Originally Posted by Maldini

 

When you trap and don't know what should to do,you just insult

thats true

 

and you cry racist everytime someone does not believe what you do. thats far worse

 

You arent willing to debate the facts, just say over and over the same pointless crap. many people on here have proved you wrong about your claim about the holocaust.

compare

 

and you cry racist everytime someone does not believe what you do. thats far worse

 

You arent willing to debate the facts, just say over and over the same pointless crap. many people on here have proved you wrong about your claim about the holocaust.

plz talking about yourself mr racist and see which most successfull topics me or your insult topics mr racist.

hey M&S

 

about 1973 war who was won in this war?who's back his land ?who's accepting in ceasefire to make apeace who's defeated the legand army?

about war there two way

first way by army.

second way by policies and mind and that ppl such as mrcool and sumth didt understand it coz they understand by the first way only its war.

You only got some land back

You gained some intial success granted but then you got pushed back across the sinai and lost control of the suez canal.

An army of yours was totally surrounded and woulve been annilated if you hadnt betrayed yourallies and accepted a ceasefire.

 

That is not a victory. Thats a lucky escape.

^ it was a lucky escape. a bloody lucky one

 

israel has never been 'defeated' in war. they have settled on resolutions, which does not mean that they lost a war, if they did the country wouldnt exist today and be under its own control!

You only got some land back

You gained some intial success granted but then you got pushed back across the sinai and lost control of the suez canal.

An army of yours was totally surrounded and woulve been annilated if you hadnt betrayed yourallies and accepted a ceasefire.

 

That is not a victory. Thats a lucky escape.

see you didtadmit by policies ways the war finished in 1982

and are you think isreal will leave sinia without war

why is it leave it?that coz if egyptian want to make thing they are make it

quote ^ it was a lucky escape. a bloody lucky one

 

israel has never been 'defeated' in war. they have settled on resolutions, which does not mean that they lost a war, if they did the country wouldnt exist today and be under its own control!

 

 

 

what solution you talking about?

UN resolutions. not solutions. like 1780 in lebanon just recently.

hahaha

are you kidding

isreal never respect UN resolutions and it was repect only for we depfated the legend she was made and egyptian destoried it for it only she accepted un resolutions.

and dont forgot it usa army had shared it war beside isreal when aircraft transferred tanks and atitanks to war field.

*is baffled how anyone can call that a victory*

 

As i said you had a fantastic spin doctor.

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Yom+Kippur+War

 

Combatants

Israel Egypt

Syria

Jordan

Iraq

 

4 against 1. A surrounded one

 

Israel

 

415,000 troops;

1,500 tanks,

3,000 armored carriers;

945 artillery units 100 mm and up; 561 airplanes,

84 helicopters; 38 warships.[1]

 

Egypt: 800,000 troops (300,000 deployed);

2,400 tanks, 2,400 armored carriers;

1,120 artillery units 100 mm and up;

690 airplanes, 161 helicopters; 104 warships

Syria: 150,000 troops (60,000 deployed);

1,400 tanks, 800-900 armored carriers;

600 artillery units 100 mm and up;

350 airplanes, 36 helicopters; 21 warships

Iraq: 60,000 troops, 700 tanks,

500 armored carriers, 200 artillery units, 73 airplanes)[1]

 

Out numbered and out gunned. (thank god for better training and US equipment)

 

Casualties

 

Israel

 

2,656 killed

7,250 wounded

400 tanks destroyed

600 damaged/returned to service

102 planes shot down

(Rabinovich, 496–497

 

Arabs

8,528 killed

19,540 wounded

(Western analysis)

15,000 dead

35,000 wounded

(Israeli analysis)

2,250 tanks destroyed or captured

432 planes destroyed

(Rabinovich, 496–497)

 

You call that a victory?

For the Arab nations (and Egypt in particular), the psychological trauma of their defeat in the Six-Day War had been healed. In many ways, it allowed them to negotiate with the Israelis as equals. However, given that the war had started about as well as the Arab leaders could have wanted, at the end they had made only limited territorial gains in the Sinai front, while Israel gained more territory on the Golan Heights than it held before the war; also given the fact that Israel managed to gain a foothold on African soil west of the canal, the war helped convince many in the Arab world that Israel could not be defeated militarily, thereby strengthening peace movements.

hahaha

are you kidding

isreal never respect UN resolutions and it was repect only for we depfated the legend she was made and egyptian destoried it for it only she accepted un resolutions.

and dont forgot it usa army had shared it war beside isreal when aircraft transferred tanks and atitanks to war field.

 

hahaha no u are you idiot.

 

you clearly have know knowledge of world politics and history. if israel didnt keep un resolutions then ur country wouldn't have the sinai! if i'm not mistaken thats how egypt got it back from israel!?

you clearly have know knowledge of world politics and history. if israel didnt keep un haveresolutions then ur country wouldn't the sinai! if i'm not mistaken thats how egypt got it back from israel!?

are you ignore the truth?

by after our greatest victorious after broken undefeatable army like israel said .

YOU NEVER WON!!!!

