THIS is why the Iraqi's hate us. Again, absolutely disgusting.

[GazeboflossUK]

That beating video from February.....which shames our troops, as well as our county.

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2348133041403172295&sourceid=docidfeed&hl=undefined

 

I've never actually seen all this until now....the above video is yet another example of the sickening way some troops act in Iraq.

Notice, nobody stops the troops and the army camera man is just plain fucking evil, sick and demented

And it's British troops here this time....they punch, beat and kick Iraqi children as they plead for the troops to stop. That sadistic camera films all the brutal scenes of torture while laughing, screaming, growling and frothing like a serial killer filming a kind of snuff movie.

 

'Iraqi children throw rocks as they flee from running British troops, are grabbed, brought inside a gate and beaten half to death. The censorship spies at You Tube rejected it 2 minutes after. Then being re-named "Fluffy Happy Poodles In Heaven," to try and bypass their keyword filters and it was still rejected. It was blocked for "terms of use violation."

 

"Oh yes! Oh Yes! You're gonna get it!" snarls the cameraman.

 

"Yes! Naughty little boys."

 

He laughs as they boys begin to scream out in pain, "Yes!"

 

Listen to the guy act like the devil as he gets off on what he is seeing.

 

He mocks the cries of pain from the boys, "No please don't hurt me," laughs again and then proceeds to begin frothing in some kind of insane carnal bloodlust, "Motherfuckers, you little fuckers - die!"

 

Adult Iraqis are brought in and similarly assaulted - the video ends here.

 

A probe of this video led to the arrest of the cameraman, Cpl Martin Webster, but after that the investgation seemingly went nowhere and was swept under the rug.

 

Originally leaked in February this year, this is just the latest in a long line of "trophy videos" that expose the true face of what the troops have been trained and ordered to do in Iraq, dominate, brutalize and enslave the population - and it's why nearly 3,000 have come home in flag-draped coffins.

 

This is why the Iraqis hate us.

 

'No one is suggesting that U.S. troops should roll over like a poodle if someone is shooting at them - they have every right to shoot back no matter what your view on the war is. The rubicon is crossed when petty thieves, children who throw rocks or completely innocent people are brutalized without recourse and the one thing that betrays the true nature of it all is the sadistic reaction of the protagonists who enjoy the torture, the beatings and the death.

 

The assumption that Iraq is now liberated and that its people have suffered for the glorious opportunity of seeing democracy and freedom flourish throughout their country is the last thread the Neo-Cons are hanging onto as claims of weapons of mass destruction and Al-Qaeda ties evaporated long ago. Yet to claim Iraq is liberated is the most absurd of any of the justifications for going to war or "staying the course."

 

'This is why the Iraqis hate us.'

 

I guess the Iraqi children should feel lucky in that they got their retaliation in first by throwing rocks.....many are simply arrested hooded and taken to the torture camp for refusing to show ID at checkpoints.'

 

It's good to see that the authorities are not complete hypocrites and that the same kind of torture by authority figures happens at home in our countries, as I posted yesterday - Mostafa Tabatabainejad can attest to, the student was tortured for refusing to show his ID to UCLA police in a campus library.

 

The fun will continue when the same kind of barbarous fiends who get orgasmic pleasure from watching children being tortured come back home and become our police.

 

THIS IS WHY THE IRAQI'S HATE US!!!

[General Smut]

Yea its wrong, but then so's sensational articles like this that do nothing but point fingers and give people wrong ideas about whats really going on.

 

Theres over 250,000 allied troops in Iraq - and yet your suprised to find some bad people in there.

 

What you've just wrote is an insult to the thousands of British troops who are in Iraq to help people not beat them up.

 

And why blame videogames as well?

[GazeboflossUK]

What you've just wrote is an insult to the thousands of British troops who are in Iraq to help people not beat them up.

 

You know what..I don't normally say this but....why don't you just fuck off somewhere else and make your silly little comments (like that above) somewhere else?

 

I'm not suprised this stuff happens, yet you say I am.

 

Stop playing the "insult to the troops" card. Because that's not the case you dick.

