I know. What hte Dems are going to do is focus on building up approval for the election in '08 instead of looking into holding those responsible' date=' acountable.[/quote']

 

Exactly.

 

At first i pointed and laughed at the democratic party, but they were brilliant this election year for a first time in awhile. Im really impressed how they played, they played dirty but thats how its done. And in 08 they're going to get a dem in office and completely take over the government. I dont like the party but the way they played the game recenty wowed me.

When you're dumb enough to BELIEVE rumors' date=' you deserve to be called on it. If you were 15 which you may be, i'd let it slide, it would be ok, but you're probably a grown up and still acting like a kid believing RUMORS. You got what you deserved[/quote']

 

No - I think you have serious issues, as you get all wound up and stressed out about meaningless stuff.

You need to chill out before it's too late.;)

Pastor Ted was the one who got what he deserved, for being a total hypocrite.;)

And there are far more where he came from.:rolleyes:

I can't believe I only just heard about this now! I'm pretty sure we all saw this coming. :dance:

The thing is I really doubt anything that matters will actually change due to the Dems gaining Senate and House control.

 

Democrats have already said that they aren't even going to go for any impeachment and leading members have distanced themselves from investigating even the disgusting Iraq WMD lies.

 

For the past few months you could bearly watch any news channel without hearing the Democrats mentioning the grave mistakes made in relation to the Iraq war, now they don't seem bothered about attempting to rid your country of the shame?

Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean are saying the impeachment is "off the table" and that "we're not gonna do that".

 

How on earth can the masses of people expect them to look into 9/11 and it's ramifications? How in the slightest was Tuesday night a defeat of the Bush Administration & the Neo-Cons? From what I have read it seems like a big huge get out of jail card has been used somewhere....and it's probably not the last one either.

 

It's truely a sad reminder and realisation that it's all a huge scam, the most expensive theatre production the world has ever seen.

 

To follow up on my own post....

 

 

November 10th MSNBC Poll.

I had a feeling this topic might lure you back!!:P

 

:wink3: how perceptive of you....... :kiss:

 

 

p.s. -I see someone is learning the use of the word 'thus'..... lol

Memorable Quotes by Donald Rumsfeld

 

"I would not say that the future is necessarily less predictable than the past. I think the past was not predictable when it started."

 

"We do know of certain knowledge that he [Osama Bin Laden] is either in Afghanistan, or in some other country, or dead."

 

"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat." –on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction

 

"Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war."

 

"Freedom's untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things." –on looting in Iraq after the U.S. invasion, adding "stuff happens"

 

"As you know, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time."

 

"I am not going to give you a number for it because it's not my business to do intelligent work." -asked to estimate the number of Iraqi insurgents while testifying before Congress

 

"I believe what I said yesterday. I don't know what I said, but I know what I think, and, well, I assume it's what I said."

 

"Needless to say, the President is correct. Whatever it was he said."

 

"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know."

 

"If I said yes, that would then suggest that that might be the only place where it might be done which would not be accurate, necessarily accurate. It might also not be inaccurate, but I'm disinclined to mislead anyone."

 

"There's another way to phrase that and that is that the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. It is basically saying the same thing in a different way. Simply because you do not have evidence that something does exist does not mean that you have evidence that it doesn't exist." -on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction

 

"It is unknowable how long that conflict [the war in Iraq] will last. It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months." -in Feb. 2003

 

"Well, um, you know, something's neither good nor bad but thinking makes it so, I suppose, as Shakespeare said."

 

"Secretary Powell and I agree on every single issue that has ever been before this administration except for those instances where Colin's still learning."

 

"Learn to say 'I don't know.' If used when appropriate, it will be often."

 

"I don't know what the facts are but somebody's certainly going to sit down with him and find out what he knows that they may not know, and make sure he knows what they know that he may not know."

 

"I'm not into this detail stuff. I'm more concepty."

 

"I don't do quagmires."

 

"I don't do diplomacy."

