You are free to worship whoever you want, but other people's beliefs are not your concern, whether they believe that the Messiah is God, son of Mary, or that Satan is God, son of Mary. Let people have their beliefs."

 

 

 

dear Ma'm...you can believe whatever you want as long as you keep them to your own, as long as you don't throw your muddy stones at me...this is better than lying, believe me...

I was hoping you would like it coldplaying. now my day is ruined.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/11/international/middleeast/11sultan.html?ex=1299733200&en=d13886daba5e586f&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

 

you see, some muslims do not like the fact that she denounces violence in the name of Islam, and they call her an infidel and call for her death. this is what I am talking about. according to some muslims and radical islamists, you can't be allowed to live if you do not follow their rules. disgusting.

I was hoping you would like it coldplaying. now my day is ruined.

my name is emre :-)

and i was not hoping such an "empty" reply from you... i'm waiting for more productive ones so that we'll be able to conclude...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/11/international/middleeast/11sultan.html?ex=1299733200&en=d13886daba5e586f&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

 

you see, some muslims do not like the fact that she denounces violence in the name of Islam, and they call her an infidel and call for her death. this is what I am talking about. according to some muslims and radical islamists, you can't be allowed to live if you do not follow their rules. disgusting.

 

as you said above:some...you've learnt not to generalize but still you classify people by their religions only..i mean you say muslim rather than "a lebanese person" for example... those threats are very very normal you too know it.. if someone attacks another religion i'm sure similar threats again will be heard... not only for religion, same things occur if the subject is a country/group/etc...

look, i have been following world events very closely via world news on tv, internet news, etc. i do not proclaim to be an expert in the Muslim religion.

 

as an observer however, i have seen bombings around the world perpetrated by those who act in the name of Allah. I agree with the woman in the video and there is no use arguing with you Emre, or anyone else who would choose to sympathize with the growing factions of Radical Islam and excuse their actions.

"sympathize with the growing factions of Radical Islam and excuse their actions"

 

I somehow don't think Emre said that.

you forgot to quote the "anyone else who". i've said before that not all muslims are bad people or follow the violent path of islam. but if one does not agree with Wafa Sultan, it is difficult for me not to lump he/she in with the "sympathizers".

so, we are totally different from eachother..i do not follow (generally) the world news regularly, although i am not an expert in Islam i do know something about it and i tried to explain it partly above, by giving exact statements from Quran..you are now free to believe whatever you want..

the only problem is that: you blaim Islam for the terrorist attacks... how can i explain more clearly i don't know, really... this is something like blaming england for fanatic, say, leeds utd hooligans... english government has some rules for hooliganism but they (the hooligans) still continue their acts..

you forgot to quote the "anyone else who". i've said before that not all muslims are bad people or follow the violent path of islam. but if one does not agree with Wafa Sultan' date=' it is difficult for me not to lump he/she in with the "sympathizers".[/quote']

i stated clearly where and why i don't agree with her...you are free to label me with any word...you can even say "terror sympathizer"... i made my stand..

that's fine bud, and I have made mine - end of discussion.

okk... see you with your new "violent religion Islam" thread :P (kidding)

this link contains the full interview text : http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=1050

 

firstly, i don't like people talking about subjects that they don't have much information..so i didn't like it (sorry for disappointing you ugadawg5)..

 

"Host:I understand from your words that what is happening today is a clash between the culture of the West, and the backwardness and ignorance of the Muslims?

Wafa Sultan:Yes, that is what I mean."

 

 

 

can't you see a generalization in that sentence? There are over 1.5 billion Muslims in the world..and i'm curious what does she mean by backwardness and how could she decide what is backwardness?? by looking at clothes??

 

 

"Wafa Sultan:The Muslims are the ones who began using this expression. The Muslims are the ones who began the clash of civilizations. The Prophet of Islam said: "I was ordered to fight the people until they believe in Allah and His Messenger." When the Muslims divided the people into Muslims and non-Muslims, and called to fight the others until they believe in what they themselves believe, they started this clash, and began this war. In order to stop this war, they must reexamine their Islamic books and curricula, which are full of calls for takfir and fighting the infidels."

 

 

Surah 5:33

The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;

Surah 2:190 Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors.

Surah 60:8

"God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers.

 

 

 

 

So you can only do this to those who wage war against Islam and those who do corruption in the land. Not to any innocent person! It is forbidden! War takes place in the Quran but in this way i am sure, say, the Bible contains those kind of statements as well...

 

 

 

"Wafa Sultan:The Jews have come from the tragedy (of the Holocaust), and forced the world to respect them, with their knowledge, not with their terror, with their work, not their crying and yelling. Humanity owes most of the discoveries and science of the 19th and 20th centuries to Jewish scientists. 15 million people, scattered throughout the world, united and won their rights through work and knowledge. We have not seen a single Jew blow himself up in a German restaurant. We have not seen a single Jew destroy a church. We have not seen a single Jew protest by killing people. The Muslims have turned three Buddha statues into rubble. We have not seen a single Buddhist burn down a Mosque, kill a Muslim, or burn down an embassy. Only the Muslims defend their beliefs by burning down churches, killing people, and destroying embassies. This path will not yield any results. The Muslims must ask themselves what they can do for humankind, before they demand that humankind respect them."

 

 

 

i am sorry but, how come nobody hasn't realized those foolish observations.. she uses "muslims"...i mean she is talking about a few hundreds or thousands- not important- misguided followers of Islam..what about the rest?? what about more than one billion followers?? (Also i don't want to mention about the Christian or Jewish terrorist groups,crusades,etc.. all the same.. )

 

 

 

"Wafa Sultan: Brother, you can believe in stones, as long as you don't throw them at me. You are free to worship whoever you want, but other people's beliefs are not your concern, whether they believe that the Messiah is God, son of Mary, or that Satan is God, son of Mary. Let people have their beliefs."

 

 

 

dear Ma'm...you can believe whatever you want as long as you keep them to your own, as long as you don't throw your muddy stones at me...this is better than lying, believe me...

 

 

 

"i am sorry but, how come nobody hasn't realized those foolish observations.. she uses "muslims"...i mean she is talking about a few hundreds or thousands- not important- misguided followers of Islam..what about the rest?? what about more than one billion followers?? (Also i don't want to mention about the Christian or Jewish terrorist groups,crusades,etc.. all the same.. "

 

 

sorry but its much higher then that. its in the millions now of people who support terrorist, their ideas or are terrorist. its a growing problem. its still a small amount compared to how many muslims there are in this world, but stil its a huge number of extremist.

i don't believe there are some millions of people killing innocents in name of Islam or Allah... maybe there exist millions supporting terrorists but this support is a result of hate and/or grudge.. i don't mean it's the right thing to do but you know the residents are those who see the all disgusting war scenes and the grudge is inevitable...they are losing their families (i'm not talking about one side).. so there's nothing to do with the religion and its teachings..it's all about what's going on near them..

i don't believe there are some millions of people killing innocents in name of Islam or Allah... maybe there exist millions supporting terrorists but this support is a result of hate and/or grudge.. i don't mean it's the right thing to do but you know the residents are those who see the all disgusting war scenes and the grudge is inevitable...they are losing their family (i'm not talking about one side).. so there's nothing to do with the religion and its teachings..it's all about what's going on near them..

 

it has everything to do with religion. they are being led by radical muslims to this belief who have hijacked the religion for their political benefit. the ones who follow this arent following what islam is but a radical version used to brainwash people. im saying islam is a peaceful religion and 99% of muslims are peaceful good people, but that small 1% or so does contain alot of people. im not attacking islam here.