 

/insults & swearing for the day is over.

 

^ my anger doesn't take away from the issue at hand.

[General Smut]

I'm not the one claiming British troops have been "ordered to dominate, brutalize and enslave the population"

 

Why dont you go and fuck off?

[GazeboflossUK]

Why dont you go and fuck off?

 

I already do, regularly.

[Matter-Eater Lad]

Again you take a once ina while thing that is not the norm or common practice and try to make the weak believe its the norm and very common. What is almost as sick as what happened is you trying to change the facts with your propaganda. Youre worse then the government

[GazeboflossUK]

:)

[Matter-Eater Lad]

Good we agree.

[anniep_93]

American troops disgust me.

[Matter-Eater Lad]

American troops disgust me.

 

Yeah lets hold the actions of a few over a couple million....:rolleyes:

 

people like that DISGUST ME. Dont judge a whole by a few. Thats what Racist do, fascist, and other horrible people do

[GazeboflossUK]

American troops disgust me.

 

:) << apparenty this means I agree, I think. (Although it's not all the troops, a select few)

[Matter-Eater Lad]

:) << apparenty this means I agree' date=' I think. (Although it's not all the troops)[/quote']

 

Its a very small group. The majority are good people who dont commit crimes.

EVERY group has some bad in it. Every race, religion, ethnic group....its a fact of life, but never judge the whole by the few.

 

It pisses me off, people who do this, people judge islam based on a few terrorist or christians based on a few preachers who rape kids, or black people because a few commited a crime, its just plain stupid.

[GazeboflossUK]

I really don't need you to tell me this.....already know all that....I would assume most people with a decent mind already make this assumption upon hearing such information.

 

But when it gets to a stage when these acts become more common, like alot of them are, I think making a bit of noise about it is acceptable.

[Matter-Eater Lad]

I really don't need you to tell me this.....already know all that....I would assume most people with a decent mind already make this assumption upon hearing such information.

 

But when it gets to a stage when these acts become more common, like alot of them are, I think making a bit of noise about it is acceptable.

 

Making noise is your duty about things like this, but judging a whole group because of the actions of a few is stupid and wrong. and trying to act like its the norm and common is just as wrong and stupid

[GazeboflossUK]

But I'm not saying it's the "norm".....I'm saying there's an increase in the abuse of power and it is becoming more common. I'm not saying it's happening every hour of the day but there's an raise and I don't like it.

 

It's that simple. I'm really not trying to make everyone think ALL police or ALL our troops are abusing their position....only that it is going on and unless we show people it's happening when it does, there will be more and more cases...even by the same people who think they are getting away with it.....

 

...so that's the whole reason.

[brandon313]

anniep_93 these are british troops. And i have to agree with Nick, on a couple points. 1) there is bound to be things like this happening by ANY army facing hostiles (doesnt matter who they are). and nobody is above it. If you believe your country isnt guilty of such atrocities, then you just dont know about it.

2) you cant judge all american/british troops because a few troops beat some guys up...i mean look at what those guys are facing! they have to live there knowing that everyone they see on the streets could be hiding an AK-47 and waiting to attack, every building they go by they could be attacked by an RPG, and every road they travel on could be wired with an IED.

 

Im not saying that waht these men did was right, far from it, and as you all probably know, i am a staunch anti war activist, but i do believe that saying all american troops are bad because of things like this is a little overkill

[Matter-Eater Lad]

anniep_93 these are british troops. And i have to agree with Nick, on a couple points. 1) there is bound to be things like this happening by ANY army facing hostiles (doesnt matter who they are). and nobody is above it. If you believe your country isnt guilty of such atrocities, then you just dont know about it.

2) you cant judge all american/british troops because a few troops beat some guys up...i mean look at what those guys are facing! they have to live there knowing that everyone they see on the streets could be hiding an AK-47 and waiting to attack, every building they go by they could be attacked by an RPG, and every road they travel on could be wired with an IED.

 

Im not saying that waht these men did was right, far from it, and as you all probably know, i am a staunch anti war activist, but i do believe that saying all american troops are bad because of things like this is a little overkill

 

Thank you.