 

"I don't do foreign policy."

 

"I don't do predictions."

 

"I don't do numbers."

 

"I don't do book reviews."

 

"Now, settle down, settle down. Hell, I'm an old man, it's early in the morning and I'm gathering my thoughts here."

 

"If I know the answer I'll tell you the answer, and if I don't, I'll just respond, cleverly."

Memorable Quotes by Donald Rumsfeld

 

"I would not say that the future is necessarily less predictable than the past. I think the past was not predictable when it started."

 

"We do know of certain knowledge that he [Osama Bin Laden] is either in Afghanistan, or in some other country, or dead."

 

"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat." –on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction

 

"Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war."

 

"Freedom's untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things." –on looting in Iraq after the U.S. invasion, adding "stuff happens"

 

"As you know, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time."

 

"I am not going to give you a number for it because it's not my business to do intelligent work." -asked to estimate the number of Iraqi insurgents while testifying before Congress

 

"I believe what I said yesterday. I don't know what I said, but I know what I think, and, well, I assume it's what I said."

 

"Needless to say, the President is correct. Whatever it was he said."

 

"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know."

 

"If I said yes, that would then suggest that that might be the only place where it might be done which would not be accurate, necessarily accurate. It might also not be inaccurate, but I'm disinclined to mislead anyone."

 

"There's another way to phrase that and that is that the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. It is basically saying the same thing in a different way. Simply because you do not have evidence that something does exist does not mean that you have evidence that it doesn't exist." -on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction

 

"It is unknowable how long that conflict [the war in Iraq] will last. It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months." -in Feb. 2003

 

"Well, um, you know, something's neither good nor bad but thinking makes it so, I suppose, as Shakespeare said."

 

"Secretary Powell and I agree on every single issue that has ever been before this administration except for those instances where Colin's still learning."

 

"Learn to say 'I don't know.' If used when appropriate, it will be often."

 

"I don't know what the facts are but somebody's certainly going to sit down with him and find out what he knows that they may not know, and make sure he knows what they know that he may not know."

 

"I'm not into this detail stuff. I'm more concepty."

 

"I don't do quagmires."

 

"I don't do diplomacy."

 

"I don't do foreign policy."

 

"I don't do predictions."

 

"I don't do numbers."

 

"I don't do book reviews."

 

"Now, settle down, settle down. Hell, I'm an old man, it's early in the morning and I'm gathering my thoughts here."

 

"If I know the answer I'll tell you the answer, and if I don't, I'll just respond, cleverly."

 

 

 

Going to war without France is like going duck hunting without your accordion.

Arguments of convenience lack integrity and inevitably trip you up.

 

 

Beware when any idea is promoted primarily because it is "bold, exciting, innovative, and new." There are many ideas that are "bold, exciting, innovative and new," but also foolish.

 

 

Congress, the press, and the bureaucracy too often focus on how much money or effort is spent, rather than whether the money or effort actually achieves the announced goal.

Don't begin to think you're the President. You're not. The Constitution provides for only one.

 

 

Don't necessarily avoid sharp edges. Occasionally they are necessary to leadership.

 

 

Don't 'over-control' like a novice pilot. Stay loose enough from the flow that you can observe it, modify, and improve it.

 

 

Don't think of yourself as indispensable or infallible. As Charles De Gaulle said, the cemeteries of the world are full of indispensable men.

 

 

If you try to please everybody, somebody's not going to like it.

 

 

It is very difficult to spend "federal (the taxpayers') dollars" so that the intended result is achieved.

 

 

Learn to say "I don't know." If used when appropriate, it will be often.

 

 

Members of the U.S. House and the U.S. Senate are not there by accident. Each managed to get there for some reason. Learn what it was and you will know something important about them, about our country and about the American people.

 

 

[Truly an amazing quote. It fits whatever level of cynicism or pollyana you hold.]

Plan backwards as well as forward. Set objectives and trace back to see how to achieve them. You may find that no path can get you there. Plan forward to see where your steps will take you, which may not be clear or intuitive.