 

hahaha. i don't think you understand that... if not for the UN resolution both egypyt and syria would have been overun by israel. thats a prooven fact. you won nothing but the UN's sympathy

you clearly have know knowledge of world politics and history. if israel didnt keep un haveresolutions then ur country wouldn't the sinai! if i'm not mistaken thats how egypt got it back from israel!?

are you ignore the truth?

by after our greatest victorious after broken undefeatable army like israel said .

 

You attacked a country not expecting a attack and after intial gains you then lost it all and then some!

 

Are you really that stupid to believe thats a victory? You may have won a small battle but you lost the war (again)

u try to change history

are do you think if isreal won war she will leave sinia by easy way ?

Please

 

 

 

 

Here not dedicate to discuss the 1973 war

u try to change history

are do you think if isreal won war she will leave sinia by easy way ?

 

Because the Americans made them!

 

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Yom+Kippur+War

 

 

The Security Council of the United Nations passed (14-0) Resolution 338 calling for a cease-fire, largely negotiated between the U.S. and Soviet Union, on October 22. It called for an end to the fighting between Israel and Egypt (but technically not between Syria and Israel). It came into effect 12 hours later at 6:52 p.m. Israeli time. (Rabinovich, 452). Because it went into effect after darkness, it was impossible for satellite surveillance to determine where the front lines were when the fighting was supposed to stop (Rabinovich, 458).

 

When the cease-fire began, the Israeli forces were just a few hundred meters short of their goal—the last road linking Cairo and Suez. During the night, the Egyptians broke the cease-fire in a number of locations, destroying nine Israeli tanks. In response, David Elazar requested permission to resume the drive south, and Moshe Dayan approved (Rabinovich, 463). The Israeli troops finished the drive south, captured the road, and trapped the Egyptian Third Army east of the Suez Canal.

 

The next morning, October 23, a flurry of diplomatic activity occurred. Soviet reconnaissance flights had confirmed that Israeli forces were moving south, and the Soviets accused the Israelis of treachery. In a phone call with Golda Meir, Henry Kissinger asked, "how can anyone ever know where a line is or was in the desert?" Meir responded, "they'll know, all right." Kissinger found out about the trapped Egyptian army shortly thereafter. (Rabinovich, 465).

 

Kissinger realized the situation presented the United States with a tremendous opportunity—Egypt was totally dependent on the United States to prevent Israel from destroying its trapped army, which now had no access to food or water. The position could be parlayed later into allowing the United States to mediate the dispute, and push Egypt out of Soviet influences.

 

As a result, the United States exerted tremendous pressure on the Israelis to refrain from destroying the trapped army, even threatening to support a UN resolution to force the Israelis to pull back to their October 22 positions if they did not allow non-military supplies to reach the army. In a phone call with Israeli ambassador Simcha Dinitz, Kissinger told the ambassador that the destruction of the Egyptian Third Army "is an option that does not exist" (Rabinovich, 487).

When the cease fire came into effect, Israel had lost territory on the east side of the Suez Canal to Egypt (shown in red) but gained territory west of the canal and in the Golan Heights (shown in green).

 

Some Victory

Can we discuss it in another thread please

Sorry but the discussion has moved on, its evolved like the 9/11 thread. Threads do that.

 

Well if you want to get back to topic - give us some points

Sorry but the discussion has moved on, its evolved like the 9/11 thread. Threads do that.

 

Well if you want to get back to topic - give us some points

 

 

All points in the speech

 

Did you read it ?

Then everythings been said-

 

Give several key points from the speech and we can debate them. Otherwise the thread will go off topic again.

Here it is

 

 

 

I have announced on more than one occasion that Israel has become a fait accompli, recognized by the world, and that the two superpowers have undertaken the responsibility for its security and the defense of its existence. As we really and truly seek peace we really and truly welcome you to live among us in peace and security.

There was a huge wall between us that you tried to build up over a quarter of a century but it was destroyed in 1973. It was the wall of an implacable and escalating psychological warfare.

It was a wall of the fear of the force that could sweep the entire Arab nation. It was a wall of propaganda that we were a nation reduced to immobility. Some of you have gone as far as to say that even for 50 years to come, the Arabs will not regain their strength. It was a wall that always threatened with a long arm that could reach and strike anywhere. It was a wall that warned us of extermination and annihilation if we tried to use our legitimate rights to liberate the occupied territories.

Together we have to admit that that wall fell and collapsed in 1973. Yet, there remains another wall. This wall constitutes a psychological barrier between us, a barrier of suspicion, a barrier of rejection; a barrier of fear, or deception, a barrier of hallucination without any action, deed or decision.

A barrier of distorted and eroded interpretation of every event and statement. It is this psychological barrier that I described in official statements as constituting 70 percent of the whole problem.

Today, through my visit to you, I ask why don't we stretch out our hands with faith and sincerity so that together we might destroy this barrier? Why shouldn't our and your will meet with faith and sincerity so that together we might remove all suspicion of fear, betrayal and bad intentions?

Why don't we stand together with the courage of men and the boldness of heroes who dedicate themselves to a sublime aim? Why don't we stand together with the same courage and daring to erect a huge edifice of peace?

An edifice that builds and does not destroy. An edifice that serves as a beacon for generations to come with the human message for construction, development and the dignity of man.