[General Smut]

I really don't need you to tell me this.....already know all that....I would assume most people with a decent mind already make this assumption upon hearing such information.

 

But when it gets to a stage when these acts become more common, like alot of them are, I think making a bit of noise about it is acceptable.

 

You said that British troops are "ordered to dominate, brutalize and enslave the population"

[GazeboflossUK]

Well, I think there's a problem with the way they are trained.

We all know troops in the army are vigerously pumped into killing machines.

I know pretty much exactly the training from a couple of people I know and it's horrifying - something I could never go through.

They basically force feed them a constant barrage of information, over and over until they can't even begin to question any moral issues.

One of my friends, a girl, said that she sometimes used to wake up from a dream shouting - she was actually killing people in her sleep.

 

So, it's not as if I just say these things.

 

Although I do know it's not ALL the troops, I'll make this clear again, but it is a growing number by all reports. Just look at the extent of the Abu-Ghraib scandal....that involved some high profile positions, yet most seemingly escaped court martial.

 

But..I already assume it's not all...but it's growing and making an issue of it helps. Imagine if all those at Abu-Ghraib managed to hide what they were doing? would they have done similar things since? who knows for sure.

[General Smut]

I've known several people who used to be in the army - I can only describe them as lovely people.

 

Ive dreamt about killing people - does that mean i too am a Killing Machine?

[GazeboflossUK]

I've known several people who used to be in the army - I can only describe them as lovely people.

 

Ive dreamt about killing people - does that mean i too am a Killing Machine?

 

Hey, my freinds are lovely people too...I'll make that clear too.

 

And I bet you never dream about killing people in exactly the same way really. They way she described it to me was very saddening. It was real horror.

[General Smut]

And thats all down to the army training then?

[GazeboflossUK]

And thats all down to the army training then?

 

Well, what she described, along with some other bits of things I have been told by my other friend (he didn't talk about it as much)....there seems to be some pretty intense practices during their training as well as while depolyed in the field.

 

Since I've moved, I actually don't get to see the two people I'm talking about anymore....but it was all very interesting stuff. Things you would never hear about unless you do speak to friends like this "off the record"

[Ergf]

Well, I think there's a problem with the way they are trained.

We all know troops in the army are vigerously pumped into killing machines.

I know pretty much exactly the training from a couple of people I know and it's horrifying - something I could never go through.

They basically force feed them a constant barrage of information, over and over until they can't even begin to question any moral issues.

One of my friends, a girl, said that she sometimes used to wake up from a dream shouting - she was actually killing people in her sleep.

 

So, it's not as if I just say these things.

 

Although I do know it's not ALL the troops, I'll make this clear again, but it is a growing number by all reports. Just look at the extent of the Abu-Ghraib scandal....that involved some high profile positions, yet most seemingly escaped court martial.

 

But..I already assume it's not all...but it's growing and making an issue of it helps. Imagine if all those at Abu-Ghraib managed to hide what they were doing? would they have done similar things since? who knows for sure.

 

I'm in the army myself. I've got to say that on some points you're right. Eventually we're supposed to be killing machines, and we will be. But don't think that we live for killing, the army from these days is more for peace-keeping than for anything else. But if people shoot us ... no matter who ... we'll have to shoot back, not thinking of the people you're shooting. That's why they put targets on training that looks as much like a real man as possible. To make the soldier think that he's still on training when he's actually shooting human beings. There are many other ways to make us think that. But I won't explain them all here.

 

What these guys did is wrong. Nobody will disagree with that, even those guys know that that they're wrong, and don't underestimate the punish that they got. These guys are just under so much pressure. They know, as mrcool011 and brandon313 said, that they could get killed every minute. The things they do and see there (what none of the american civilians will ever see) is horrible, it creates scars in their mind which will never go away. Some guys can't handle that and start beating up random people. They should be removed from the army.

[Black Rose]

Really, if you think this is the worst that the soldiers get up to in Iraq, than your very much mistaken.

 

It's the worst that has been leaked to the media, but you should see some of the videos going around the DII network. They make you feel sick.