 

 

Reduce the number of lawyers. They are like beavers - they get in the middle of the stream and dam it up.

 

 

The way to do well is to do well.

 

 

There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.

 

 

Treat each federal dollar as if it was hard earned; it was - by a taxpayer.

I like Rummy the man. As far as for his job he didnt do a horrible job just not a good one, we've had worse.

I like Rummy the man. As far as for his job he didnt do a horrible job just not a good one' date=' we've had worse.[/quote']

 

I think you'll find that's just a rumour.:rolleyes:

I think you'll find that's just a rumour.:rolleyes:

 

No, its an OPINION. but nice try again:lol:

you cant win, can you? haha

you cant win' date=' can you? haha[/quote']

 

I already did.;)

No, when you dont understand the difference between a rumor and a opinion. you'll never win..hahaha

Children, children. Please *pushes apart*

 

 

 

 

Oh Rummy what will I ever do without you :bigcry:

 

 

 

Meh, pretty sure we'll all manage. :laugh4:

We could have done worse. I try to see the positive side of things

No' date=' when you dont understand the difference between a rumor and a opinion. you'll never win..hahaha[/quote']

 

Well you obviously don't!!:rolleyes:

I think there's always a "worse", definately, but he was pretty damn bad. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed now. Just like I have since the begining.

ohhhmylord the frigging president of aTm is our sec. of defense now! i don't know if i should be scared or not...aTm's only abt an hour away from where i live. good god. i HATE aTm it's a bunch of bible thumping bigots...right now they're investigating an incident where an Aggie student painted himself black and made derogatory comments about african americans, went around terrorizing them and making fun of them...and then he sent the videotape out to all the black students of aTm.

Well you obviously don't!!:rolleyes:

 

 

Really? because you were the one saying my personal opinion on Rummy was a rumor...:laugh3: Just stop, you cant win after you've lost :lol:

Really? because you were the one saying my personal opinion on Rummy was a rumor...:laugh3: Just stop' date=' you cant win after you've lost :lol:[/quote']

 

You had lost before you even started, because of your total hypocrisy!;)

You had lost before you even started' date=' because of your total hypocrisy!;)[/quote']

 

So saying you need to rely on evidence or facts before making up your mind, as i did with wmd's in iraq, because i saw tangible evidence makes me a hypocrite because i called you out on belieing something with NO evidence AND NOTHING tangible...you're a moron

 

maybe you dont understand simple words? that could be the problem

 

evidence

 

1 a : an outward sign : INDICATION b : something that furnishes proof : TESTIMONY; specifically : something legally submitted to a tribunal to ascertain the truth of a matter

2 : one who bears witness; especially : one who voluntarily confesses a crime and testifies for the prosecution against his accomplices

 

tangible

 

1 a : capable of being perceived especially by the sense of touch : PALPABLE b : substantially real : MATERIAL

 

 

I said not to believe it as fact if it you dont have facts or evidence, i had tangible evidence before i formulated my opinion, as where YOU had none, just HEARSAY

 

Hearsay

 

Function: noun

1 : RUMOR

2 : HEARSAY EVIDENCE

 

 

so i called you out on not having evidence, so how am i a hypocrite when i had evidence when i believed in wmd's? hahaha

So saying you need to rely on evidence or facts before making up your mind, as i did with wmd's in iraq, because i saw tangible evidence makes me a hypocrite because i called you out on belieing something with NO evidence AND NOTHING tangible...you're a moron

 

maybe you dont understand simple words? that could be the problem

 

evidence

 

1 a : an outward sign : INDICATION b : something that furnishes proof : TESTIMONY; specifically : something legally submitted to a tribunal to ascertain the truth of a matter

2 : one who bears witness; especially : one who voluntarily confesses a crime and testifies for the prosecution against his accomplices

 

tangible

 

1 a : capable of being perceived especially by the sense of touch : PALPABLE b : substantially real : MATERIAL

 

 

I said not to believe it as fact if it you dont have facts or evidence, i had tangible evidence before i formulated my opinion, as where YOU had none, just HEARSAY

 

Hearsay

 

Function: noun

1 : RUMOR

2 : HEARSAY EVIDENCE

 

 

so i called you out on not having evidence, so how am i a hypocrite when i had evidence when i believed in wmd's? hahaha

 

Spouting definitions doesn't prove a thing. The fact is that you believed government "rumours" presented as "evidence", which proved to be unfounded.

Therefore you should take your medicine.:rolleyes:

Spouting definitions doesn't prove a thing. The fact is that you believed government "rumours" presented as "evidence", which proved to be unfounded.

Therefore you should take your medicine.:rolleyes:

 

You're right, then ill just say some hearsay and that'll be enough for you.

 

For me to be a hypocrite i would have had to believe the wmd story based on one mans hearsay, but in fact i based it on tangible evidence, thus not the same.

 

 

If your incapable of simple reason, dont take it out on me. You rely on hearsay as facts, and when someone rely's on evidence to formulate an opinion you call them a hypocrite.

 

So we have you basing your opinions on hearsay without facts or any evidence and me, based my belief on lots of tangible evidence.

 

Rumor

 

1 : talk or opinion widely disseminated with no discernible source

2 : a statement or report current without known authority for its truth

3 archaic : talk or report of a notable person or event

4 : a soft low indistinct sound : MURMUR

 

the whole wmd really was not a rumor seeing how at the time it had alot of credible evidence to back it up, not just people saying one thing. so learn what the words mean BEFORE you use them, or shut the fuck up. You have shamed yourself again. But i dont mind, it gives me a good laugh

You're right, then ill just say some hearsay and that'll be enough for you.

 

For me to be a hypocrite i would have had to believe the wmd story based on one mans hearsay, but in fact i based it on tangible evidence, thus not the same.

 

 

If your incapable of simple reason, dont take it out on me. You rely on hearsay as facts, and when someone rely's on evidence to formulate an opinion you call them a hypocrite.

 

So we have you basing your opinions on hearsay without facts or any evidence and me, based my belief on lots of tangible evidence.

 

Rumor

 

1 : talk or opinion widely disseminated with no discernible source

2 : a statement or report current without known authority for its truth

3 archaic : talk or report of a notable person or event

4 : a soft low indistinct sound : MURMUR

 

the whole wmd really was not a rumor seeing how at the time it had alot of credible evidence to back it up, not just people saying one thing. so learn what the words mean BEFORE you use them, or shut the fuck up. You have shamed yourself again. But i dont mind, it gives me a good laugh

 

Well in that case, all you're doing is laughing at yourself, because you're being completely ridiculous as usual.

You appear to be the only person who doesn't realise he was made to look a fool by fabricated government/CIA rumour masquerading as "evidence".:rolleyes:

Therefore you are indeed a hypocrite.;)

Well in that case, all you're doing is laughing at yourself, because you're being completely ridiculous as usual.

You appear to be the only person who doesn't realise he was made to look a fool by fabricated government/CIA rumour masquerading as "evidence".:rolleyes:

Therefore you are indeed a hypocrite.;)

 

I believed TANGIBLE evidence, in rare cases it is wrong. Nothing foolish about following logic and evidence. What is a foolish if believe in one persons hear say and then not understanding what a hypocrite is.:laugh3:

 

Please explain to me how im a hypocrite? i dont think you even know that word

 

for me to be one on this issue, i'd have to have taken just bush's word as fact, but i took many nations intelligence agencies words along with many pictures....pictures are TANGIBLE. So i didnt do what you did at all. I believed tangible evidence as you believed one guys hearsay.

 

So if you did understand what a hypocrite is, you'd shut up.

 

So you took one dudes word as fact, where i took hundreds of people who had tangible evidence as fact....not even in the same ball park you fucking moron:laugh3: :dozey: